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2015/02/02 14:22:24 (permalink)
Hello all,

I have a special issue with my RAM. When I bought it and installed it I went in the BIOS to set the XMP profile #1. Everything was working fine so I began to play with the overcloking on the CPU only. At one point trying to get my 4790K to 5.0ghz my PC didn't want to boot. I reset the CMOS and went back to set back my XMP profile. At that point, I was not able to load windows at all. BSOD over and over. I tought I've screw Windows up so I said to myself to reinstall windows cause it was already a fresh install (all updates done). I insert my Windows Cd to boot on it but... BSOD while loading the install. I was afraid that it was my SSD the problem but even when I tried on my HDD I was getting those BSOD again and again. I've restored CMOS once again and didn'T change the XMP profile this time and my windows booted like a new on my SSD without having to reinstall. From now on I can get up to 2400mhz with my ram by clocking it automaticly but when I tried 2600mhz I get those BSOD again.The XMP profile won't work at all anymore. My RAM is ADATA XPG V2 16gb (8x2) 2600mhz. I did check the ram with memtest and it passes everything execpt while on XMP profile. It doesn't pass 1 test. How can I be sure that it'S really a RAM problem and not the motherboard itself. I've asked around and no one can really tell me if it's the RAM or the board. I just don'T want to send it for and RMA cause they will make some test and if the test passes on their side I will now know that it's my MoBo that is defect. I do not have any friends having a motherboard that can't test it on XMP profile on their system.

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    AKToronto
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/02/03 08:24:18 (permalink)
    This is most likely an issue that requires increasing memory related voltages to the CPU... Haswell CPUs are technically only rated for up to 1600, and when you start overclocking (even with XMP) this may be important to adjust. XMP only adjusts memory related stuff not CPU voltages. Try manually adjusting the voltage offsets of VSA, VIO-D and VIO-A. try 0.100 offsets to start. To a lesser extent I have also heard that cache voltage (ie Ring voltage) may also be needed. Try inputting an override voltage here if the other adjustments aren't cutting it.
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/02/03 13:27:24 (permalink)
    I was able to test my Ram on an Asus Z97-A with the XMP profile and everything was working fine. I will go try to set the VSA, VIO-D and VIO-A at 0.100 and will add up gradualy if it still doesn't work. What bugs me the most is that on first boot of my new RIG everything was working fine with the XMP profile. Now I cannot use it at all. Hope playing with the voltage will fix this issue. Maybe it's just a compatibility of this RAM of the Z97 Classified board. Maybe EVGA will bring a new BIOS update that will take charge my ram eventually.
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/02/03 14:21:26 (permalink)
    I cant say for sure since my overclocking experience on ASUS boards is fairly limited, but EVGA may simply be a bit more conservative with their "auto" settings on the voltages. It seems you may need a bit more experience to overclock on the EVGA to dial things in manually, but for me its been an excellent way to learn about overclocking (rather than hitting an OC button, etc). I hear MSI and ASUS make things fairly straight forward so that you can leave most things on auto (although that may have an impact on long term performance, etc).
     
    Part of these conservative "auto" values I think actually has to do with legal issues, although this is my own opinion. EVGA is an American company and Americans are known to be much more litigious than other jurisdictions (ie they sue more). My guess is that while they wanted to get into the overclocking market, their legal team likely advised them to be conservative with voltages, one touch overclocking, etc, to avoid class action suits, etc. Its much harder to sue (especially a class action) if you have to dial in settings manually, rather than sue via a class action on the basis of an overclocking algorithm that leads to a large number of chips failing in the long run. This is only speculation though...
     
    As for RAM and XMP, all I can say is I am using a Team Vulcan dual channel kit with a 2133 XMP... Team is a fairly minor player in the RAM game, but with some minor voltage tweaks on a Pentium G3258 (which doesn't even officially support 1600) I was able to get the XMP working great.
     
    I would be surprised if its a BIOS issue since ADATA is still fairly well recognized provider.
    post edited by AKToronto - 2015/02/03 14:23:44
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/02/04 08:25:19 (permalink)
    AKToronto, I just wanna say thanks. I went playing with those CPU voltage and now my ram is detected while on XMP profile. REally happy to see that it's not an hardware problem but just some fine tuning on the MoBo itself. I'm not really use to play with those voltage and I didn'T want to screw anything around. Now it works like a charm and all because of you. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/02/05 14:12:59 (permalink)
    Unfortunately, after a day, the same problem came again. Went to play with the voltage again and can'T make it work at 2600mhz. On other forums I can read that maybe the mobo itself isn'T totally compatible with the RAM at that speed. It might work but won'T be stable at all. When I was able to make it work, I wasn't able to pass a memtest or even a Prime95 without some errors. I contacted EVGA and ADATA about my problems and both of them told me to contact the manufacturer of the ram or the manufacturer of the board. EVGA did tell me pretty much the same about voltage and tweaks to be able to make it work. Wish I could be able to get those exact voltage to input in my BIOS to be able to make it work with stability. I sended an email to the store where I bought my RAM to make an exchange for some 2666 Gskill that is supported by the board. Hope they will let me do this exchange. For now, if anyone know a bit more about those issue I would really appreciate a little help to make it work with the correct voltage inputs.
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/02/06 10:18:20 (permalink)
    Have you tried using an override on cache (RING) voltage? Its not as important as those other voltages, but I have heard it can help... Ive set mine at a 1.24 override and its worked well.
     
    I would be surprised if the mobo couldn't handle those speeds.... Its supposed to be an overclocking board... But yes, things can get finicky at high overclocks.... Good luck!
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/02/11 09:18:39 (permalink)
    After a couple of days I've decided to RMA the kit and buy one that is supported on the EVGA website. I bought : Gskill F3-2666C11Q-16GTXD. Now Instead of just getting the error 55 at first boot (memory not installed) I can go in BIOS without any problem. But can't boot windows or make a clean install. BSOD while booting or when trying to reinstall. I just don't get it. On Gskill website my mobo is supported and on EVGA website the RAM is supported. What am I doing wrong. I'm just putting in XMP profile #1 in bios and leaving everything in auto mode. I was able to boot with XMP profile with only 1 stick of 4gb. Any of them will boot if there is only one plugged in. At the moment I put 2 or more DIMM I just can't boot. I'm running the ram now at 1866mhz (8-9-8-24 at 1.658v) and it runs fine. I would like to make it work at 2666mhz instead. Any ideas???

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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/02/12 10:01:11 (permalink)
    I believe JacobF is running the same ram. PM him I am sure he could help.




     
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/02/12 11:59:24 (permalink)
    Lol. Can't send PM until I reach 10 posts. Can you PM him for me please. I would like to get in touch with him.
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/02/12 15:44:19 (permalink)
    Got it, I sent him a message.




     
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/02/13 10:49:46 (permalink)
    I spoke with Jacob and his is a Z87 Classy, but I think he is running the same or similar RAM, and he said XMP and that was it.  My experience with Z97 Classy I have used as a test system/work bench I had no problem getting to 2666, I went .1v higher on VDIMM to get it from 1866 or 2000 to 2666.
    The other steps you have taken should have gotten it to work, it is possible it is a board issue, but frankly, I think it is IMC.  My old X58 was the same way, I had to dump voltage into it to stabilize it at 1600, it otherwise clocked AMAZINGLY well, and the other halfs X58 I could hit 2k on the memory at less voltage, sometimes it is just an chip.
     
    Are you trying these memory speeds when overclocking already?
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/02/16 14:42:16 (permalink)
    No It's at stock speed. I've been ableto boot windows with a lot of manual setting with the ram but extremely unstable. computer will make a BSOD afater about an hour on desktop while doing nothing. Primes 95 and AIDA64 fail after seconds or BSOD. Games will run for 5 to 10 minutes and crash after. It's like I just can't handle this speed at all. I've made a RMA on the CPU cause eveyone tells me that it'S due to a weak IMC. ill let you know when ill get a replacement (if Intel sends me one) if that was the problem bur for now im running at 2200mhz with this timing: 9-11-11-29 1N.
    I pass all test without problem. I would really appreciate if someone runs the same run on this board to send me print screen of the settings they have with a 4790K. If possible of course.
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/02/17 12:41:38 (permalink)
    I thought that if you may need to overclock the uncore of your cpu (e.g. Ring Ratio and Ring voltage) if you want the higher memory speeds... usually when you overclock the CPU it auto adjusts these values upwards too so you may not need to do more tinkering but sometimes you need to add additional voltages to stabilize... But if your not overclocking the CPU you may need to manually increase this stuff (e.g. Ring ratio of x40 or more, etc)
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/02/17 14:04:41 (permalink)
    ill give it a shot. ill let you know if it works or not. i was more playing with the VSA, IOA and IOD. Without any luck. So tired of this problem at this point... Hope it's gonna work.
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/02/17 15:28:39 (permalink)
    OP-> I have the same problem with XMP#1 profile on the Z97 FTW with GSkill Trident-X F3-2400C10D-16GTX memory while overlocking the 4770k. I changed to XMP#2 profile and the machine booted and was able to continue over clocking.
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/02/17 15:56:23 (permalink)
    On my side XMP#2 is not supported. It's blank. Thx for the advice. Wish it was that simple bot not :P.
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/02/17 16:11:38 (permalink)
    Hrm, not cool. Well i'd jot down the figures for the XMP#1 profile and then see what the times the manufacturer has on their specs sheet then in the UEFI change from XMP to 'user defined' and plug in some figures.
     
    Example, I mentioned XMP#1 wouldn't work on mine, those figures were :
    10, 12, 12, 31, 7, 10, 26, 7, 43, 2
     
    XMP#2 figures were slightly different:
    10, 12, 12, 31, 6, 9, 26, 7, 43, 2
     
    So the 5th and 6th figures were different, maybe this a basis to work off in order to enter your own values.
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/02/21 08:09:16 (permalink)
    Max, call EVGA tech support while on your computer. You get to talk with a live person and don't have wait two hours. I am sure they will help you figure this out quickly.




     
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/02/21 19:12:56 (permalink)
    My 32gb of GSkillz 1866 8-9-9-24-2 -- 1.5v runs fine at 2400 10-11-11-24-1 -- 1.65 on my Z97 Classifed... 100% stable compared to my ASrock Z87 Extreme6.
     
    Both with the same 4770k at 4.8 which on the Classified required less voltage. :thumbs:
     
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/03/05 08:42:04 (permalink)
    I just got a replacement for my I7 4790K cause I was pretty sure it was an IMC problem. Now im able to boot to windows but can'T run prime95 or AIDA64 without crashing in seconds. I really need to have the correct voltage for the VSA, IOD and IOA. If someone have this board and running memory at 2666mhz  i would really appreciate if you can send those inputs in your BIOS. 
    Thx in advance.
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/03/05 08:47:27 (permalink)
    BTW, tech support at EVGA doen't give support to run this RAM at 2666mhz cause it's overclocking in some ways and they do not offer support when your talking about overclocking :S
     
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/03/05 14:19:52 (permalink)
    Is this the ram (G.skill F3-2666C11Q-16GTXD) you are running? if it is you are not overclocking the ram. 2666 is stock clock. What slots are you inserting the ram into? You should be using 1 and 3 or 2 and 4. This ram is compatible with the EVGA Z97 Classified board. Make sure you are in the right slots. In the bios go to Memory, set the memory profile to XMP1. Exit and go back in the bios and at the top (see attached photo) make sure the ram shows the correct speed of 2666 and voltage of 1.65. than exit and boot in to windows. If you decide to overclock your memory past 2666. You may have to overclock the CPU as well to make the system stable. Give it a try and let us know of this works.
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/03/05 14:36:25 (permalink)
    it'S a 4x4gb kit so i just filled the slots with them not matching them 1 with 3 and 2 with 4. I will switch #2 and #3 to see what happen. Sometimes windows won'T boot at all. Ill get a BSOD when booting so I play with the VSA IOD and IOA to get it to boot but when in windows nothing is stable. I know that the ram is listed as compatible on the website but still... Intel sent me a brand new I7 4790K batch from vietnam and seems to overclock way higher then the Malaysia batch I had before. PRetty sure it's not a IMC problems this time but just a setting that I need to figure out. That's what EVGA said when trying to help me. Ill get back to you guyz after switching those ram stick but I will still ask for voltage settings (VSA, IOA and IOD) for anyone that run this board with 2666mhz ram.
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/03/05 15:07:37 (permalink)
    If you are using all the slots that's ok. What happens when you set just the XMP profile to 1 and try booting into windows not changing anything else?




     
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/03/05 15:16:01 (permalink)
    I might get a BSOD while trying to boot or I can get to windows but I can only surf the internet. Any kind of test (Hot cpu tester, AIDA64, Prime95) will crash within seconds. Any games will crash as soon as I load the actual gameplay. at 2133mhz everything is rock solid. Pass that, I can get anything to be stable at all. EVGA told me to ask around to find the magic setting to make it work but. I've spent hours on this problem and just can't find the solution. I swaped the RAM two times and now The CPU. Did try on the three BIOS and all still the same.
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/03/05 15:57:21 (permalink)
    Can you attach a screen shot of the bios memory settings.




     
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/03/09 14:35:58 (permalink)
    It took some times but here are the screenshots.
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    Re: EVGA Z97 Classfied XMP problem 2015/03/09 15:01:56 (permalink)
    Did you attach the file? I do not see the picture.




     
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