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2015/03/25 11:12:18 (permalink)
EA snuck in some hardware monitoring DRM and shuts you down after so many changes to your PC. The sad part, is that they pretty much snuck it in.
 
 
http://www.guru3d.com/new...h-new-ghastly-drm.html
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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/25 11:38:42 (permalink)
    Nice job EA & Visceral  - 

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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/25 11:41:39 (permalink)
    And, now EA is shutting down threads about it, saying that most typical players won't have an issue with it: http://battlelog.battlefi...w/2955065241070620610/
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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/25 11:59:33 (permalink)
    so what? i could care less.
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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/25 12:09:24 (permalink)
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    so what? i could care less.


     
    This quote was taken from another thread, it seems like you never really add anything to these threads: 
    blackforce
    so what and who cares.


     
    Thanks, for posting though. 
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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/25 12:45:41 (permalink)
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    so what? i could care less.
    So you do care then? If not one would think you'd put "couldn't care less."

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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/25 13:41:11 (permalink)
    The least we can do is inform people so they can make their own decision about whether or not to buy a game with this sort of DRM. I appreciate Guru3d posting this information to allow people to make their own decisions. I don't like DRM, personally, but some DRM is much worse than others IMO.  
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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/25 17:14:07 (permalink)
    One more reason to not buy! -.-

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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/25 19:40:06 (permalink)
    "Hey, EA, you forgot your banana!"
     
    Guess where it goes!!
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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/26 06:35:18 (permalink)

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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/26 08:52:29 (permalink)
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    This isn't true. See here:

    http://www.pcgamer.com/ba...e-an-activation-limit/


    Nice. Thank you. This almost needs it's own thread.

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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/26 09:52:28 (permalink)
    LouisvilleXV
    This isn't true. See here:

    http://www.pcgamer.com/ba...e-an-activation-limit/

    Oh, so it is Origin that is limiting activations, that makes it so much better.... This means it is ALL Origin games now... 
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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/26 10:11:38 (permalink)
    @chrisdglong - did you buy BFH?
     


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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/26 10:12:41 (permalink)
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    This isn't true. See here:

    http://www.pcgamer.com/ba...e-an-activation-limit/

    Oh, so it is Origin that is limiting activations, that makes it so much better.... This means it is ALL Origin games now... 

    But how many people install the same game on more than 5 computers within 24 hours?  I never have and I doubt 99% of people will except benchmarking websites.  So yes, it does make it much better than what people were getting all worked up about before knowing the actual truth.


     
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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/26 10:18:27 (permalink)
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    This isn't true. See here:

    http://www.pcgamer.com/ba...e-an-activation-limit/

    Oh, so it is Origin that is limiting activations, that makes it so much better.... This means it is ALL Origin games now... 

    But how many people install the same game on more than 5 computers within 24 hours?  I never have and I doubt 99% of people will except benchmarking websites.  So yes, it does make it much better than what people were getting all worked up about before knowing the actual truth.


    Regardless, it is still EA not being upfront with what they are doing/limiting. 
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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/26 10:29:57 (permalink)
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    This isn't true. See here:

    http://www.pcgamer.com/ba...e-an-activation-limit/

    Oh, so it is Origin that is limiting activations, that makes it so much better.... This means it is ALL Origin games now... 

    But how many people install the same game on more than 5 computers within 24 hours?  I never have and I doubt 99% of people will except benchmarking websites.  So yes, it does make it much better than what people were getting all worked up about before knowing the actual truth.


    Regardless, it is still EA not being upfront with what they are doing/limiting. 


    chrisdglong - you always complain about EA and their games (I'm not defending them), but why you keep buying their games and keep complaining about them?  Simple solution - maybe don't buy their games?  I'm not trying to pick on you but you have complained about every BF games!
     
    EA should just keep track of the motherboard changes.
     
     
     


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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/26 14:09:35 (permalink)
    Where's that  Banana!
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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/26 14:15:39 (permalink)
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    Where's that  Banana!

    In your hand?


     
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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/26 20:59:49 (permalink)
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    This isn't true. See here:

    http://www.pcgamer.com/ba...e-an-activation-limit/

    Oh, so it is Origin that is limiting activations, that makes it so much better.... This means it is ALL Origin games now... 




    The only people affected by this are either people running benchmarks, or those sharing accounts (which is essentially piracy).
     
    I don't see the problem at all; it's only hurting like 0.000000001% of legitimate users.

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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/26 22:10:09 (permalink)
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    This isn't true. See here:

    http://www.pcgamer.com/ba...e-an-activation-limit/

    Oh, so it is Origin that is limiting activations, that makes it so much better.... This means it is ALL Origin games now... 




    The only people affected by this are either people running benchmarks, or those sharing accounts (which is essentially piracy).
     
    I don't see the problem at all; it's only hurting like 0.000000001% of legitimate users.


    Again, even if you don't have a problem with it, wouldn't you like this information upfront so you can decide for yourself? 
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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/27 10:32:51 (permalink)
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    This isn't true. See here:

    http://www.pcgamer.com/ba...e-an-activation-limit/

    Oh, so it is Origin that is limiting activations, that makes it so much better.... This means it is ALL Origin games now... 




    The only people affected by this are either people running benchmarks, or those sharing accounts (which is essentially piracy).
     
    I don't see the problem at all; it's only hurting like 0.000000001% of legitimate users.


    Again, even if you don't have a problem with it, wouldn't you like this information upfront so you can decide for yourself? 


    @chrisdglong, you did buy BFH, didn't you? No matter what EA does or doesn't do, you will also buy their games and you will always find something to complain about! Again, not trying to pick on you.  Sorry but I had to say it so maybe you will help yourself out and NOT buy any EA games in the future?
     


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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/27 17:02:31 (permalink)
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    This isn't true. See here:

    http://www.pcgamer.com/ba...e-an-activation-limit/

    Oh, so it is Origin that is limiting activations, that makes it so much better.... This means it is ALL Origin games now... 




    The only people affected by this are either people running benchmarks, or those sharing accounts (which is essentially piracy).
     
    I don't see the problem at all; it's only hurting like 0.000000001% of legitimate users.


    Again, even if you don't have a problem with it, wouldn't you like this information upfront so you can decide for yourself? 


    @chrisdglong, you did buy BFH, didn't you? No matter what EA does or doesn't do, you will also buy their games and you will always find something to complain about! Again, not trying to pick on you.  Sorry but I had to say it so maybe you will help yourself out and NOT buy any EA games in the future?
     


    What are you trying to troll? I ignored you the first time you wrote this for a reason. 
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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/28 06:46:09 (permalink)
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    This isn't true. See here:

    http://www.pcgamer.com/ba...e-an-activation-limit/

    Oh, so it is Origin that is limiting activations, that makes it so much better.... This means it is ALL Origin games now... 

    But how many people install the same game on more than 5 computers within 24 hours?  I never have and I doubt 99% of people will except benchmarking websites.  So yes, it does make it much better than what people were getting all worked up about before knowing the actual truth.


    Regardless, it is still EA not being upfront with what they are doing/limiting. 


    chrisdglong - you always complain about EA and their games (I'm not defending them), but why you keep buying their games and keep complaining about them?  Simple solution - maybe don't buy their games?  I'm not trying to pick on you but you have complained about every BF games!
     
    EA should just keep track of the motherboard changes.

    Chris has a point and that is why I stopped buying EA games. While it's true that most people wont experience an issue with this that doesnt make it OK for EA to do it. Even Microsoft isnt that bad when it comes to Windows licenses (pretty sure it only checks for motherboard changes). The only way publishers/developers are going to listen to consumers' when it comes to DRM is to stop buying their games. I stopped buying Ubisoft games because uPlay would refuse to acknowledge my CD keys I bought through Steam. I'm sure they're aware of the issue and just dont care because it's still happening.
     
    To be honest I would like to play Battlefield with you guys but I dont want to give EA money. The day they make Origin optional to play their games is the day i'll be back.

     
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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/28 08:28:25 (permalink)
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    Chris has a point and that is why I stopped buying EA games. While it's true that most people wont experience an issue with this that doesnt make it OK for EA to do it. Even Microsoft isnt that bad when it comes to Windows licenses (pretty sure it only checks for motherboard changes). The only way publishers/developers are going to listen to consumers' when it comes to DRM is to stop buying their games. I stopped buying Ubisoft games because uPlay would refuse to acknowledge my CD keys I bought through Steam. I'm sure they're aware of the issue and just dont care because it's still happening.
     
    To be honest I would like to play Battlefield with you guys but I dont want to give EA money. The day they make Origin optional to play their games is the day i'll be back.


    Did people. Forget when Microsoft launched the XBox One announcement, and told everyone that games would be downloaded? They said, "if you buy a game, it is good for thay console, and if you want to play it at a buddies house, they must pay full price for it as well. You alsoust ping XBox server once every 24 hours to be able to use your XBox One, or it won't allow you to play."

    Right after, Playststion ran an awesome. Smear campaign picking on Microsoft for not being able to share games with a friend, in which they showed a Playststion user hand another Playststion user the disc without having to purchase it.

    So, Microsoft was trying to be worse than EA, and the end user denied them that right.

    I won't buy hard-line. I tried the beta for about an hour, and it was just silly. No point in wasting that money, so instead, I bought all of the borderlands for cheaper than hard-line costed, lol.
     
    And don't forget, Microsoft also required the connect to be connected, so it could monitor the number of people in the room as well.  So, "Even Microsoft isn't that bad when it comes to Windows licenses (pretty sure it only checks for motherboard changes)." isn't 100% accurate overall.  They just didn't focus it toward Xbox.  I know when I change anything and reload windows, even with the same hardware, I have to call in to activate windows, because I have used my license key more than once in it's life time.  So, when I call in, I have to tell it that it is only installed on one computer.  Therefore, Microsoft is trying to track exactly how I use it and charge me for every single use.
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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/28 14:17:30 (permalink)
    Rationalizing EA and Origins makes me laugh.
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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/28 15:52:31 (permalink)
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    The day they make Origin optional to play their games is the day i'll be back.

    Do you feel the same way about Valve and Steam?  Because they are the ones that started this whole mandatory DRM shenanigans.
     
    I personally don't like all kinds of DRM, including Steam.  Steam might be the best version of DRM, but it still is DRM.  I wish I could buy games without Steam's DRM, but alas that is just a pipe dream these days.  That is Valve's money maker and will continue to shove it down our throat just like EA does.  But some reason Valve gets praised for it's mandatory DRM.


     
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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/28 18:12:48 (permalink)
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    This isn't true. See here:

    http://www.pcgamer.com/ba...e-an-activation-limit/

    Oh, so it is Origin that is limiting activations, that makes it so much better.... This means it is ALL Origin games now... 




    The only people affected by this are either people running benchmarks, or those sharing accounts (which is essentially piracy).
     
    I don't see the problem at all; it's only hurting like 0.000000001% of legitimate users.


    Again, even if you don't have a problem with it, wouldn't you like this information upfront so you can decide for yourself? 


    True. I also suppose logically I would prefer that my doctor tell me that my medication may cause gas if I'm an identical triplet, pregnant, albino pigmy...

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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/29 09:38:49 (permalink)
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    The day they make Origin optional to play their games is the day i'll be back.

    Do you feel the same way about Valve and Steam?  Because they are the ones that started this whole mandatory DRM shenanigans.
     
    I personally don't like all kinds of DRM, including Steam.  Steam might be the best version of DRM, but it still is DRM.  I wish I could buy games without Steam's DRM, but alas that is just a pipe dream these days.  That is Valve's money maker and will continue to shove it down our throat just like EA does.  But some reason Valve gets praised for it's mandatory DRM.

    I've never had an issue with Steam. I can even play games in offline mode unlike some of the competitors. Steam scanning your hardware is optional.

    As far as Microsoft goes I was talking about PC software. I know how atrocious they can be with the Xbox platform, thats why I sold my 360 and have no desire to buy another Xbox. Kudos to Sony for forcing them to make changes but they're not entirely great either since you have to pay to play online on the PS4.

     
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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/29 20:24:15 (permalink)
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    I've never had an issue with Steam. I can even play games in offline mode unlike some of the competitors. Steam scanning your hardware is optional.

    Not talking about issues with Steam, although I have had plenty like not being able to play offline sometimes and their terrible support.  Talking about DRM.  You say that you won't play Battlefield because Origin is required.  Valve was the first one to start this practice with Steam.  Just try to buy a Valve game and not be FORCED to use Steam.  Many games now force you to use Steam.  I just find it funny people complain about EA and forcing Origin, but praise Valve and don't condemn them for doing and starting the same thing; kind of hypocritical.


     
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    Re: Battlefield Hardline, comes with "Ghastly DRM" 2015/03/29 21:32:17 (permalink)
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    I've never had an issue with Steam. I can even play games in offline mode unlike some of the competitors. Steam scanning your hardware is optional.

    Not talking about issues with Steam, although I have had plenty like not being able to play offline sometimes and their terrible support.  Talking about DRM.  You say that you won't play Battlefield because Origin is required.  Valve was the first one to start this practice with Steam.  Just try to buy a Valve game and not be FORCED to use Steam.  Many games now force you to use Steam.  I just find it funny people complain about EA and forcing Origin, but praise Valve and don't condemn them for doing and starting the same thing; kind of hypocritical.


    Steam adds value for the user, a set of services that add value. Origin is basically just DRM. Why do you think Origin has yet to change, or add much?
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