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2015/03/24 11:27:22 (permalink)
http://www.techpowerup.com/210997/intel-to-launch-just-two-lga1150-broadwell-parts.html
 
Damn, the i7 part will only have a boost clock of 3.7Ghz compared to the i7-4790K 4.4Ghz.  Maybe Intel realized they set the Haswell refresh too high with consumers complaining about overheating at stock setting on those chips?  Time to wait for Skylake.
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    Re: Intel to Launch Just Two LGA1150 "Broadwell" Parts 2015/03/24 12:22:49 (permalink)
    Disappointwell.

     
     
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    Re: Intel to Launch Just Two LGA1150 "Broadwell" Parts 2015/03/24 12:31:00 (permalink)
    Sooooo...  Are the new 5775C's even going to be any faster than the 4790K's? With the clock speed difference, right off the bat it appears they are going to be slower.  They are going to have to make up the difference in architecture.  Curious.

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    Re: Intel to Launch Just Two LGA1150 "Broadwell" Parts 2015/03/24 13:37:25 (permalink)
    I think the 4790K for the frequency vs price is a very good choice. I built a system recently with this CPU for someone else and the system is working great. The temperatures are decent. I did not see a need to OC beyond turning on the option in UEFI to allow all cores to run at up to 4.4 GHz.
     
    Based on the specs of these Broadwell CPUs, I would probably stick with the 4790K if I had to build another system for someone down the road. Of course, Skylake is on the map too. It will be interesting to see how these CPUs perform in comparison and are spec'd.
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    Re: Intel to Launch Just Two LGA1150 "Broadwell" Parts 2015/03/24 13:47:27 (permalink)
    Skylake will probably be a true upgrade to Haswell. And DDR4 prices for entry level kits really aren't too bad compared to high performance DDR3 kits. Memory controllers should have some improvements too since X99.

     
     
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    Re: Intel to Launch Just Two LGA1150 "Broadwell" Parts 2015/03/24 13:57:28 (permalink)
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    Sooooo...  Are the new 5775C's even going to be any faster than the 4790K's? With the clock speed difference, right off the bat it appears they are going to be slower.  They are going to have to make up the difference in architecture.  Curious.


    I believe the architecture is the same, just a die shrink from the 22nm to 14nm and a faster integrated video.  The only chance broadwell has is if it can overclock like a beast.  The Devil's Canyon chip had very little overclocking headroom and some overheating complaints from consumers that were not overclocking, so maybe Intel pulled back on the stock settings leaving lots of OC headroom?  Will have to wait and see, but with skylake coming a couple months later, it seems like the obvious choice is to wait a bit longer.

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    Re: Intel to Launch Just Two LGA1150 "Broadwell" Parts 2015/03/24 19:40:08 (permalink)
    I remember when I bought my Z97 motherboard and 4790K thinking that at least I can upgrade to Broadwell too.  Well played Intel...
     
    On the other hand, not much to complain about since my 4790K will most likely easily handle games for years to come.

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    Re: Intel to Launch Just Two LGA1150 "Broadwell" Parts 2015/03/24 19:47:06 (permalink)
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    I remember when I bought my Z97 motherboard and 4790K thinking that at least I can upgrade to Broadwell too.  Well played Intel...
     
    On the other hand, not much to complain about since my 4790K will most likely easily handle games for years to come.


    The last time Intel did this going from sandy bridge to ivy bridge, it made no sense to upgrade the CPU unless you were going from a sandy bridge i5 to a ivy bridge i7.  Since this ability to upgrade is due to using the same architecture with just a die shrink.  So whenever Intel does this I am fairly certain it will never be worth a marginal performance gain if any.  Money would of been better spent just buying a faster CPU when Intel releases new architecture. 

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    Re: Intel to Launch Just Two LGA1150 "Broadwell" Parts 2015/03/24 19:53:54 (permalink)
    Being as I was coming from an i7-920 at 3.6, my choices were the 4790K or the 5960X.  Being as my rig is used for gaming only, I went with the 4790K.  I'm thinking I should get a good few years out of this before I even have to consider upgrading it again.  

     
    It was just a pleasant thought that if Broadwell came out to be a spectacular chip, I could switch to it...but now not so much.  I probably won't upgrade until I start noticing GPU bottlenecks.

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    Re: Intel to Launch Just Two LGA1150 "Broadwell" Parts 2015/03/24 23:43:39 (permalink)
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    Being as I was coming from an i7-920 at 3.6, my choices were the 4790K or the 5960X.  Being as my rig is used for gaming only, I went with the 4790K.  I'm thinking I should get a good few years out of this before I even have to consider upgrading it again.  
     
    It was just a pleasant thought that if Broadwell came out to be a spectacular chip, I could switch to it...but now not so much.  I probably won't upgrade until I start noticing GPU bottlenecks.




     
     
    you also have the option of getting a X5650 - X5670 xeon 6 core, 12 thread cpu that can overclock to 4.X ghz easily for only 60-140 bucks
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    Re: Intel to Launch Just Two LGA1150 "Broadwell" Parts 2015/03/25 00:36:27 (permalink)
    While they both have the letter "C", they are unlocked, so we can raise the clocks, who cares what it debuts at?  

    That said, the lower frequency could be a hint at marketing, I don't think Intel wants to sacrifice Haswell LGA1150 sales [just yet].  Granted like Ivy Bridge, Broadwell could have a minor CPU-bound <10% improvement that won't show up in games.  That said, we aren't looking at a shrink of, say, Devil's Canyon (8MB L3 cache die).  We're looking at the shrink of a mobile CPU+IGP (Crystalwell, due to the 6MB L3 cache), but fused into a pin-compatible LGA1150 socket.  Intel is either saving those dies for another platform or they were never part of the plan.
     
    As for Skylake, my guess:
    • It will have at least the 10-15% ICP gains that Haswell had from Sandy Bridge.
    • Have a larger L3 cache memory to boost performance, maybe the quad-core will have 12MB; this will add 5-8% performance.
    • Like Sandy Bridge from Nehalem, Skylake could debut with higher starting frequency to make it seem worth it.
      • Last time, the 10-15% ICP from Nehalem coupled with the 28% frequency boost resulted in what many reviews regarded as a >40% gain from i7-920 to i7-2600K.  Everyone fell for an Intel factory overclock, they could again-- except if they wanted our attention on Broadwell-C for a while, then Skylake could debut at a lower clock.  Like I said, debut frequency won't matter if it is unlocked.
    Granted Skylake quads are purported to be 95W unlike the 65W Broadwell quad-core, due to Skylake's bigger IGP: At 72-eu and DDR4-2400 (w/ eDRAM running equal to DDR4), it will perform on par with a GTX560 SE.  Nothing to do with the CPU, but Intel has to consider it into TDP.

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    Re: Intel to Launch Just Two LGA1150 "Broadwell" Parts 2015/03/25 04:58:16 (permalink)
    I get the feeling these might be intended for laptop use...
    Look at the clocks and TDP, the combination just screams for a Laptop...
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    Re: Intel to Launch Just Two LGA1150 "Broadwell" Parts 2015/03/25 05:17:13 (permalink)
    i love my I7 4790.
    in power management i have my plan set to high performance, i am using a corsair H-100 for cooling.
    after 3 hours of gaming real temp shows my cpu high temp was 70cel. and that was at a 4.6o/c



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    Re: Intel to Launch Just Two LGA1150 "Broadwell" Parts 2015/03/26 01:49:27 (permalink)
    lehpronGranted Skylake quads are purported to be 95W unlike the 65W Broadwell quad-core, due to Skylake's bigger IGP:

    I would love, and also kind of hate, to see Intel match the iGPU performance of Kaveri on a chip that at the same wattage runs circles in sheer I/O power.

     
     
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    Re: Intel to Launch Just Two LGA1150 "Broadwell" Parts 2015/03/26 12:39:07 (permalink)
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    lehpronGranted Skylake quads are purported to be 95W unlike the 65W Broadwell quad-core, due to Skylake's bigger IGP:
    I would love, and also kind of hate, to see Intel match the iGPU performance of Kaveri on a chip that at the same wattage runs circles in sheer I/O power.
    In 3DMark11 scores, Kaveri's 512-sp gets a score of 2302 while Iris Pro HD5200 gets a score of 1957.  Broadwell would close the gap with 48-eu against 40-eu, and having the Core i5-5675C for LGA1150 effectively threatens Kaveri's monopoly of having the best APU per dollar.  At least I'm hoping it is down in the $200 range.  Even the i5-4570R was soldered on and that system was expensive.

    Hypothetically Carrizo would extend AMD's lead in IGP, but it isn't coming to desktop, so Broadwell has the lead and so will Skylake by a fair margin (possibly a 3DMark11 score of 3000, equivalent to a GTX675M) unless AMD does something with SkyBridge this fall/winter.  I'd like to think they will refresh Carrizo and port it into desktop, I'd also like to think it will be shrunk further to 20nm or even using HBM; but I don't know.
     
    The only reason Iris Pro works out so well is because of the cache memory, it triples the available bandwidth from system RAM which (square root of 3 = 1.73) adds a major performance boost comparing HD5100 w/eDRAM with a 3Dmark score of 1151.  Once AMD adds HBM to their APU, the performance should jump like we'll see from R9-290X to R9-390X; AMD could keep the 512-sp and match up with Skylake.  Certainly by the time Zen APUs come, it will be back to a level playing field.  
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    Re: Intel to Launch Just Two LGA1150 "Broadwell" Parts 2015/03/26 20:14:54 (permalink)
    I'm much more interested in Cherry Trail than any of the iterative socket 1150 stuff. I want to pick up one of those dongle sized SoC windows machines or one of those 2GB/64GB tablets for on-the-go use. My Z97 build will have me covered for true PC for awhile.
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    Re: Intel to Launch Just Two LGA1150 "Broadwell" Parts 2015/03/28 12:45:45 (permalink)
    Broadwell-E is going to have PCI-E 4.0, and skylake will only have it for skylake-E as well.  Nothing mentioned regarding if Cannonlake will have PCI-E 4.0 for the mainstream.  But NVIDIA's NVLink is required for Pascal cards with an NVLink connector, safely assume there will be variants with PCI-E 4.0?  But maybe only the Titan series for Pascal will have this feature at first considering it is listed as launching in 2016, but I get a feeling it will launch February 2017 at the earliest since there must be mobos with a NVLink slot for the cards to work.  Havent seen anything about NVLink on Skylake, but it seems it would have to be integrated into motherboards by Cannonlake.  But even then anyone that will want a $1000 Pascal Titan will have to buy a new mobo and cpu if NVLink isnt integrated into mobos until Cannonlake since that launches 2017.
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    Re: Intel to Launch Just Two LGA1150 "Broadwell" Parts 2015/03/28 17:48:31 (permalink)
    I'm interested in the new HD 6200 IGP on those CPU's. I'm pretty impressed with the HD4600's on my i7 4790K when I didn't have a video card due to RMA. It could actually play a few of my games with decent frame rates.

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