mistermister
So... if, say, Diane Sawyer decided to drop F bombs on the nightly news it'll be kosher, because "freedom of the press"?

Regardless, if you're posting here you agreed to the TOS. There really isn't any way around that.

Federal/State laws/Amendment Rights/Freedom of the Press>TOS on a public forums.
 
Show me I am wrong. If I was saying those things then yes I would be wrong, unless I was the press.
 
Also Nordic limiting the press with this being a US Site/US Company they do fall under freedom of speech/freedom of the press on the internet.
Now if this site and the company was based in china/japan/germany where ever then yes those things do not apply to a public US forum.
Also censoring the press in the matter EVGA has done, also hurts his potential audience and income, opening up a whole new can of worms in that department if he so desired. But that is none of my business. Just like a TOS on software on the state or even federal level those laws triumph over a software TOS when they are in violate of. In the end even on something like this if it would go to court you start off with state, then you just keep going up if it is not resolved eventually sitting in front of a federal judge. You as a lawyer should know that.

 these 2 are funny.  More posts were taken down than the mod said, its a conspiracy! 
 
Why do you keep bringing up BF4 videos that were also taken down for TOS?  You are just proving my point that videos with cursing is against the TOS and are taken down.  Anyone can post a bad review about the game, nothing wrong with that.  Again, you just have to make sure it is within the TOS, not sure what is so hard to grasp about that. Oh no, I don't have someone's respect over the internet, what shall I ever do?!
 
By the way, freedom of press is about the GOVERNMENT not being able to censor the media or others.  Not about private corporations censoring what is put on their websites, which they are able to do.
 
Back on topic.  I don't own Hard line and agree with the negative things said about it, it only needing to be a mod.  I won't be getting this game until it is priced like a DLC.

atfrico
Donta, there is a loophole on this censorship and you know it, private or public, it does not matter, rules/laws still apply as long as you are in the U.S. and abide by its laws (bill of rights). There is more to it to discuss on this topic trust me. You are right and let just leave it at that.
 
The one who laugh last, laugh the hardest...keep that in mind.  Don't waste your time on people who cant prove you are wrong.  Pay attention to the ones who can prove you right

+1 
Say I feel my rights and freedoms are being violated because of this TOS. If I felt the need to,  It would be me filing against EVGA in the US a US company, on US housed server so it would fall under US law. I would go up the channels in the judicial system and if it kept going I or even if it was you would be sitting in front of a federal judge, and the laws of the bill of rights and our constitution would be brought into play for the final word. Would I do it? Nope probably not, does not mean someone else will not do it, especially someone running a company where his income is derived from his articles/videos of reviews for consumers where EVGA's censorship is potentially hurting his income. It would once again start off small and keep going until its at the federal government level if it does not get resolved. Also freedom of the press would come into play. A big can of worms... Like I could make a website make up a funny little TOS that takes away peoples rights in some areas, say someone is dead set on going after me, eventually it would go to court, and I would lose because of the constitution and the bill of rights by the decree of a federal judge, or it just keeps going and it goes up the channels. Same goes for freedom of the press in this instance... Its really that simple so if I am wrong please post facts, laws, cases, that prove me wrong? Feel free to pm me to keep this post clean. 
 
OP once again avoid this game like the plague...

chrisdglong

ManBearPig
 
 
By the way, freedom of press is about the GOVERNMENT not being able to censor the media or others.  Not about private corporations censoring what is put on their websites, which they are able to do.
 
 

This ^... Companies can do whatever they want on private property. They can also tell you to leave if you don't follow their setup rules of so-called censorship. This is the way it should be too. Otherwise, the government would be able to come into your house and enforce whatever rules they want without probable cause that a law was broke. 

+1. Private company. Private space. You have to abide by their rules to use their service. When you post here on the forums, you are directly accessing and modifying data on their server. EVGA only allows you the right to access and modify information on their server if you follow their rules. If you cause any form of data to exist on their server which they have restricted, they have every right to remove that unwanted data and can even prevent you from being able to do it again in the future.

By "negative review" you mean a video, which violates the TOS several times over, and also comments relating to the video that lose all context when the video is removed?  If someone posted a positive review of the game (if any exist) that also contains profanity, then it would also be removed.  The issue isn't whether the review was positive or negative; the issue is that the video contained quite a bit of profanity.  It's a nice try to make this issue into something that it isn't, but at the end of the day, no video posted by members with that much swearing is going to be permitted on the forums (unless prior approval is obtained from EVGA), regardless of who or whom its directed at.
 
If someone wants to post on-topic positive or negative reviews that don't otherwise violate the forum TOS, then by all means, go for it.  

What are you talking about Atfrico?  The only comments taken down after the video was removed were mine about the video (which would be out of context without the the video), Chris saying that he agreed with Joe (which would be out of context again), and mister asking how could someone sit through the 40 minute video (which would again be out of context).  There weren't any negative comments directed towards the game that was removed besides Dontas, but it was violating the TOS.

??? I brought a valid answer.  There were NO negative comments directed towards the game that were taken down.  The only comments taken down were the ones directed towards the video which would be out of context without it.  You need to take your own advice; move along.

NordicJedi
no video posted by members with that much swearing is going to be permitted on the forums (unless prior approval is obtained from EVGA)

 
LMAO, who do I contact to get this ball rolling?

ManBearPig

atfrico
just because you are a so called EGC Admin, doesn't give you the right to act like a Moderator. To me, your answers are repetitive over and over and doesn't help or assist in any way to the argument I still trying to find answers to. You don't know the facts, I do, there is a reason I say move along.  Because there are 2 conclusions I have, either 1. fanboyism towards EA, 2. just plain hurt about those comment directed at the game.

Lol your answers are just as repetive.  You keep on saying there were negative comments that were removed, yet there wasn't.  I have no fanboyism towards EA, don't like their practices, but do Enjoy some of their games.  Not hurt at all about the game, don't own it and won't be buying for a while if at all.

If the mods, specially the one who remove those comments cant come up with a straight answer, why would you? I am being repetitive because apparently some people don't know how to read my posts correctly, you included. So are you going to keep posting something I already know but you don't have a clue on? Again for the last time move along.  I am reading the TOS and there is certain things in the general discussion area that do not seem proper for my kid, or anyone's to read. 

You said you have the facts.  So where are these facts???  Whose comment was taken down???  What was the comment???

Fact is this game is worthless junk, and this thread is now back on topic

atfrico

NordicJedi
I'm not sure what you're asking for, atfrico.  I posted what was deleted earlier in the thread.  Are any of those what you mean by "negative reviews"?  Xray removed at least two images in posts, one after the deletions.  Is one of those what you consider "negative reviews"?  Otherwise, mods have removed nothing else from the thread.  If you saw something that was removed beyond what I've described, please PM me what you saw, and I'll have Rob look into it.  Or, just simply PM Rob with what you think is missing.
 
You're being incredibly vague about what's missing - or, at least, what you consider "negative reviews" - and while I'd like to look into it, I have seen nothing else go missing from the thread.  

By the time I got to read Donta's video that was removed I saw 2 to 3 pages members posting the game is trash, not going to bother, etc. Some where with profanity in it which I understand, but like some Mods in this forum, all they do is eliminate the profanity and not the posts, I'd seen that a couple of times, profanity removed, warnings given. keep on going as long as it is by the TOS, but some posts just spoke bad about the game and were removed. I just want to know if that is going to be enforced? I can not comment on a game because someone with power does not like it? I mean if that's the case, why even bother even giving an advice to a member about a game.

I'll ask Rob to look into this.  I'm not sure if he'll find anything, but he will look.  There's no reason under the TOS to remove posts for providing a negative opinion of the game.  Posts providing an opinion - positive or negative - and also containing prohibited content, yes, but not simply because of an opinion.   If you're seeing that happen on the forums, anytime, I'd very much like to know.  
 
Now, back on topic.

NordicJedi

atfrico

NordicJedi
I'm not sure what you're asking for, atfrico.  I posted what was deleted earlier in the thread.  Are any of those what you mean by "negative reviews"?  Xray removed at least two images in posts, one after the deletions.  Is one of those what you consider "negative reviews"?  Otherwise, mods have removed nothing else from the thread.  If you saw something that was removed beyond what I've described, please PM me what you saw, and I'll have Rob look into it.  Or, just simply PM Rob with what you think is missing.
 
You're being incredibly vague about what's missing - or, at least, what you consider "negative reviews" - and while I'd like to look into it, I have seen nothing else go missing from the thread.  

By the time I got to read Donta's video that was removed I saw 2 to 3 pages members posting the game is trash, not going to bother, etc. Some where with profanity in it which I understand, but like some Mods in this forum, all they do is eliminate the profanity and not the posts, I'd seen that a couple of times, profanity removed, warnings given. keep on going as long as it is by the TOS, but some posts just spoke bad about the game and were removed. I just want to know if that is going to be enforced? I can not comment on a game because someone with power does not like it? I mean if that's the case, why even bother even giving an advice to a member about a game.

I'll ask Rob to look into this.  I'm not sure if he'll find anything, but he will look.  There's no reason under the TOS to remove posts for providing a negative opinion of the game.  Posts providing an opinion - positive or negative - and also containing prohibited content, yes, but not simply because of an opinion.   If you're seeing that happen on the forums, anytime, I'd very much like to know.  
 
Now, back on topic.

It wasn't happening. EVGA is great about letting people discuss opinions, positive or negative. 

Hey, it is completely up to the administrators of EVGA with what happens to this thread and or posts with in a thread, but this thread was totally intended on battlefield hardline feedback. Not about what is and what isnt against TOS. If you do not know what is or isnt against TOS you have NO BUSINESS posting anywhere on these forums. Lets knock the crap out and get back on topic before the thread gets locked. 
 
If any posts were deleted or edited I can say with out a doubt that it was because the post was against evga's TOS. Evga is NO WAY affiliated with EA if I am not mistaken, therefor they would not benefit from removing negative feedback about this game. Please do not knock the admins of this server for most of them are just people like us. Obviously all of them are people like us, but some don't even work for evga and take the time out of their own day to assist us all on these forums. So please lets keep this thread cleaner and stop bashin on non sense that has non business here. EVGA mods are by far the best mods I have ever dealt with. They are understanding and compassionate enough to remove or edit your posts which may or may not be against TOS. A lot of other forums would just take your high post count accounts and delete or lock them for breaking rules. 
 
This is corny a nd will prolly be bashed, but do onto others as you would want them to do on to you! Thanks all for your input. 
 
 
Now for my opinion, I have actually been impressed after playing it for a while. I am not sure why I was not impressed when I originally made this thread. But I have been playing BFH every since launch almost daily and I have been loving it. 
 
P.S I apologize to the evga community and mods for having to deal with any non sense that may have come from this. I also apologize for not being active at all in my own thread for the past week I have been extremely occupied and not able to access the internet. Anyhow, Thanks again mods for keeping this as clean as you could and I apologize for any headache it may have caused. 

esCob4r
Hey, it is completely up to the administrators of EVGA with what happens to this thread and or posts with in a thread, but this thread was totally intended on battlefield hardline feedback. Not about what is and what isnt against TOS. If you do not know what is or isnt against TOS you have NO BUSINESS posting anywhere on these forums. Lets knock the crap out and get back on topic before the thread gets locked. 
 
If any posts were deleted or edited I can say with out a doubt that it was because the post was against evga's TOS. Evga is NO WAY affiliated with EA if I am not mistaken, therefor they would not benefit from removing negative feedback about this game. Please do not knock the admins of this server for most of them are just people like us. Obviously all of them are people like us, but some don't even work for evga and take the time out of their own day to assist us all on these forums. So please lets keep this thread cleaner and stop bashin on non sense that has non business here. EVGA mods are by far the best mods I have ever dealt with. They are understanding and compassionate enough to remove or edit your posts which may or may not be against TOS. A lot of other forums would just take your high post count accounts and delete or lock them for breaking rules. 
 
This is corny a nd will prolly be bashed, but do onto others as you would want them to do on to you! Thanks all for your input. 
 
 
Now for my opinion, I have actually been impressed after playing it for a while. I am not sure why I was not impressed when I originally made this thread. But I have been playing BFH every since launch almost daily and I have been loving it. 
 
P.S I apologize to the evga community and mods for having to deal with any non sense that may have come from this. I also apologize for not being active at all in my own thread for the past week I have been extremely occupied and not able to access the internet. Anyhow, Thanks again mods for keeping this as clean as you could and I apologize for any headache it may have caused. 

I also believe backseat moderation is against TOS... Just throwing that out there... All lectures aside, nice to see that you threw a topic related opinion in there.