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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/04/22 12:49:56
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Cutting some copper: 
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/04/23 05:46:09
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I'm looking at taking my first dive into water cooling. You may have a new customer. That looks really good!
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/04/23 06:56:09
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I'm looking at taking my first dive into water cooling. You may have a new customer. That looks really good!
Nateman stuff has some of the best quality out there. I really like his z97 block and he just sent off my x99+cpu block. Plus his blocks are all single color and no designs (unless requested) to match any sysyem.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/04/23 09:16:55
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Size comparison between the CPU and the plate: 
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/04/23 09:23:42
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I'm looking at taking my first dive into water cooling. You may have a new customer. That looks really good!
I look forward to hearing from you! First lets see how the block performs though. I know it should be the least restrictive block out there. seta8967
Nateman stuff has some of the best quality out there. I really like his z97 block and he just sent off my x99+cpu block. Plus his blocks are all single color and no designs (unless requested) to match any sysyem.
Thank you again!
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/04/24 14:12:15
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Size comparison between the CPU and the plate:
nateman_doo
I look forward to hearing from you! First lets see how the block performs though. I know it should be the least restrictive block out there. Finished product looks good. I am curious how this will compare though, as most other blocks on the market have significantly higher fin count internally, and while that produces more restrictions it also offers far more surface area to draw the heat out with. You know I have faith in your products, I always have, but I am really curious to see how this compares.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/12 21:40:34
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So I had this block sent out for independent testing and here were the results: the 5960x @ 4.4GHz 1.3Vcore mine: 43.9° top spot: 42.18° That is a 1.72° difference in favor of the top spot. ( results) HOWEVER.... Restriction:  (lower is better) It is the least restrictive block of all the units tested. I feel confident to sell some of the units as is, but I do plan on experimenting some until that gap is closed. So for now if you want the least restrictive block (like if your using a single loop with numerous GPU's and chipset blocks) you may fair better with this one overall as the rest of your system won't be starved for water pressure.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/12 21:49:57
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congrats nateman! for a first cpu block you made a big bang. Are we going to get a post with the full review? at only 1.72C difference you could almost account that to environmental differences, but I don't know how the test was conducted. I can't wait for my stuff to arrive.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/13 07:18:00
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It's definitely not environmental differences but yeah- very good job for what it is.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/13 08:33:49
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It's definitely not environmental differences but yeah- very good job for what it is.
I just read through it again. I got F and C confused. I really need to start drinking coffee again... Any xhance for the full review?
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/13 08:42:40
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Yeah, I will have one up soon. But aside from pics, you have everything else in there. The block itself is socket specific and the unboxing section will be next to nothing :-)
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/13 15:48:01
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Believe it or not, it has inspired me perhaps to pick up the Air Cooled waterblock. If I use this as a baseplate i may be able to work some magic.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/13 15:50:57
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Believe it or not, it has inspired me perhaps to pick up the Air Cooled waterblock. If I use this as a baseplate i may be able to work some magic.
Yes finally, sign me up :) I know that news will make DaveB and some others of us VERY happy.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/13 15:51:32
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Believe it or not, it has inspired me perhaps to pick up the Air Cooled waterblock. If I use this as a baseplate i may be able to work some magic.
ABOUT TIME! I have parts that could definitely use it, having the fan as a backup for that is just an AWESOME idea. Hell I could use the mobos PWM controller for it. If it works as well as I hope and am sure yours can, I will liekly buy a few from you.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/13 15:51:52
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Gah Zophar, beat me by about 10 seconds :)
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/13 15:52:38
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Gah Zophar, beat me by about 10 seconds :)
I knew you wouldn't be far behind though.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/13 15:53:17
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Gah Zophar, beat me by about 10 seconds :)
I knew you wouldn't be far behind though.
Yeah I know, the things i like tend to be very predictable.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/13 16:01:57
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Bit off the topic, but 2 things I've always wanted to see: 1) heatpipe / vapor chamber air cooler with the fin area enclosed to make it watercooled. no idea if this really would buy anything over a regular waterblock, but seems heatpipes can potentially give better heat transfer than is possible otherwise 2) a waterblock with symmetric in/out ports. I always felt this was a weak point in the Supremacy design since the out port is on one side so water on the other side has to flow around the entire block to get there. Put 2 out ports on the thing and let me Y them together. Oh and 3) I want to make an intercooler waterblock. 3" x 3" x 6" tower of copper with holes drilled through it and two chambers on either side for water to enter, fan out, go through the copper, fan down, and exit. EDIT: The reason for 2) and 3) is I vaguely recall touring one of the Intel assembly-test labs and seeing that the cooling they used was basically a giant tower of copper with 4 hoses coming off it.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/13 17:23:19
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MAN, you guys came out of no where at the mention of the ACB. :) If you recall I did do a block with a fan, and I thought it came out really nice: http://forums.evga.com/tm.aspx?m=887470 I can tell you guys this... I already came up with a new design. Almost finished with a CAD design. It is not going to be cheap, it will have some weight to it. Wont be much to look at, and it will have brazed pipe fittings, so compression fitting is out the window. Clamps will be the only way I can make this work. Its just as simple yet SUPER complex to machine. will take HOURS to make a single one.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/13 17:33:59
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OK, my interest is REALLY peaked now.
Also, of course I remember your old one, the test you posted here when you tried it was great and looked like it had AWESOME potential.
In many ways I do not care if it doesn't look purdy, I want it to work well Function>Form ALWAYS with computers and cooling.
Also, clamps are just fine, they seal great, I usually use clamps anyway.....
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/13 17:57:21
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everyone seems to be addicted to compression fittings. for the life of me I will never see the dire need for them. hose clamps have been working for decades just fine.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/13 17:59:58
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everyone seems to be addicted to compression fittings. for the life of me I will never see the dire need for them. hose clamps have been working for decades just fine.
FINALLY, someone else who sounds like me. worm gear or spring clips hold the watercooling system together on my CAR and has for years, so the tech will work here as well :) If it is the look, I like the Lamptron ones, solid colored aluminum and a small hex bolt to tighten.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/13 18:40:01
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everyone seems to be addicted to compression fittings. for the life of me I will never see the dire need for them. hose clamps have been working for decades just fine.
Lots of people do WC stuff for aesthetics. Hardline tubing is an indication of someone who would make their life miserable if it looks cool.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/13 19:02:17
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Air cooled waterblock back on? Bring it on!!
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/13 19:07:03
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everyone seems to be addicted to compression fittings. for the life of me I will never see the dire need for them. hose clamps have been working for decades just fine.
Lots of people do WC stuff for aesthetics. Hardline tubing is an indication of someone who would make their life miserable if it looks cool.
Or simply because it doesn't have plasticizers and doesn't degrade over time like flex tube. You can also have increased ID because there is no nipple like a flex tube has. It is also more durable to abuse and doesn't crack or get cut (PETG is durable, Acrylic shatters). Finally it keeps it organized, you don't have to deal with a mess of tubing that lies about, and decreased length without risk of stretching the tubing if you do it properly. There is reasons for both flex tube and hardline. Both have their place, its not as simple as "it looks cooler". As for compression vs hose clamps, I think its because people don't use hose clamps properly. I have seen pictures of people over tightening to the point its cutting into the tubing, or too loose that it leaks. Companies have made fool proof hose clamps and yet, here we are with people messing those up.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/13 19:30:47
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Or simply because it doesn't have plasticizers and doesn't degrade over time like flex tube. You can also have increased ID because there is no nipple like a flex tube has. It is also more durable to abuse and doesn't crack or get cut (PETG is durable, Acrylic shatters). Finally it keeps it organized, you don't have to deal with a mess of tubing that lies about, and decreased length without risk of stretching the tubing if you do it properly.
There is reasons for both flex tube and hardline. Both have their place, its not as simple as "it looks cooler".
As for compression vs hose clamps, I think its because people don't use hose clamps properly. I have seen pictures of people over tightening to the point its cutting into the tubing, or too loose that it leaks. Companies have made fool proof hose clamps and yet, here we are with people messing those up.
The main issues with hardline is all the fittings are more expensive, it's hugely more time consuming to setup, and if you change anything in your system it's a PITA because stuff won't line up and it's back to cutting and bending tube. Hell even if you want to replace a video card in a SLI setup or upgrade CPUs, how much of a theatrical event is that when there's no give in the plumbing? It looks nice and clean, but there's no functional advantage that I can come up with over plasticizer free tubing.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/13 20:00:16
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Or simply because it doesn't have plasticizers and doesn't degrade over time like flex tube. You can also have increased ID because there is no nipple like a flex tube has. It is also more durable to abuse and doesn't crack or get cut (PETG is durable, Acrylic shatters). Finally it keeps it organized, you don't have to deal with a mess of tubing that lies about, and decreased length without risk of stretching the tubing if you do it properly.
There is reasons for both flex tube and hardline. Both have their place, its not as simple as "it looks cooler".
As for compression vs hose clamps, I think its because people don't use hose clamps properly. I have seen pictures of people over tightening to the point its cutting into the tubing, or too loose that it leaks. Companies have made fool proof hose clamps and yet, here we are with people messing those up.
The main issues with hardline is all the fittings are more expensive, it's hugely more time consuming to setup, and if you change anything in your system it's a PITA because stuff won't line up and it's back to cutting and bending tube. Hell even if you want to replace a video card in a SLI setup or upgrade CPUs, how much of a theatrical event is that when there's no give in the plumbing? It looks nice and clean, but there's no functional advantage that I can come up with over plasticizer free tubing.
The fittings are about the same cost. Primochill sells both, their flex tubing runs 6-7 dollars per fitting. Their hardline fittings are about 7-8 dollars per fitting. So its a buck more. It is a huge time consuming process to setup. To replace items is a hassle as you need to take out 2 tubings, instead of simply move them to the side. Lately though I have seen GPU blocks have the inlets at the same point on their blocks which means you don't need to make a new tube. Also if its a small adjustment, its as simple as heating it up and touching it in the right direction. The same could be said about those who attempt to minimize their distance between cards using flex tube. They have to get new flex tube. It's a personal choice, for those who have the time and passion to watercool and get the optimal setup for them, they will do it.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/13 20:37:19
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The main issues with hardline is all the fittings are more expensive, it's hugely more time consuming to setup, and if you change anything in your system it's a PITA because stuff won't line up and it's back to cutting and bending tube. Hell even if you want to replace a video card in a SLI setup or upgrade CPUs, how much of a theatrical event is that when there's no give in the plumbing? It looks nice and clean, but there's no functional advantage that I can come up with over plasticizer free tubing.
jayZTwoCents on YouTube did a video where he went from 780's to 980's... he reused the same hardline tubing, because it fit exactly the same on both. he went the Z platform (z87, i think) over to the x99, and only had to move the CPU bend 1/4' if you do it right, there isn't much to change. If you buy a company that doesn't manufacture the same every time, you will run into issues. If you buy from someone like EK, who keeps everything consistent, setting it up once will transfer to other systems. IF I hardline in the Nateman block, I will not be able to reuse the tubing because it will not be the same no matter what I use it with.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/14 01:46:11
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^^ jayztwocents even ended up using soft tubing in the basement of Skunkworks for the pumps and drain lines. That's probably another neg for hardline - even if you have the energy to do it for the main area, doing it 100% for everything is probably near impossible unless it's a very small loop or you have many hours to mock it up.
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