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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/22 05:38:54 (permalink)
We will see soon. I currently have a 120hz BenQ, 1080p that is getting tearing because the laptop doesn't have an output that supports 120hz. (stupid laptop) but I will have my full system running Saturday hopefully. Once I get my jollies off looking at that, I will also switch over to he ROG Swift and go full GSync.

Traditionally, only the pickiest of people notice issues, as bad as that sounds. When people don't get bothered by tearing, it is usually not noticed. When it is removed is when you notice that you had been seeing it all along.
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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/22 05:42:53 (permalink)
And I am sure I will end up buying that Predator even @75Hz because I want to 'try' G-Sync and I don't want to give up my IPS colors or 21:9 aspect ratio.  I'm sure this monitor is going to cost $1400, but I spent $1.1K on a video card!!

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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/22 05:43:55 (permalink)
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I understand the principle.  I can see the potential benefit in it, Scarlet-Tech.  I just never experience anything that has bothered me.  I think the biggest benefit might be when frame rates drop, but I haven't really experienced issues with that.  I lock V-Sync and run a triple buffer typically and just hold at 60fps.
 
But again, maybe I don't know bad I have it until I see how good it could be!
 
 


This is exactly what i do too. If i see the frames drop, that is when i start getting that "motion-blur". So, would it help ifi had "strobing" feature, which BenQ offers?

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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/22 05:53:49 (permalink)
Is it blur or stuttering?

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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/22 05:56:45 (permalink)
blur
 
 
Edit : And even with Adaptive on, i don't get any of the stuttering which VSYNC seems to be notorious for.
 
So, what options do you think i should approach now?
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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/22 06:12:35 (permalink)
Then strobing may help.  Perhaps your response time is too high.  G-Sync may help by adjusting the frame rate to some extent.  But those two are exclusive of one another.  You can't run them concurrently.  Maybe Scarlet can provide you with personal experience assuming his BenQ has MBR technology.  I've never had it to speak about it.
 
I know I said it before, but I just want to know if I'm missing something that I didn't even know I was missing.  Many have said they didn't realize they had stuttering until they didn't have it anymore.

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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/22 06:17:18 (permalink)
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Then strobing may help.  Perhaps your response time is too high.  G-Sync may help by adjusting the frame rate to some extent.  But those two are exclusive of one another.  You can't run them concurrently.  Maybe Scarlet can provide you with personal experience assuming his BenQ has MBR technology.  I've never had it to speak about it.
 
I know I said it before, but I just want to know if I'm missing something that I didn't even know I was missing.  Many have said they didn't realize they had stuttering until they didn't have it anymore.


And you maybe completely right. Maybe i should go with the GSYNC monitor and see what kind of results i get. If i stick above 60fps or even higher, anyway, then i wouldnt have the "motion blur" as long as i stay above a certain fps. See, now I'm right back to where I started. lol.

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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/22 06:35:51 (permalink)
It is tough.  I will say that I think you will be pleased regardless of what you choose.  I don't think there is any way to have an improvement in some fashion with a monitor change for you at this point.
 
I really thought about that 4K monitor you mentioned before, especially at the $599 price that ends today.  I would probably be happy if I bought it.  I would be happy with other things if I bought them for different reasons.  Don't sit in anguish.  I want to try G-Sync.  If it isn't all they say it is then I simply won't buy it again.  I would like to try 144Hz but I also like the colors from IPS.  I can't have both.  I want the 21:9 format.  And I don't think DSR is as good as a higher resolution.  Better, yes, than just 1080p.  Ultimately, I will have to pick and choose which options are most important.  That probably means going with that Acer Predator this summer for me.
 
You can use a retailer like Amazon that will let you return a monitor.  You can also sell something fairly new if something better comes out next year that you want.  Just remember that there will always be something better a week or a month after you buy yours.  You will always feel like you missed out on something or decide something a feature you omitted would have been a better choice.  You will always want 'more'.  Always.
 
Just make a decision on what you feel is most important at the moment and go with it and enjoy yourself.

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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/22 06:49:53 (permalink)
I'm the kind of guy that holds onto his stuff for 3-4 years. I used my GTX 470's for 5 years... (completely off topic, but you get the point.)
 
So, I'm going to go ahead and give this 1080p GSYNC a try, and then next year after i get the 980ti's, i'll step up to the 3440x1440. Do you know if it will be IPS?
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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/22 07:00:10 (permalink)
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It is tough.  I will say that I think you will be pleased regardless of what you choose.  I don't think there is any way to have an improvement in some fashion with a monitor change for you at this point.
 
I really thought about that 4K monitor you mentioned before, especially at the $599 price that ends today.  I would probably be happy if I bought it.  I would be happy with other things if I bought them for different reasons.  Don't sit in anguish.  I want to try G-Sync.  If it isn't all they say it is then I simply won't buy it again.  I would like to try 144Hz but I also like the colors from IPS.  I can't have both.  I want the 21:9 format.  And I don't think DSR is as good as a higher resolution.  Better, yes, than just 1080p.  Ultimately, I will have to pick and choose which options are most important.  That probably means going with that Acer Predator this summer for me.
 
You can use a retailer like Amazon that will let you return a monitor.  You can also sell something fairly new if something better comes out next year that you want.  Just remember that there will always be something better a week or a month after you buy yours.  You will always feel like you missed out on something or decide something a feature you omitted would have been a better choice.  You will always want 'more'.  Always.
 
Just make a decision on what you feel is most important at the moment and go with it and enjoy yourself.


That's good advice, thanks. And thanks for the great input.

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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/22 07:21:55 (permalink)
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I'm the kind of guy that holds onto his stuff for 3-4 years. I used my GTX 470's for 5 years... (completely off topic, but you get the point.)
 
So, I'm going to go ahead and give this 1080p GSYNC a try, and then next year after i get the 980ti's, i'll step up to the 3440x1440. Do you know if it will be IPS?


I used to use things for a long time.   I'm in a position now that I can 'upgrade' more often should I choose to do so.  I have to be careful not to overdo it.  I bought the Titan X just because I could and it will drive the higher resolution monitor.
 
The current Predator monitor slated will be IPS but 'only' 75Hz.  They don't have the response time to be any quicker.  By next year, I think there will be 144Hz in some variant of IPS in 21:9 if not some amazing new technology.
 
And next year the Pascal series is slated to be out and it should have HBM gen2 stacks that they say will blow Maxwell cards away.  You probably won't want a 980Ti.  Then you will have to start a thread with the dilemma regarding cards and another thread with all the new monitors.
 
Please be sure to respond to this thread and advise of your thoughts on the G-Sync monitor you are getting ready to purchase.  I would be very interested to hear your opinion after all of this.

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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/22 07:25:16 (permalink)
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I'm the kind of guy that holds onto his stuff for 3-4 years. I used my GTX 470's for 5 years... (completely off topic, but you get the point.)
 
So, I'm going to go ahead and give this 1080p GSYNC a try, and then next year after i get the 980ti's, i'll step up to the 3440x1440. Do you know if it will be IPS?


I used to use things for a long time.   I'm in a position now that I can 'upgrade' more often should I choose to do so.  I have to be careful not to overdo it.  I bought the Titan X just because I could and it will drive the higher resolution monitor.
 
The current Predator monitor slated will be IPS but 'only' 75Hz.  They don't have the response time to be any quicker.  By next year, I think there will be 144Hz in some variant of IPS in 21:9 if not some amazing new technology.
 
And next year the Pascal series is slated to be out and it should have HBM gen2 stacks that they say will blow Maxwell cards away.  You probably won't want a 980Ti.  Then you will have to start a thread with the dilemma regarding cards and another thread with all the new monitors.
 
Please be sure to respond to this thread and advise of your thoughts on the G-Sync monitor you are getting ready to purchase.  I would be very interested to hear your opinion after all of this.


I'll be purchasing it this Friday. I'll have results next week. Wish me luck!

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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/23 13:38:04 (permalink)
It's official.  They announced it today.  I can't post links, though.  Will have Gen2 G-Sync so you can connect via a separate HDMI connection as well as the display port.  Only 75Hz, but 100% sRGB.  Available in August for $1299.  I will give it a try if the reviews are solid.
 
 
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  • Curved 34-inch 21:9 UltraWide QHD (3440 x 1440) display
  • IPS technology
  • 178-degree viewing angles
  • NVIDIA G-Sync technology to minimize stutter and screen tear
  • 2 x 7W DTS speakers
  • 100% sRGB color gamut
  • DisplayPort and HDMI inputs
  • Built-in USB 3.0 hub
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  • Aluminum base
     

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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/24 05:19:27 (permalink)
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It's official.  They announced it today.  I can't post links, though.  Will have Gen2 G-Sync so you can connect via a separate HDMI connection as well as the display port.  Only 75Hz, but 100% sRGB.  Available in August for $1299.  I will give it a try if the reviews are solid.
 
 
Acer XR341CKA display
  • Curved 34-inch 21:9 UltraWide QHD (3440 x 1440) display
  • IPS technology
  • 178-degree viewing angles
  • NVIDIA G-Sync technology to minimize stutter and screen tear
  • 2 x 7W DTS speakers
  • 100% sRGB color gamut
  • DisplayPort and HDMI inputs
  • Built-in USB 3.0 hub
  • Ultra thin bezel
  • Aluminum base
     


Definately will be adding this to the wish list. I was actually looking for a monitor at 75hz as i was content with 60hz. with it being 75hz and with ULTRAwide, this will be cool. For now i'm going to take advantage of my 970's running at 144hz for awhile till the 980ti's come out. Then i'll think about getting this monitor. It definately looks nice for sure.

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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/24 07:23:53 (permalink)
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I understand the principle.  I can see the potential benefit in it, Scarlet-Tech.  I just never experience anything that has bothered me.  I think the biggest benefit might be when frame rates drop, but I haven't really experienced issues with that.  I lock V-Sync and run a triple buffer typically and just hold at 60fps.
 
But again, maybe I don't know bad I have it until I see how good it could be!

 
As I recently jumped on the 1440p @ 144 G-sync bandwagon, I can tell you there is a huge difference. I used to think (incorrectly) that anything over 45 FPS was just gravy, and that maybe 60 FPS was nice, but probably just elitisim on the part of those stating "I would never play a game below 60 FPS".
 
Once you see it, you see it. You can't go back to the same juddery mess of micro-stutters. My sweet spot is between 80-90 FPS - as in, I can see the difference when it drops below that. G-sync smooths those drops out very nicely (if they occur mid-game). I now wonder how I even managed to play an action-oriented game (say, Skyrim or SoM) at below 70 FPS or so. In Elite: Dangerous, the difference is immediately perceptible dropping below 80 FPS with free look.
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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/24 07:41:26 (permalink)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009742
 
I just dropped some serious change on this. Will be arriving on Tuesday so I can give a better in depth review then.  Considering my current monitor is an ancient 720p acer 21 inch it should be epic :)
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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/24 07:45:06 (permalink)
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I just dropped some serious change on this. Will be arriving on Tuesday so I can give a better in depth review then.  Considering my current monitor is an ancient 720p acer 21 inch it should be epic :)


Hopefully you got it a few days ago when it was $599.
 
Oh, wait... I see you got the 1440p and not the 4K.  Apologies.
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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/24 07:49:22 (permalink)
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I understand the principle.  I can see the potential benefit in it, Scarlet-Tech.  I just never experience anything that has bothered me.  I think the biggest benefit might be when frame rates drop, but I haven't really experienced issues with that.  I lock V-Sync and run a triple buffer typically and just hold at 60fps.
 
But again, maybe I don't know bad I have it until I see how good it could be!

 
As I recently jumped on the 1440p @ 144 G-sync bandwagon, I can tell you there is a huge difference. I used to think (incorrectly) that anything over 45 FPS was just gravy, and that maybe 60 FPS was nice, but probably just elitisim on the part of those stating "I would never play a game below 60 FPS".
 
Once you see it, you see it. You can't go back to the same juddery mess of micro-stutters. My sweet spot is between 80-90 FPS - as in, I can see the difference when it drops below that. G-sync smooths those drops out very nicely (if they occur mid-game). I now wonder how I even managed to play an action-oriented game (say, Skyrim or SoM) at below 70 FPS or so. In Elite: Dangerous, the difference is immediately perceptible dropping below 80 FPS with free look.


Yes.  That was the whole "not knowing what your missing until you see it".  Sometimes ignorance is bliss.  I have days that I want to try to ROG swift, but I really don't want to lose color palette.  That I do notice.  And I love the 21:9 ultra wide format.  I believe Stalin has a 144Hz coming in today.  We'll see if he has a wow moment.  I'm not sure that 75Hz would be a game changer for me on that Predator.  Perhaps the G-Sync will make a difference.  But if I don't test a 144Hz, I won't know that I'm missing it!

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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/24 08:02:57 (permalink)
Not yet sir, just got my check today. I'll be putting in the order tonight when i get home. I'll probably expect some time either Tuesday or Wednesday. - - - So, So i just saw that the monitor supports 3D vision. so that comes to my next question. forgetting about the "eye-strain" that people have mentioned, is it still pretty nice as far as 3D gaming? Is it a nice experience to have, and worth the investment?
 
 
Edit : i Can see if I were to 'step back' a few more feet from the monitor, the 'eye-strain' would not be that significant, but since I have not experienced yet, this i just a speculation.
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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/24 09:23:28 (permalink)
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I just dropped some serious change on this. Will be arriving on Tuesday so I can give a better in depth review then.  Considering my current monitor is an ancient 720p acer 21 inch it should be epic :)




You won't be disappointed, especially from 720p. I'll buy your monitor for you if you are.
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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/24 09:43:10 (permalink)
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I just dropped some serious change on this. Will be arriving on Tuesday so I can give a better in depth review then.  Considering my current monitor is an ancient 720p acer 21 inch it should be epic :)




You won't be disappointed, especially from 720p. I'll buy your monitor for you if you are.


Oh!  Oh!  I forgot to mention that I ordered that monitor this morning, got 1 hour delivery, hooked it up and gamed on it for about 19.3 hours today.  I'm disappointed with it.  Did you want to send me a check or do you need my PayPal? 

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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/24 09:45:55 (permalink)
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I just dropped some serious change on this. Will be arriving on Tuesday so I can give a better in depth review then.  Considering my current monitor is an ancient 720p acer 21 inch it should be epic :)




You won't be disappointed, especially from 720p. I'll buy your monitor for you if you are.


Oh!  Oh!  I forgot to mention that I ordered that monitor this morning, got 1 hour delivery, hooked it up and gamed on it for about 19.3 hours today.  I'm disappointed with it.  Did you want to send me a check or do you need my PayPal? 




Ass. ;-)
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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/24 09:47:21 (permalink)
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I just dropped some serious change on this. Will be arriving on Tuesday so I can give a better in depth review then.  Considering my current monitor is an ancient 720p acer 21 inch it should be epic :)




You won't be disappointed, especially from 720p. I'll buy your monitor for you if you are.


Oh!  Oh!  I forgot to mention that I ordered that monitor this morning, got 1 hour delivery, hooked it up and gamed on it for about 19.3 hours today.  I'm disappointed with it.  Did you want to send me a check or do you need my PayPal? 




Ass. ;-)


Couldn't help it...

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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/24 09:52:50 (permalink)
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I just dropped some serious change on this. Will be arriving on Tuesday so I can give a better in depth review then.  Considering my current monitor is an ancient 720p acer 21 inch it should be epic :)




You won't be disappointed, especially from 720p. I'll buy your monitor for you if you are.


Oh!  Oh!  I forgot to mention that I ordered that monitor this morning, got 1 hour delivery, hooked it up and gamed on it for about 19.3 hours today.  I'm disappointed with it.  Did you want to send me a check or do you need my PayPal? 




Ass. ;-)


Couldn't help it...




Yessir, the check is in the mail.
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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/24 10:08:19 (permalink)
I will wait by the mailbox until it gets here!

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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/24 10:14:08 (permalink)
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I will wait by the mailbox until it gets here!




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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/25 04:31:51 (permalink)
It's been ordered. It will arrive by Tuesday.

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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/25 04:51:30 (permalink)
if you can't afford a 1440p g-sync now just do a small step forward and go for a 144Hz non g-sync.
it will cost you under 300$ and you will have enough fun until you get the money for more.

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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/25 05:23:40 (permalink)
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post edited by demo23019 - 2015/04/25 05:30:24
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Re: 2560x1440p /w GSYNC or 1920x1080 /w GSYNC using DSR? 2015/04/25 11:38:40 (permalink)
I will be looking forward to your discussion on how you like it.

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