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970FTW step-up to 980 standard; worth it?

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2015/03/06 08:16:47 (permalink)
Hi,
 
I am just now reading about the great memory scandal with the 970 cards , lol. I don't use a 4k setup just 1080p. But, EVGA said they will still honor a step-up even though I am 30 days over for a standard 980 (I'm sure Tiger Direct would just laugh at me if I asked for a partial/full refund). Looking at the specs between the two the base speed on the 980 is slower but I'm sure the chipset is better. So, if I can get it for say a $150 difference would it be worth it? I'm not saying I would do this as my 970 works ok (not quite as good as I hoped but ok).
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    Re: 970FTW step-up to 980 standard; worth it? 2015/03/06 08:27:45 (permalink)
    I'd say not worth the 150 (or in most people's cases, the 300) dollar bump in price.  The translation in terms of gameplay difference is 3% in most cases...so about 3-4 FPS.  Both 970 and 980 do not perform well at 4K regardless.  If your 970 is working well, stick with it.  It's more than enough for 1080p to run smoothly, and even in some cases to bump it to 2x DSR and still get excellent performance.

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    Re: 970FTW step-up to 980 standard; worth it? 2015/03/06 09:47:03 (permalink)
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    I'd say not worth the 150 (or in most people's cases, the 300) dollar bump in price.  The translation in terms of gameplay difference is 3% in most cases...so about 3-4 FPS.  Both 970 and 980 do not perform well at 4K regardless.  If your 970 is working well, stick with it.  It's more than enough for 1080p to run smoothly, and even in some cases to bump it to 2x DSR and still get excellent performance.


    Ok, thanks for the reply. I am in no big hurry to go to 4k/SLI and I'll just forget I saw the memory complaints on the 970... maybe . However, it does make a case to check out ATI's offerings next upgrade. The 970 is ok but these cards (seems like upgrades going way back) always seem to dissapoint on some level (turn shadows up; nope still sluggish..."oh, here is volametric smoke that was slow on my 680... nope, still slow on the 970" etc. etc.). I do understand there can be other bottle necks that can impact performance. 
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    Re: 970FTW step-up to 980 standard; worth it? 2015/03/06 14:08:29 (permalink)
    No problem.  I agree with you on the bottlenecks with certain settings on the cards.  A perfect example was Lords of the Fallen.  It was a very poorly optimized game.  It's Turbulence Apex setting offered little to no improvement in visuals but brought a cards like the 970 down to a sluggish 20fps from 60fps normally with everything else maxed out, if it didn't crash the game all together.  Dragon Age Inquisition is another example: when everything is maxed out including 4x MSAA, it runs decently but not optimally.  With 2x MSAA and MFAA, you now have steady 60 fps with essentially the same visual experience.  Enthusiasts will argue that it makes a huge difference in visuals, but when you're sitting 6 feet away from a 50 inch plasma tv like in my case, you won't notice a difference =)

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    Re: 970FTW step-up to 980 standard; worth it? 2015/03/06 15:29:30 (permalink)
    Performance moving from a 970 FTW to a reference 980 GTX Is about 5-8% Gain depending on the title. Is it worth the extra like $200? Not to me anyways....

    From my POV If it doesn't reap at least a 30-35% Gain the price isn't worth it.




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    Re: 970FTW step-up to 980 standard; worth it? 2015/03/06 15:49:12 (permalink)
    Drmarc, I understand what you are saying. With Dragon Age INQ on a PC it was running crappy with my setup (Intel 4770k OC 4400mhz, 16gigs gskill ram, Samsung 840 Pro SSD, Evga 970 FTW). If I had it on Ultra (You can actually set it a little higher than default Ultra too) I got low frames and stuttering. Only after tweaking my trim for the SSD, removing the Rapid Tech software and lowering it to high did it run better. I wonder if I hit that 3.5gig wall with the 970's memory in that game? Right now, I'm miffed at all of this and I may want to do something about it. But, what are the options? Like Squall says $200+ more for marginal performance boosts sounds out of line. A partial refund would  be best for me but again TG would just laugh at me probably. I see NewEgg has the 790 FTW for $354 now too, nice.
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    Re: 970FTW step-up to 980 standard; worth it? 2015/03/06 16:04:49 (permalink)
    I have a much older processor and less ram than you, and I am running at 50-60 fps even in places like Hinterlands.  I can give you a few pointers that may help optimize you in DAI.  First, my rig and some software optimizing I had to do.
     
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    In NVIDIA, my PhysX is through the 970 (not my processor, this is very important as it improved my experience drastically)
     
    As for the game, there's a few options that should be turned off when you tick to ultra.  The most important is turning OFF post-process anti-aliasing.  You use that in place of MSAA, not in addition to.  It pretty much tries to render 2 types of anti-aliasing while just using one of them.  It even says in the description to be used in place of MSAA.  Big performance boost here.  Also, turning HBAO full to just HBAO gave me another 5-6 fps with no visual difference as far as I could appreciate.
     
    If none of this works, you can try to substitute MSAA with post-process anti-aliasing, and using 2x DSR.  This will improve your performance significantly and while the image quality takes a small hit, it's comparable.  With your computer though, it should have no problem running this game the way I do from a hardware standpoint.  and FYI, a single 980 will not run this game smoothly at 60 FPS when you try to crank it to ultra with 4x MSAA.  2 cards in SLI will.
     
    I hope some of this does the trick for you.  It's really not a well optimized game lol.

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    Re: 970FTW step-up to 980 standard; worth it? 2015/03/06 16:05:19 (permalink)
    Lol, TG told me to call EVGA. EVGA is offering an extended step-up but I don't want the basic 980. If they had some other 980 options then maybe I would go that route. I'm going to contact Nvidia directly.
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    Re: 970FTW step-up to 980 standard; worth it? 2015/03/06 16:18:48 (permalink)
    Thanks Drmarc, I'm going to think this over (and read some more) this weekend.
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    Re: 970FTW step-up to 980 standard; worth it? 2015/03/12 02:33:22 (permalink)
    Hi there.
     
    I'm currently in the same position as you are. I ordered a 970 FTW back in 2014 (before the announcement of the FTW+ and the whole 3.5GB fiasco).
    My step-up ends this month, but I wasn't sure if I should stick with the 970 or move to the 980. Stepping up to the 980 will cost me an additional 100 Euro (including the shipment).
    Since money isn't an issue in this case, I think this would be a good choice. Currently I don't own a 4k setup (and I don't plan to get one in the next few months, perhaps next year?) I just want to be able, to play current games all maxed out on my current 1080p setup.
     
    But I'm also not happy with the choice of a standard GTX 980, I'd be ready to pay more, if I could step-up to a more powerful model of this series. 
    So please, let me know what happened during your negotiations with Nvidia =)
     
    Another idea would be, to step-up to the GTX 970 + and sell it afterwards. That way I’d have to pay more (in the end), but I could choose whatever Card/Model I'd like... (I still have to do my math, if stepping up to a GTX 970+ without additional costs, or paying the additional 100 bucks for the GTX 980 is the better deal, to sell it afterwards. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I could imagine, that there aren’t as many people out there interested into the default GTX 980 as into the GTX 970+, so I think the 970 is the better deal for reselling)
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    Re: 970FTW step-up to 980 standard; worth it? 2015/03/12 04:12:00 (permalink)
    You could always work a return with EVGA of the 970 FTW and then order whatever card you want.  I was contemplating doing that and getting 980 FTW, but I settled with the 970 FTW+ step-up.

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    Re: 970FTW step-up to 980 standard; worth it? 2015/03/12 08:31:58 (permalink)
    i was debating also and i just did it and i personley
    dont regreat it i get ftw speed just by adding +153 to gpu and it runs
    good doesent get hot are throdle wheen i stresed it .
    then again i might have just got luckey because mine boostes to 1268
    vs the stock 1216 at stock settings.
     

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    Re: 970FTW step-up to 980 standard; worth it? 2015/03/12 08:40:15 (permalink)
    Hi all,
     
    EVGA is only giving me the option for the base model that I don't want. They said they would try to get me a refund and at that point I would probably just get the 980FTW. I am still miffed about the 970 memory but at the same time not fully motivated to return the card. A refund was the last thing I wanted to do. I was thinking about calling EVGA to speak to support about it again today.  
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    Re: 970FTW step-up to 980 standard; worth it? 2015/03/12 08:49:13 (permalink)
    i called them 3 times they wouldnt let me step up two a diffrent model eather
    i finaley gave in good luck.

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    Re: 970FTW step-up to 980 standard; worth it? 2015/03/12 15:35:39 (permalink)
    I went for a refund. The 970 issue just gave me a negative vibe that wouldn't go away so this will nip it in the bud. EVGA may be taking the brunt of this as I doubt Tiger Direct helped; thanks EVGA. I went ahead and ordered the EVGA 980 FTW from Newegg today. So, this issue is solved as far as I'm concerned.
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    Re: 970FTW step-up to 980 standard; worth it? 2015/03/13 04:04:11 (permalink)
    Ok thanks for the feedback. I also thinking of getting the refund. GTX 980 FTW just is much more tempting then the stock model =)
    I assume we'll get the money the card is worth now, and not the price we paid 2 -3 months ago, am I right?
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    Re: 970FTW step-up to 980 standard; worth it? 2015/03/13 06:59:16 (permalink)
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    Ok thanks for the feedback. I also thinking of getting the refund. GTX 980 FTW just is much more tempting then the stock model =)
    I assume we'll get the money the card is worth now, and not the price we paid 2 -3 months ago, am I right?


    I should be getting back the full value of the card minus any shipping and taxes. There was no shipping or taxes initially from Tiger Direct. I also have a back plate (Free, minus shipping) that I never installed and Far Cry 4 (told I could keep that from the promo last fall). To send it back ground in the US with insurance will cost around $20+. The 980FTW will be here Monday (3/16).
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    Re: 970FTW step-up to 980 standard; worth it? 2015/03/13 08:15:39 (permalink)
    I'll contact EVGA support directly, to ask how this works in Switzerland =) Thanks again for the input of the refund, to be honest, I never thought about this option. The choice between the GTX 970 FTW + or a stock GTX 980 was bugging me since a few weeks now. Glad there is a third option ;)
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