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2015/04/02 12:47:55 (permalink)
Tl;dr version: when the target temp(factory default) is 75C the card dies, when I manually force it to 70c (and unlink power target leaving it at 100% in precisionx) the card runs fine.
 
I'll try to keep it short.
Background: I work at a pc store and we just built a new pc with a 970 and video on it keeps dying.
 
Here is how it dies, Running unigine Heaven benchmark or furmark for more than 5minutes causes the video signal to the monitor to completely go away and monitor goes to standby. 
I still hear sound from the machine and can shut it down with the keyboard. After a shutdown the video is restored and working, doing a reset does NOT restore video.
 
I tested the card in another computer with the exact same result, at first I thought it was a defective card and we ordered a second identical one with the same result.
After this I tried setting the target temp down and now both cards work fine in both computers with the lower target temp. If i set the target temp back up to 75 both cards fail in both computers again. I can even do it back to back, run the benchmark 3 times at 70C with no issue, alt-tab and set temp to 75 and the card dies on the very next run in less than 5mins.
 
Can anyone else try this and let me know what they see?
I find it 100% impossible that both brand new cards do the exact same things in two completely different computers and the "fix" is as simple as setting the target temp down to 70c. 
75c is far from really hot in the first place but I have the evidence right here and I can reproduce it with 100% reliability.
Also why do I not see any other posts online with similar issues.. I'm stumped.
 
Also our supplier refuses to even look into the issue and tells me to contact EVGA directly.
 
Specs & stuff:
Using the latest Nvidia drivers: 347.88
 
New computer:
Operating System: Windows 8.1 64-bit
CPU:Intel Core i7 4790K @ 4.00GHz 33 °C
RAM: 16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 934MHz (10-11-10-30) (kingston hyperX 1866)
Motherboard: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. MAXIMUS VII HERO (SOCKET 1150) 28 °C
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 (EVGA) 35 °C (model: 04G-P4-2972-b6)
Monitor VE228 (1920x1080@60Hz)
Storage: 465GB Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB (SSD) 27 °C
Optical Drives: HL-DT-ST BDDVDRW CH12NS30
EVGA 850 bronze PSU
 
My other test machine thats about 1 year old and in use every day all day long:
Operating System: Windows 8.1 64-bit
CPU: Intel Core i7 3770 @ 3.40GHz 43 °C
RAM: 16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 665MHz (9-9-9-24)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Z77M-D3H-MVP (Intel Core i7-3770 CPU @ 3.40GHz) 28 °C
Graphics: 4095MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 (EVGA) 40 °C
Storage: 931GB Western Digital WDC WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0 (SATA) 32 °C
Optical Drives: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH24NS90
Thermaltake TR2 600w PSU
 
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    lipe123
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    Re: GTX 970 lose video signal during benchmarks 2015/04/05 08:34:28 (permalink)
    :( Not a single response?
     
    For some reason I can't open support tickets without first registering the cards?
    Can someone tell me how to get support for this, since the cards are owned by no one at this stage I cannot register it to myself since they are going to be sold eventually.
     

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    Re: GTX 970 lose video signal during benchmarks 2015/04/05 10:54:24 (permalink)
    You can register the card now and whoever buys it can also register it with the warranty transfering over. But the 3 year warranty would start immediately when you registered the product possibly being an issue if the card stays in your stock. (Whoever holds the card at the time has the warranty as long as the serial number is on the card still)

    To get to your issue, you need to obviously keep your BIOS updated if it is not. Secondly, seeing as both cards export emcee the same issue, it may be a BIOS setting which may make it ideal to reset the BIOS/CMOS. Lastly, when the card heats up, this means the card is using more watts leading to a possible PSU issue. You mention your work at a computer store so you could easily use or buy a PSU error reader (plugs into back and gives a report back). Other than that, if you have not tried calling EVGA, I would try that and you do not need to have the card registered to do that. However, you usually still need the cards serial number if you do call.

    Good luck, hopefully you find the issue or maybe someone knows more on the issue.

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    Re: GTX 970 lose video signal during benchmarks 2015/04/05 12:05:54 (permalink)
    1. Uninstall Precision X/Afterburner if installed, make sure to select "no" to saving profiles if asked.  Reboot the PC now if you had to uninstall PX or Afterburner.
    2. Download & save graphics driver 347.88 to your desktop. Run the graphics installer located on your desktop once the download is complete. 
    3. Select custom advanced install, under custom installation options uncheck all options except the physx system software, if you have a 3D capable monitor and would like to use 3D at some point please select both 3D options, check mark perform clean install, then click next to install the driver, reboot when asked.
    4. Run unigine heaven 4.0. Does the PC still lose signal?
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    Re: GTX 970 lose video signal during benchmarks 2015/04/05 12:20:49 (permalink)
    @bsmegreg:
    BIOS in both machines are on the latest version.
    Two different motherboards, different processor generations, different PSU's same result.
     
    @Sajin:
    The new machine was a build from scratch with no OS or drivers installed. I did not install afterburner or precisionX or anything similar for the initial test, using only the driver windows update downloaded it died.
    Then downloaded 347.88 drivers(as stated in my OP) and installed only the drivers no other software and same issue.
    Only *after* I installed PrecisionX and lowered the temp target out of desperation did the issue go away.
     
    So no one else can reproduce this? I just can't believe that I'd have two cards on two machines with the exact same behavior and no one else has it happening.
    Also I did play a game on the machine (Cities: Skylines) for about 15 minutes with no crashes with the temp target at the default 75, it only really happens under load - which still isn't supposed to happen.
     
    I was hoping to uncover a similar situation for others that they were no aware of but I guess I'll have to contact EVGA support directly.
     
    Ps. I also had a reference design 970 that I tested in the new machine without issue even though it's target temp is WAY hotter than the 2 fan design ones.

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    Re: GTX 970 lose video signal during benchmarks 2015/04/05 13:01:37 (permalink)
    I don't think I ever installed a windows driver for the card.... Maybe that's conflicting with it?

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    Re: GTX 970 lose video signal during benchmarks 2015/04/05 13:05:38 (permalink)
    You don't have a choice, its done in seconds after the OS is installed and no it doesn't interfere with anything because windows installs the last WHQL version of the nvidia drivers not some random one.
     
    Also everyone keeps ignoring the obvious facts that simply by making a temp change everything works, how can that be the drivers fault or the OS or the BIOS or the rest of the computer in any way shape or form (other than the psu, which is brand new and way more powerful than required and another separate computer all together.)

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    Re: GTX 970 lose video signal during benchmarks 2015/04/25 15:23:20 (permalink)
    I've been experiencing the same issues as you. I bought a GTX 970 ACX2.0 on TigerDirect last week and while playing non-intensive games like Ultra Street fighter 4 I've gotten black screens occasionally while in a match. I'm trying your solution by unlinking power target and playing with the GPU temp target. I will report back my findings, I've been reading about this issue on other forums as well so hopefully it's just a software bug and nothing serious so I don't have to RMA my brand new video card.
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    Re: GTX 970 lose video signal during benchmarks 2015/04/25 15:32:42 (permalink)
    My end results was after benching the card like a maniac for 2 days the black screen issue just went away by itself.
     
    Still the temp target thing did seem to help until I got to the point when the card just worked.

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    Re: GTX 970 lose video signal during benchmarks 2015/04/26 02:12:46 (permalink)
    Welcome to the EVGA GTX 970 club where cards, especially the older like 2974 have a habit to just black screen and reboot your machine, ESPECIALLY in Heaven Benchmark and then of course should you decide to do some serious overclocking.
     
    I have seen about 900 different opinions on this topic and potential "solutions", from "change your PSU" to "must be a BIOS setting"...and I tell you I am very sure it's a problem with the cards itself. Before you go NUTS benchmarking and your card crashing out and you look for solutions, RMA the card and hope the next one wont have the problem. I am on my second 2974 now, the FIRST one black screened in Heaven at stock at 110% power target, THIS one is better but black screens when you heavily overclock. Those cards (2974s) have poor components and a ridiculous bad cooler in addition...the black screens are a result of this.
     
    I strongly believe that all 2974 (SC ACX2.0) have this problem, some at lower, even stock clocks, some are more tolerant and you can overclock them and they only blacks screen at high clocks like 1450++.
     
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    Let's assume that what some people (including you) say is true that keeping the cards very cool, say 70C max would prevent this...the fact that the ACX2.0 is really, really poor and loud does NOT help me in the slightest. So keeping the card at 70C for me would mean unbearable loud noise, like 55%-60% fan or so. I could as well put a 777 in my room with running engines :)
    post edited by flexy123 - 2015/04/26 02:19:09
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    Re: GTX 970 lose video signal during benchmarks 2015/04/26 09:29:48 (permalink)
    I can't speak to your experiences but the two cards I was was insanely quiet and cool. The fans didn't even turn on until about 1minute into benchmarking and when they did come on the fan speed was at like 40% to keep the cards at target temp.
    So calling the acx cards loud and hot is just nonsense, also I did have two cards but their serial numbers was only 1 apart so I figured it must be from the same batch.
     
    Anyway I'm just kinda glad to see there is others with similar issues, maybe there will be a driver/firmware fix for it. When I initially encountered the problem I couldn't find a single post anywhere with the same issue.

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    Re: GTX 970 lose video signal during benchmarks 2015/04/26 09:55:53 (permalink)
    Lipe123, for the average user the cards are "ok". I am talking about stock clocks and max boost, say 1367 or 1380, depending on your GPU. (Out of the box the cards won't even hold their max boost since they sure will throttle in demanding games so they'll likely not even hold those clocks for long). But for an "enthusiast", those cards are, hm, let's say, less than optimal. Notice the enormous increase in noise...say...setting the fan level from, 38% to...42%?
     
    The fan for instance is "fine" up to max. 38% , it does a decent job cooling at your STOCK clocks. But this is exactly how far it goes. Because just 5% more make the fan crazy loud...and then it still cannot cope with temps, despite the noise. And this is how I rate a cooler, how well it cools and how loud it is when I would NEED cooling performance. EVGA knows that Enthusiasts, many people who spend €350++ on a card are often overclocking, be it only 100 or 150 more. But this cooler and the card itself has no headroom there whatsoever. "Whatsoever" as in...thermally limited because of crappy cooler, noise levels, power limit, power phases etc...NOT an enthusiast card by a long-shot.
     
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    Re: GTX 970 lose video signal during benchmarks 2015/04/26 10:06:40 (permalink)
    so this issue is commonplace? i've recently bought the 970 (ftw version) and i keep getting blackscreens and restarts when my card heats up for extended amounts of time. What exactly did you do to solve it?
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    Re: GTX 970 lose video signal during benchmarks 2015/04/26 13:25:04 (permalink)
    li80223
    so this issue is commonplace? i've recently bought the 970 (ftw version) and i keep getting blackscreens and restarts when my card heats up for extended amounts of time. What exactly did you do to solve it?




    Install precision X and set temp target to 70C, see if that helps.

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    Re: GTX 970 lose video signal during benchmarks 2015/04/26 14:28:29 (permalink)
    Issue still persists, and although i'm unsure i think it took one minute longer than usual for screen to black out.
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    Re: GTX 970 lose video signal during benchmarks 2015/04/28 18:18:27 (permalink)
    I had same issue with my radeon hd5770. Just changed the GPU cooler fan and it was fine. To me this issue is related to cooling solution for the card which is crappy.
    Waiting for my gtx 970 to arrive.
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    Re: GTX 970 lose video signal during benchmarks 2015/04/29 19:03:36 (permalink)
    lipe123
     
    Install precision X and set temp target to 70C, see if that helps.




    I was having similar issues with my GTX 970 SSC ACX 2.0 but only during overclocking. Unlinking the Target Temp and setting to 70C helped but didn't solve the issue completely. After hours of benching Unigine Valley and slowing incrementing the GPU clock only, I got to the point where anything over+70 would crash the driver during Unigine Valley bench. It was't until I enabled K-Boost that I could extend well beyond +70. After researching K-boost, it made perfect sense this would solve the driver crashing issue.
     
    Enabling K-Boost allows the GPU's clock speeds and GPU voltage to run at their highest set frequencies all of the time. K-Boost disables all of the power saving features that current video cards use to aid with lower temperatures and lower power consumption. The major benefit of K-Boost is to help remove the sudden drops in voltage and clock speeds that happen dynamically when stressing video cards. Removing these can reduce performance inconsistencies and instabilities when overclocking.
     
    So in my case, when K-boost was disabled the voltage and core would spike when starting Unigine Valley. This large swing from zero or base clock speeds would cause the driver to crash. By enabling K-boost the swing is much less allowing the driver and GPU to "ease" into the OC settings.
     
    Final OC settings (Stable):
    110% Power Target
    72C GPU Temp Target (Thanks lipe123)
    +88 GPU Clock Offset (I was able to push +100 but found it to be very unstable)
    +455 Memory Clock Offset (I was able to push to +610 but lots of artifacts)
    +37mv OverVoltage (I found raising the voltage would help stabilize the OC if the driver crashed)
    K-Boost: enabled
     
    I hope this helps.
     
     
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    Re: GTX 970 lose video signal during benchmarks 2015/05/03 02:15:08 (permalink)
    I got rid of my 960's because oc'ing them in sli was a pain. I bought the Best Buy version(04G-P4-3979-KB) today. Overclocking with the stock bios was difficult to say the least. I have a 900W PSU and setting the power limit 110% and voltage to +87mv yielded sad results. I was however able to achieve 1494Mhz core and 8000Mhz memory, but throttling at 1.178V. The core clock would jump from idle to 1494>1418>1367 and voltage would jump from 1.178-1.210V @ 68C and would crash Fire Strike and Sky Diver during the demos and go to black screen w/no way to fix it besides hard reset. Or they would crash to the desktop and cause the driver to crash and recover. I just said screw it and pulled the bios and modded it myself, plus set up a custom fan curve so the card would not overheat. All the crashing and black screens went away. I used 350.05 and 9.14.0702 PhysX. I hope this helps others trying to overclcok their EVGA GTX 970 SSC ACX 2.0's.

     


    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/6840661
    and a copy of the bios for those that want to copy the settings to their own original bios.
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    Re: GTX 970 lose video signal during benchmarks 2015/05/03 04:41:26 (permalink)
    Is their not a different support chain for resellers?
    Also for a reseller that is putting together a computer with a ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. MAXIMUS VII HERO Motherboard would you not also install the ASUS GTX 970 like the STRIX-GTX970-DC2OC-4GD5 Graphics Card?
    I think mixing different brand components in a custom computer for a reseller is odd.
    Unless your customs can ask for the components by Make and Model of what they want installed.
    Still if your company needs to come here for support I hope you find your solution.
    lipe123, Being that the Motherboard is from ASUS have you asked them the same question?
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    Re: GTX 970 lose video signal during benchmarks 2015/05/04 08:39:02 (permalink)
    Typically a black screen while the system continues to run can be attributed to a driver hiccup, a bad display connection, or unsteady power. Just to be clear lipe123, can you confirm that the issue is cleared up and you don't need to set the temperature target now for the card to run stable? I've seen that happen before when Windows is missing an update, then finally updates a couple days later. It wouldn't hurt to check the 12v rail in the BIOS and make sure it's in spec and not fluctuating often or with a large variance. If it's unstable in BIOS, it'll usually be worse under load, which can only reliably be tested with a multimeter.
     
    li80223, restarts would indicate a power issue, I'd suggest checking your power supply's 12v rail in the BIOS too just to be sure. Is your build a new build, or just a graphics card upgrade? If just an upgrade, you may want to go through with Display Driver Uninstaller and clean the drivers out, then reinstall them. Feel free to contact us 24/7 for further troubleshooting if you need.

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    Re: GTX 970 lose video signal during benchmarks 2015/05/04 08:44:43 (permalink)
    Hi Everyone,
     
    I would first like to say welcome to the forums to some of the newer posters in this thread.
     
    I can confirm that the screen blacking out can be caused by a number of different causes from system stability to heat (over 98C for the 970) and we are here to help. Please call or email our support using the information included below and we will do our best to assist you with finding a solution.
     
     Please keep in mind that you may email EVGA support at Support@EVGA.com or call support 24 hours at 1-888-881-3842 option 1, if support is needed.



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    Re: GTX 970 lose video signal during benchmarks 2015/08/09 17:14:36 (permalink)
    I know it's been awhile since this thread was started, but I just purchased the 3975 (SSC) edition card and am seeing the same thing.  With the stock cooler settings, the card will not make it through any of the 3Dmark benchmarks I tried at all.  The only way to get it to make it through was to adjust the fan profile also.  I started with the 'aggressive' fan profile which causes a little more noise in the case, but it makes it through the benchmarks now.  Funny thing is that I just purchased a 1KW EVGA PSU also because I thought my old 750W PC Power & Cooling PSU may have been causing issues with my 7970 Ghz Edition (it wasn't; the card just ate it).
     
    Anyway, I think I'm going to RMA this with Newegg, but I thought it worth mentioning here that it may not be uncommon (happened to me too), and contrary to Chris's info above, it happens to me well before the card hits 98C.  The default profile has the fan at 100% at 80C I believe, and the fan speed isn't over 35% or so when the benchmark causes the driver crash.
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