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I can't find any info, but has the 4GB issue been addressed and fixed on newer gtx 970s?
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/25 09:42:15
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I do not think it was ever broken to begin with, NVIDIA misstated the Specification when it was released. But this Question would be best asked over on NVIDIA's Web Site.
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/25 09:47:06
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Nothing has changed, to be direct.
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/25 09:53:00
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I thought I read somewhere some manufacturers fixed the issue.
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/25 10:01:17
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I'm just not sure about all the hype over this? I was playing AC Unity yesterday and was sitting between ~3840 - 3980 Vram usage and did not notice any issue's. Not to say there isn't a difference between how the 4Gb of Vram functions (3.5 + .5) on the 970's compared to the 980's (straight 4gb) but, I saw no type of issue.
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/25 10:03:15
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bdary I'm just not sure about all the hype over this? I was playing AC Unity yesterday and was sitting between ~3840 - 3980 Vram usage and did not notice any issue's. Not to say there isn't a difference between how the 4Gb of Vram functions (3.5 + .5) on the 970's compared to the 980's (straight 4gb) but, I saw no type of issue.
The main issue I keep seeing was a frame drop when it starts using that .5 then it equalizes out.
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/25 10:11:57
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bdary I'm just not sure about all the hype over this? I was playing AC Unity yesterday and was sitting between ~3840 - 3980 Vram usage and did not notice any issue's. Not to say there isn't a difference between how the 4Gb of Vram functions (3.5 + .5) on the 970's compared to the 980's (straight 4gb) but, I saw no type of issue.
The main issue I keep seeing was a frame drop when it starts using that .5 then it equalizes out.
I may have noticed a quick dip in FPS as the Vram crossed over the 3.5GB mark, but the Vram usage after that stayed over 3.5 & I saw no problems. I say "I may have noticed" this, but until I play some more and pay closer attention, it could have just been ACU which is quite buggy anyway. I just got these 970's installed a couple days ago, so I'm just beginning to do some game testing now that I'm finished with benching them...
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/25 10:24:34
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the problem isn't it's not able to use more then 3.5GB it's that after a certain point it stutters
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/25 10:27:23
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There's still a lawsuit in court so they cannot discuss anything regarding the cards issue. I highly doubt they changed the card because that would make them look more guilty. You have to remember that if NVIDEA says anything then that can be used in court and if EVGA staff says anything that could also be used in court which wouldn't be good for EVGA.
However, it's arguable that there never was an issue to begin with. But there is undoubtedly a strange configuration for the extra .5gb on the cards but how much that effects anything is arguable.
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/25 10:30:06
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MrImSoGood the problem isn't it's not able to use more then 3.5GB it's that after a certain point it stutters
That's what I'm saying in post #5. For a good 2 hours of playing ACU and running between 3.8 & 4.0GB vram, I didn't experience and stuttering. Could be because of Gsync, don't know.
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/25 10:30:37
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bsmegreg There's still a lawsuit in court so they cannot discuss anything regarding the cards issue. I highly doubt they changed the card because that would make them look more guilty. You have to remember that if NVIDIA says anything then that can be used in court and if EVGA staff says anything that could also be used in court which wouldn't be good for EVGA.
However, it's arguable that there never was an issue to begin with. But there is undoubtedly a strange configuration for the extra .5gb on the cards but how much that effects anything is arguable.
There was/is an issue to being with and that was/is using all 4GB of vram cause the performance to drop sharply and even in some cases actually cause the game/program to crash
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/25 10:32:13
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Nothing has changed. No manufacturers "fixed" something that would require changing the architecture of the card. They have to follow the core and memory architecture Nvidia puts out.
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/25 10:33:20
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MrImSoGood the problem isn't it's not able to use more then 3.5GB it's that after a certain point it stutters
That's what I'm saying in post #5. For a good 2 hours of playing ACU and running between 3.8 & 4.0GB vram, I didn't experience and stuttering. Could be because of Gsync, don't know.
Might be I don't have a G-sync monitor so I can't test anything out but in certain games with certain settings at certain moments the card will "dump" it's memory after hitting 3.5+GB
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/25 10:38:44
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bsmegreg There's still a lawsuit in court so they cannot discuss anything regarding the cards issue. I highly doubt they changed the card because that would make them look more guilty. You have to remember that if NVIDIA says anything then that can be used in court and if EVGA staff says anything that could also be used in court which wouldn't be good for EVGA.
However, it's arguable that there never was an issue to begin with. But there is undoubtedly a strange configuration for the extra .5gb on the cards but how much that effects anything is arguable.
There was/is an issue to being with and that was/is using all 4GB of vram cause the performance to drop sharply and even in some cases actually cause the game/program to crash
I can only go by what my personal experience has been so far. And so far I'm pretty impressed with these 970 SSC's for my uses. Even when well over the 3.5GB vram mark.
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/25 10:52:22
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The point remains the same: they didn't fix it because of a civil court case regarding the issue. If you're getting sued by someone for false advertising, you don't change the description/product or take it off the shelf because if you do, you just admitted guilt. And if you admit guilt then there is nothing to be in court for and you already lost (lost a lot of money). Long story short, they will not change the product or admit guilt on any level that way there is a possibility that they can win the court case. But they did say this http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2015/02/24/gtx-970/ but that wasn't admitting guilt and I can only imagine how meany lawyers it took to write that.
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/25 11:00:40
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bsmegreg The point remains the same: they didn't fix it because of a civil court case regarding the issue. If you're getting sued by someone for false advertising, you don't change the description/product or take it off the shelf because if you do, you just admitted guilt. And if you admit guilt then there is nothing to be in court for and you already lost (lost a lot of money). Long story short, they will not change the product or admit guilt on any level that way there is a possibility that they can win the court case. But they did say this http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2015/02/24/gtx-970/ but that wasn't admitting guilt and I can only imagine how meany lawyers it took to write that.
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/25 12:39:27
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/25 14:13:29
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No it hasn't been "fixed" because honestly there really isn't a problem. If you are looking to upgrade from the card in your sig (560 ti) you will be more than impressed by the performance of a 970. In my experience the only way I can force stutter is by running settings that even a Titan X wouldn't manage 60 fps.
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/26 00:24:27
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Tryhardicus No it hasn't been "fixed" because honestly there really isn't a problem. If you are looking to upgrade from the card in your sig (560 ti) you will be more than impressed by the performance of a 970. In my experience the only way I can force stutter is by running settings that even a Titan X wouldn't manage 60 fps.
I haven't updated my sig in a long time. I was using a GTX 670 for awhile, then purchased a GTX 960 2GB and deciding on what to do Step up to. I'm thinking I might just stick with stepping up to a GTX 960 4GB model and grabbing a second GTX 960 4GB card.
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/26 00:26:41
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Tryhardicus No it hasn't been "fixed" because honestly there really isn't a problem. If you are looking to upgrade from the card in your sig (560 ti) you will be more than impressed by the performance of a 970. In my experience the only way I can force stutter is by running settings that even a Titan X wouldn't manage 60 fps.
I haven't updated my sig in a long time. I was using a GTX 670 for awhile, then purchased a GTX 960 2GB and deciding on what to do Step up to. I'm thinking I might just stick with stepping up to a GTX 960 4GB model and grabbing a second GTX 960 4GB card.
Waste of a step up if you're going to step up, step up to something worth stepping up too like the 980
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/26 01:50:02
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You don't understand. The "broken" memory is a direct result from the fact that GTX 970 are in essence "castrated" or flawed GTX 980. So basically, making a GTX 970 implies that the memory lines are cut, that one of the last memory chips cannot be accessed at full bandwidth. To "solve" the 3.5GB "problem" (which of course officially doesn't even exist for Nvidia), Nvidia would have to come up with an entirely new card layout and way to "castrate" the GTX 980 so that they can produce GTX 970 which A) would have the same, FULL 4GB memory access and bandwidth like the GTX 980 B) however still be limited in such a way as that a GTX 970 is not as fast as a GTX 980 So or so, it would require an entirely new card design and layout. In practice this means there WON'T be a "fix" for those current cards. HOWEVER, what we can hope is that from this debacle, Nvidia will change its advertising and that reviewers in the future will take a better look at how exactly cards perform so that such hidden problems won't appear any more. By the way, this is my own, personal opinion: The 3.5Gb "problem" is WAAYYY too overrated, at least at this point in time where hardly a game would use that much memory. (There is ALWAYS a simple fix: Turn down the one or the other setting in your game and use that much video memory your card can sensibly handle, AND NOT MORE. As easy as that). I have seen countless people on forums who complained about performance problems and stutters, people who have a very low technical understanding and they are very fast to blame the "3.5GB" on whatever problems they have. I can tell you straight out that 95% of those people have no base to stand on for their claims and almost always its other problems they have, NOT the 3.5GB memory issue.
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/26 08:46:48
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flexy123 You don't understand. The "broken" memory is a direct result from the fact that GTX 970 are in essence "castrated" or flawed GTX 980. So basically, making a GTX 970 implies that the memory lines are cut, that one of the last memory chips cannot be accessed at full bandwidth. To "solve" the 3.5GB "problem" (which of course officially doesn't even exist for Nvidia), Nvidia would have to come up with an entirely new card layout and way to "castrate" the GTX 980 so that they can produce GTX 970 which A) would have the same, FULL 4GB memory access and bandwidth like the GTX 980 B) however still be limited in such a way as that a GTX 970 is not as fast as a GTX 980 So or so, it would require an entirely new card design and layout. In practice this means there WON'T be a "fix" for those current cards. HOWEVER, what we can hope is that from this debacle, Nvidia will change its advertising and that reviewers in the future will take a better look at how exactly cards perform so that such hidden problems won't appear any more. By the way, this is my own, personal opinion: The 3.5Gb "problem" is WAAYYY too overrated, at least at this point in time where hardly a game would use that much memory. (There is ALWAYS a simple fix: Turn down the one or the other setting in your game and use that much video memory your card can sensibly handle, AND NOT MORE. As easy as that). I have seen countless people on forums who complained about performance problems and stutters, people who have a very low technical understanding and they are very fast to blame the "3.5GB" on whatever problems they have. I can tell you straight out that 95% of those people have no base to stand on for their claims and almost always its other problems they have, NOT the 3.5GB memory issue.
In a way it is no different then a computer running Windows XP, while you can install 4GB of memory the OS can only use 3.5 Max of the 4 GB. It did not cause any problems for the OS and no one got upset with Microsoft for saying that Windows XP x86 version supports 4GB of memory when it is was not really true. This dead horse is rotting in the frying pan now.
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/26 09:13:42
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flexy123 You don't understand. The "broken" memory is a direct result from the fact that GTX 970 are in essence "castrated" or flawed GTX 980. So basically, making a GTX 970 implies that the memory lines are cut, that one of the last memory chips cannot be accessed at full bandwidth. To "solve" the 3.5GB "problem" (which of course officially doesn't even exist for Nvidia), Nvidia would have to come up with an entirely new card layout and way to "castrate" the GTX 980 so that they can produce GTX 970 which A) would have the same, FULL 4GB memory access and bandwidth like the GTX 980 B) however still be limited in such a way as that a GTX 970 is not as fast as a GTX 980 So or so, it would require an entirely new card design and layout. In practice this means there WON'T be a "fix" for those current cards. HOWEVER, what we can hope is that from this debacle, Nvidia will change its advertising and that reviewers in the future will take a better look at how exactly cards perform so that such hidden problems won't appear any more. By the way, this is my own, personal opinion: The 3.5Gb "problem" is WAAYYY too overrated, at least at this point in time where hardly a game would use that much memory. (There is ALWAYS a simple fix: Turn down the one or the other setting in your game and use that much video memory your card can sensibly handle, AND NOT MORE. As easy as that). I have seen countless people on forums who complained about performance problems and stutters, people who have a very low technical understanding and they are very fast to blame the "3.5GB" on whatever problems they have. I can tell you straight out that 95% of those people have no base to stand on for their claims and almost always its other problems they have, NOT the 3.5GB memory issue.
In a way it is no different then a computer running Windows XP, while you can install 4GB of memory the OS can only use 3.5 Max of the 4 GB. It did not cause any problems for the OS and no one got upset with Microsoft for saying that Windows XP x86 version supports 4GB of memory when it is was not really true. This dead horse is rotting in the frying pan now.
Worst comparison I've seen Windows XP doesn't come installed nor advertise as having 4GB The GTX 970 is does come and is advertise as having 4GB, which it does but accessing all of it comes at a price in either performance and/or crashes
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/26 09:14:29
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We will all see what the lawyers and attorneys say in a few years. If you get something in the mail asking you how meany cards you bought than fill it out and return it for "compensation". Otherwise, you're just gonna have to live with it. Personally I see the point but think it's a rip off, a 2million dollar settlement (if I remember right)and the lawyer keeps half.
What a joke.
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/26 09:14:30
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We will all see what the lawyers and attorneys say in a few years. If you get something in the mail asking you how meany cards you bought than fill it out and return it for "compensation". Otherwise, you're just gonna have to live with it. Personally I see the point but think it's a rip off, a 2million dollar settlement (if I remember right)and the lawyer keeps half.
What a joke.
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/26 09:20:06
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bcavnaugh
flexy123 You don't understand. The "broken" memory is a direct result from the fact that GTX 970 are in essence "castrated" or flawed GTX 980. So basically, making a GTX 970 implies that the memory lines are cut, that one of the last memory chips cannot be accessed at full bandwidth. To "solve" the 3.5GB "problem" (which of course officially doesn't even exist for Nvidia), Nvidia would have to come up with an entirely new card layout and way to "castrate" the GTX 980 so that they can produce GTX 970 which A) would have the same, FULL 4GB memory access and bandwidth like the GTX 980 B) however still be limited in such a way as that a GTX 970 is not as fast as a GTX 980 So or so, it would require an entirely new card design and layout. In practice this means there WON'T be a "fix" for those current cards. HOWEVER, what we can hope is that from this debacle, Nvidia will change its advertising and that reviewers in the future will take a better look at how exactly cards perform so that such hidden problems won't appear any more. By the way, this is my own, personal opinion: The 3.5Gb "problem" is WAAYYY too overrated, at least at this point in time where hardly a game would use that much memory. (There is ALWAYS a simple fix: Turn down the one or the other setting in your game and use that much video memory your card can sensibly handle, AND NOT MORE. As easy as that). I have seen countless people on forums who complained about performance problems and stutters, people who have a very low technical understanding and they are very fast to blame the "3.5GB" on whatever problems they have. I can tell you straight out that 95% of those people have no base to stand on for their claims and almost always its other problems they have, NOT the 3.5GB memory issue.
In a way it is no different then a computer running Windows XP, while you can install 4GB of memory the OS can only use 3.5 Max of the 4 GB. It did not cause any problems for the OS and no one got upset with Microsoft for saying that Windows XP x86 version supports 4GB of memory when it is was not really true. This dead horse is rotting in the frying pan now.
Worst comparison I've seen Windows XP doesn't come installed nor advertise as having 4GB The GTX 970 is does come and is advertise as having 4GB, which it does but accessing all of it comes at a price in either performance and/or crashes
Well now you at least get my Point. For MrImSoGood "In a way" I did not say a In a Comparison To.
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/26 09:58:35
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I can't believe this non-issue is still being talked about.
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Re: GTX 970 4GB Memory issue fixed?
2015/04/26 11:22:11
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-ZS-Carpenter I can't believe this non-issue is still being talked about.
This is so true.
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