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2015/02/15 19:47:31 (permalink)
If I have 2 970's in SLI @ 8x can I still plug in a sound card? or No?

Also! Anyone have any idea if "Supreme FX" is better than Recon 3D Core by Creative?




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    Randoo1212
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    Re: Z-97 Question 2015/02/16 03:53:01 (permalink)
    z97 has a great sound card built in
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    Re: Z-97 Question 2015/02/16 08:11:07 (permalink)
    Take a look at your Manual the PEI-C lane distribution is: PE1-x16 (x8 if PE2 is used), PE2-x16 (x8 if PE3 is used), PE3-x8, PE4-x16 (x8 if PE6 is used), PE5-x1 and PE6-x8. Hope this makes since. You can run two gtx 970's at x16 and a sound card.




     
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    Re: Z-97 Question 2015/02/18 09:28:24 (permalink)
    You can still plug in a sound card in the pcie x1 slot... This slot goes through the z97 chipset and shouldn't affect the lane distribution of the rest of  the slots... Not sure if you have a z97 FTW or a z97 Classified mobo? There are differences between the two re the number of available lanes but in either case you should be able to use a sound card in the 1x slot without affecting your x8 x8 SLI
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    Re: Z-97 Question 2015/02/18 14:28:02 (permalink)
    Put your video cards in slots 2 and 4. Put your sound card in slot 5.This will give you x16 on your SLI. This is for a Classified board. For FTW put your video cards in slots 1 and 2 this will give you x8 on your SLI. Put your sound card in 3 or 4.
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    Re: Z-97 Question 2015/03/02 09:47:15 (permalink)
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    Take a look at your Manual the PEI-C lane distribution is: PE1-x16 (x8 if PE2 is used), PE2-x16 (x8 if PE3 is used), PE3-x8, PE4-x16 (x8 if PE6 is used), PE5-x1 and PE6-x8. Hope this makes since. You can run two gtx 970's at x16 and a sound card.



    This is incorrect, one at 16x and one at 8x. This was misconnunication, as I am a z97 classy owner and was disappointed at first, but there is no noticable difference. 

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    Re: Z-97 Question 2015/03/03 03:21:46 (permalink)
    Keep one graphics card in slot 1 it says 8x but its 8 lanes direct to the cpu
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    Re: Z-97 Question 2015/03/03 06:59:14 (permalink)

    I have my card in slot one my bios shows 16 lanes. See attachment.
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    Re: Z-97 Question 2015/03/03 07:11:54 (permalink)
    Peteo, this not incorrect. If you run a card in slots one and two they will both run 8 lanes to the cpu. If you SLI it is best to run your cards in slots two and four. Try putting your sound card in slot 5.
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    Re: Z-97 Question 2015/03/03 07:17:32 (permalink)
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    Petco, this not incorrect. If you run a card in slots one and two they will both run 8 lanes to the cpu. If you SLI it is best to run your cards in slots two and four.

    Cpt...  You are incorrect.
     
    You get x16 in slot one b/c you are running 1 gpu...  If using slot 1 while running SLI, slot 1 goes to x8 despite what the manual says.  The only way to get x16/x16 in the z97 Classy is to use slots 2 and 4.  If you use slots 1 & 4, you will get x8 in slot 1, and x16 in slot 4.  This is not up for debate.  It is fact.  The manual has still yet to be updated and is still incorrect.

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    Re: Z-97 Question 2015/03/03 09:51:04 (permalink)
    Dude, you just said the same thing I said. Slots two and four. read my post.




     
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    Re: Z-97 Question 2015/03/03 11:02:40 (permalink)
    from what I read, pcie 1 is 8 lanes direct to cpu.  All remaining pcie slots share the remaining cpu 8 lanes by way of the Plex chip. Z 97 cpu's only have 16 cpu lanes no mater what brand of mothbrd you buy. Its all a dog and pony show, all I know is my system works great! Way better than my x-58.
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    Re: Z-97 Question 2015/03/05 09:39:13 (permalink)
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    from what I read, pcie 1 is 8 lanes direct to cpu.  All remaining pcie slots share the remaining cpu 8 lanes by way of the Plex chip. Z 97 cpu's only have 16 cpu lanes no mater what brand of mothbrd you buy. Its all a dog and pony show, all I know is my system works great! Way better than my x-58.




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    Re: Z-97 Question 2015/03/31 21:13:55 (permalink)
    Taken care of..Its actually an ASUS VII Hero but was more inquiring if it was for the Z97 platform as a whole. I got my Recon 3D in slot 1, my first 970 in PCI-E "Slot 2" and my 2nd in Slot 4. Were good.




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    Re: Z-97 Question 2015/04/08 08:35:29 (permalink)
    FYI, if you read my post on this in the 8x/16x not 16x/16x  thread it will all make more sense... For SLI on the z97 classy, it seems best to keep one card in slot 1, and another in slot 4. Putting both in slots 2 and 4 bottlenecks the whole process bc both cards will be "switching" through the plx chip which has only 8 lanes to the CPU... Again, this type of setup (with a direct 8x to the CPU) is similar to other extreme overclocking boards too (see the z87 maximus extreme)..
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    Re: Z-97 Question 2015/04/09 06:27:56 (permalink)
    Slots 2 and 4 will give you 8 lanes each the plx chip actually expands the PCI-E lanes. The bottleneck is the processor it only has a total of 16 lanes. The Z97 Classified motherboard has a total of six device ports - five PCI-Express x16 slots and one PCI-Express x1 slot. For the PCI-Express x16 slots, the board supports full x16 bandwidth with a single card, x16 bandwidth with cards in the primary and secondary slots with two cards populated, x16 / x8 / x8 with cards populated in slots 1, 2, and 4, and x8 / x8 / x8 / x8 with cards populating four of the PCI-Express x16 slots. EVGA was able to accommodate 8x bandwidth in tri and quad-card operation using a PLX bridge chip sitting underneath the heat sink to the right of the PCI-Express slot area of the board. There is no processor out for the Z97 1150 platform with more than 16 lanes.
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    Re: Z-97 Question 2015/04/09 19:33:16 (permalink)
    man oh man, its like ground hog day. Same questions over and over.
    pcie 1 is 8 lanes to cpu  that's where I want 1 Graphics card.  Every other pcie socket (2,3,and 4) share the 8 lanes remaining lanes to the cpu.
    Its the modulating plex chip switching it up at the speed of light to give the illusion of more lanes than there really are. For most of our needs this just doesn't matter.
    I want breathing room for my 2nd gpu and run it in slot 4.
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    Re: Z-97 Question 2015/04/09 20:18:33 (permalink)
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    Slots 2 and 4 will give you 8 lanes each the plx chip actually expands the PCI-E lanes. The bottleneck is the processor it only has a total of 16 lanes. The Z97 Classified motherboard has a total of six device ports - five PCI-Express x16 slots and one PCI-Express x1 slot. For the PCI-Express x16 slots, the board supports full x16 bandwidth with a single card, x16 bandwidth with cards in the primary and secondary slots with two cards populated, x16 / x8 / x8 with cards populated in slots 1, 2, and 4, and x8 / x8 / x8 / x8 with cards populating four of the PCI-Express x16 slots. EVGA was able to accommodate 8x bandwidth in tri and quad-card operation using a PLX bridge chip sitting underneath the heat sink to the right of the PCI-Express slot area of the board. There is no processor out for the Z97 1150 platform with more than 16 lanes.


    Randoo says it best. Again. Lanes 2,4, and 5 have 8 lanes into the plx. Not 8 to each lane. The plx only gets 8 total.
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    Re: Z-97 Question 2015/04/09 21:11:13 (permalink)
    The plx chip expands the total amount of lanes from 32 to 48 depending on the board. It is the cpu that only has a 16 lanes total. Do you really think any board manufacture is going to design the plx to choke the system? Look up your processor on Intel there you will find the right information.

    Combining three or four video cards on a Socket 1150 motherboard is, as said, not really possible. The trick involving the four lanes from the chipset is supported by AMD for CrossfireX, although it is definitely not recommended. Nvidia SLI simply refuses to work in this arrangement. Still, Socket 1150 motherboards with support for 3-way and 4-way SLI do exist. This is because manufacturers place a PCI-Express switch-chip on such boards, usually a PLX PEX8747. This chip is connected to the CPU through PCI-Express x16 and offers 32 lanes to video cards on the other side. This enables two cards to be controlled with 16 lanes each or four cards to be controlled with 8 lanes each.

    The total bandwidth to the CPU naturally remains limited to the 16 GB/s offered by PCI-Express 3.0 x16. Because the PLX-chip can switch, it is possible for two installed cards to communicate at full speed, provided the other is not transferring data at the same time. More importantly, both cards can also send data to one another at PCI-Express x16 speed through the PLX chip. The same holds true when three or four cards have been installed, although in this case the speed naturally is limited to x8.
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