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OK, maybe a stupid question, maybe not, so here it is: Why exactly do I want to spend an extra $30-$50 for a "factory overclocked" GTX 970 if I can just overclock the cheaper one myself?????????  Is this just marketing, or do the "factory overclocked" cards have a higher OC ceiling? Really curious about this. Thanks.
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/01 00:33:16
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You can try to overclock a vanilla one, but no guarantee you'll be able to clock that high, or whether it will be stable and/or overheat. Factory overclocked is already tested - you know you'll have those clocks and possibly higher. Your choice, but if you buy vanilla, don't be upset if it doesn't clock well. p.s. really no need for the all caps / bold / underlined / multiple question marks drama. If you're this worked up just thinking about it... yeah, go for the factory clocked one, lol.
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/01 01:02:47
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Some people will pay more. Look at all the people paying $100 more for KingPin GTX980 vs Classified GTX980. EVGA doesn't guarantee higher overclock past base/boost clocks. People buy KingPin version thinking it will be all that but what they fail to realize is they have to modify aka voiding the warranty on the card to ever think about getting close to overclock kingpin does.
Is extra 1-5 FPS higher worth $100. In my opinion it's not.
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/01 02:22:52
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What your paying for from the SC to the FTW cards is the guarantee that the card will run the clocks set by the company selling the card on a standard reference pcb, components and bios. They've already done the work and tested to make sure that's the case and if it isn't you have a warranty to cover you. The Classified and Kingpin cards are a different story because they have tweaked custom bios', thicker pcb's, better more consistently used and expensive components, cherry picked gpu's and ,of course, guaranteed out of the box overclocks. Yes, you can buy a reference vanilla card and hope to win the silicon lottery and get a great overclocker but if you don't there is nothing you can do about it. Now, saying that, I can confirm that most of EVGA's vanilla cards do overclock pretty well on the standard reference setups, in my expierence. I really cant say ive had a dud of a card yet, pretty much from any company, and ive been buying cards for a long time. Does that mean you will get a good card too?!?! Nope. So is there any value in the factory overclocked cards your asking about?!? Absolutely, but that value may not seem as good to you as it does to me.
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/01 02:27:24
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EVGA's overclocked cards are guaranteed to run at the clocks for the warranty of the card.
With software overclocking that is not guaranteed and some cards may clock higher than others.
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/01 02:38:58
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Look at the benchmark scores on modrigs. You'll be able to compare average performance between certain card systems. For example, my 2x770 system is comparable on par to a 1x980 system, but 2x980 would provide me with a 4000-7000 points better. That would for me would be a performance increase of 50%. In addition to this, you've got warranty issues. If something goes wrong in overclocking it yourself, you aren't covered. Factory overclocks are no problem though as they're policed at stable and reliable clocks - that's why they're so fantastic. If you're really that concerned or too cheap to save for the upgrade, do your research. Everybody's case is different.
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/01 05:36:53
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OK, maybe a stupid question, maybe not, so here it is:
Why exactly do I want to spend an extra $30-$50 for a "factory overclocked" GTX 970 if I can just overclock the cheaper one myself????????? Is this just marketing, or do the "factory overclocked" cards have a higher OC ceiling?
Really curious about this. Thanks.
Only you can answer that question. Not a stupid question, but one you can answer yourself by determining you own needs. Does the custom Heatsink or adjustable LED lighting add to the looks of your PC, this is very important to a lot of enthusiasts, opening software every time you start your computer to overclock your card compared to just starting your PC and it's already clocked to what you desire, sometimes the software used to overclock your card doesn't play well with other software you may be using, or the particular game you happen to be playing, or the specific driver version you are using. There are many factors to purchasing any hardware not just a video card. Many people purchase EVGA over other brands because they have by far the best customer service in the industry, by far the best.
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/01 05:54:56
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I actually like what MSI is doing for their "Gaming" brand of GTX970s/980s, and giving you a "mode" monitor for overclocking based on one's taste. EVGA should consider that kind of option, and have three or four different "modes" for how far you want to OC your GPU. Sorry to throw a competitor into the mix, but after seeing that feature, it just seems that should be a good feature that EVGA *could* incorporate into some of their higher-end GPUs.
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/01 06:04:41
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Just buy the standard clocked card and then download the super clocked bios for that card and flash it.
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/01 06:15:49
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Just buy the standard clocked card and then download the super clocked bios for that card and flash it.
That I thought to do with Titan II but I don't know. In past on reference cards sometimes I couldn't reach highest clock for that model on market. I mean sometimes 180-200MHz is not easy to reach, and much less pain and tweaking when you don't need to save nothing in software. What if card not accept Superclocked BIOS? If you look GTX780Ti Classified series that's as other graphic card, like 200 CUDA more, as GTX780Ti + difference is not small. It's OK now on Maxwell when have lot space, low temperature and nice for OC, but some cards 250-300W consumption, heat, premium chips, it's not easy to save 200MHz just like that in Precision X or AB. We could find only 50% of good chips among reference, others gone for overclocked models.
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/01 06:17:22
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IMO, all the way down from +1MHz to FTW level, you can do that on your vanilla card. Above FTW, not sure.
Look at mine for example. Any GTX 660 can OC to the level of my card EASILY.
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/01 06:27:46
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snitzle
OK, maybe a stupid question, maybe not, so here it is:
Why exactly do I want to spend an extra $30-$50 for a "factory overclocked" GTX 970 if I can just overclock the cheaper one myself????????? Is this just marketing, or do the "factory overclocked" cards have a higher OC ceiling?
Really curious about this. Thanks.
Try buying a GPU that crashes with a +1mhz overclock and I wasn't a jerk enough to try and return it for it being "defective". That happened to me and that's why I buy the highest pre-overclocked cards possible.
You didn't thought literally, I hope, because that card could not be stable on fabric clock if crash on 10-20MHz more. That's facts, only is problem of situation when driver will stop to respond and without OC software. That was probably fault card as last stable clock reference, and last stable clock is not always same, variation can go up to 50MHz during 3 years...I mean example 40-50MHz...
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/01 16:20:35
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The factory overclocked cards are marketed as higher binned GPU's, ones that they can warranty and garuntee to perform at settings higher than stock.
You can play the GPU lotto and shoot for a reference version, sometimes you will get a crazy awesome GPU that will overclock higher than 95% of every other one on the market. Personally, I like the factory overclocked ones because they are usually not that much more than a reference card and i'm not a fan of the blower style GPU cooler... I also don't keep my GPU's long enough to justify the cost of waterblocks.
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/01 18:03:24
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Great responses all, and thanks for the info! Oh, and please forgive the initial "font drama" as Nereus pointed out - I was watching Titanic at the time of my post. Dammit, their love perished too soon!!!!! (But... My GTX 970 will be safe in my heart, and the heart does go on.....) 
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/01 19:26:02
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lol 
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/01 23:52:32
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I can't believe how your card didn't crash in games, 1 MHz is nothing, that can be more conflict with OC software than 1MHz difference.
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/02 00:29:49
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the only reason to buy a non reference card is to get the 6+2 vrm control and better cooling be that a mosfet plate or the new acx2.0+ cooler.
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/02 01:38:52
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The factory overclocked cards are marketed as higher binned GPU's, ones that they can warranty and garuntee to perform at settings higher than stock.
You can play the GPU lotto and shoot for a reference version, sometimes you will get a crazy awesome GPU that will overclock higher than 95% of every other one on the market. Personally, I like the factory overclocked ones because they are usually not that much more than a reference card and i'm not a fan of the blower style GPU cooler... I also don't keep my GPU's long enough to justify the cost of waterblocks.
I recall asking about this on here and someone from EVGA said they're not higher binned silicon, they're just validated overclocks of the entire card. IOW, you might get a ref card with the same silicon quality as a Kingpin and vice versa. If I were to guess what happens: EVGA gets a tray of BGA socketed die from NV and they have a test socket that they can drop the chip into, clamp it down, and boot into Windows to run some stress tests. They find how it overclocks and then it gets sent down the assembly line to be soldered onto its respective PCB. Binning would involve looking at structural/functional/parametric testing of the die which EVGA wouldn't be equipped to do themselves.
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/02 04:37:37
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The factory overclocked cards are marketed as higher binned GPU's, ones that they can warranty and garuntee to perform at settings higher than stock.
You can play the GPU lotto and shoot for a reference version, sometimes you will get a crazy awesome GPU that will overclock higher than 95% of every other one on the market. Personally, I like the factory overclocked ones because they are usually not that much more than a reference card and i'm not a fan of the blower style GPU cooler... I also don't keep my GPU's long enough to justify the cost of waterblocks.
I recall asking about this on here and someone from EVGA said they're not higher binned silicon, they're just validated overclocks of the entire card. IOW, you might get a ref card with the same silicon quality as a Kingpin and vice versa.
If I were to guess what happens: EVGA gets a tray of BGA socketed die from NV and they have a test socket that they can drop the chip into, clamp it down, and boot into Windows to run some stress tests. They find how it overclocks and then it gets sent down the assembly line to be soldered onto its respective PCB. Binning would involve looking at structural/functional/parametric testing of the die which EVGA wouldn't be equipped to do themselves.
There have been a couple very important guys from EVGA who have come on here and confirmed that they do not "bin" the chips. Imo, I don't even think they BGA socket them even.... I think they get fully soldered out naked cards, since they are all the same up to the ftw of each line, they test them as is and see how far they will go and then they get marked to go to there respective packaging, Vanilla, SC, SSC, FTW, dogs humping cats etc.... wherever they need to be. No need to do any other testing and buy expensive equipment/or rent time on someones elses equipment to do such things. That's just going to drive prices upon a already fiercely competitive market.
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
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The factory overclocked cards are marketed as higher binned GPU's, ones that they can warranty and garuntee to perform at settings higher than stock. Show proof.
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Some people will pay more. Look at all the people paying $100 more for KingPin GTX980 vs Classified GTX980. EVGA doesn't guarantee higher overclock past base/boost clocks. People buy KingPin version thinking it will be all that but what they fail to realize is they have to modify aka voiding the warranty on the card to ever think about getting close to overclock kingpin does.
Is extra 1-5 FPS higher worth $100. In my opinion it's not.
not to mention hes using L2N and those overclocks aren't necessarily sustainable for real world purposes..
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/02 06:48:11
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The factory overclocked cards are marketed as higher binned GPU's, ones that they can warranty and garuntee to perform at settings higher than stock.
Show proof.
http://eu.evga.com/articles/00721/ Here is a screen shot of the Performance Power link on that article: 
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
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The factory overclocked cards are marketed as higher binned GPU's, ones that they can warranty and garuntee to perform at settings higher than stock.
Show proof.
http://eu.evga.com/articles/00721/
Here is a screen shot of the Performance Power link on that article:
Well that shows only SC above are aggressively selected. Aggressively selected= Higher binned?. Thank You for showing the proof though.
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/02 11:00:01
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In addition to this, you've got warranty issues. If something goes wrong in overclocking it yourself, you aren't covered. Factory overclocks are no problem though as they're policed at stable and reliable clocks - that's why they're so fantastic.
That is also, very, very wrong. Plus, what do you mean? If it's an unstable overclock, and all you do is click reset in MSI AB or EVGA Precision? Or at worst...restart the PC...because the drivers may have crashed? It's not a console but it's not difficult either.
Product condition:This Limited Warranty is conditioned upon proper use of the Product by the Purchaser. This Limited Warranty does not cover:- Defects or damage resulting from accident, misuse, abnormal use, abnormal conditions, improper storage, exposure to liquid, submersion in oil, use of adhesives, use of solder, moisture, rust, cigarette residue, dampness, sand or dirt, neglect, or unusual physical, electrical or electromechanical stress.
- Scratches, dents or cosmetic damage(s) caused to the product.
- Defects or damage resulting from excessive force.
- Equipment that has the serial number or factory identification labels removed, defaced, damaged, altered or made illegible.
- Defects or damage resulting from 'the use of a product in conjunction or connection with accessories, products, or secondary peripheral equipment not furnished or approved by EVGA CORPORATION.
- Defects or damages resulting from improper testing, operation, maintenance, installation, service, or adjustment not furnished or approved by EVGA CORPORATION.
- Defects or damage resulting from external causes such as collision with an object, fire, flooding, dirt, windstorms, lightning, earthquake, exposure to weather conditions, theft, blown fuses, or improper use of any electrical source.
- Unauthorized changes to the BIOS or Firmware on graphics card that does not have a Dual BIOS option may cause this warranty to be null and void.
http://www.evga.com/support/faq/afmviewfaq.aspx?faqid=55 Overclocking our products does not void the warranty as long as there is no physical damage to the product or missing components. However EVGA Support will not be able to assist you in overclocking the product. MSim
Some people will pay more. Look at all the people paying $100 more for KingPin GTX980 vs Classified GTX980. EVGA doesn't guarantee higher overclock past base/boost clocks. People buy KingPin version thinking it will be all that but what they fail to realize is they have to modify aka voiding the warranty on the card to ever think about getting close to overclock kingpin does.
Is extra 1-5 FPS higher worth $100. In my opinion it's not.
Not sure what you mean by voiding the warranty? Even Ln2 use won't void the warranty, new bios on the 2nd choice won't, putting a waterblock on won't, overclocking won't, and if they have a EVbot, it's not like they need to do any soldering..unless they buy the power board..but that's for any specific card... So, I fail to understand what you mean. And $100 more for the Kingpin is pretty low for the engineering that goes into it, at least compared to the regular Classy. Plus over the years I've heard the same thing from some Classy owners, some overclock well, and others can't do anything. Same basic thing with any card really, you are just guaranteed a higher base clock and have a sought after well engineered card. Might as well buy a STRIX 980 then for $150 less then a Classy and call it a day? :p. The main benefits of the higher priced 970's and 980's is the BIOS switch in my opinion. With that, you can load ANY bios onto the 2nd one, and enjoy no thermal or power limits restricting it. The 970 SSC and 980 FTW's both have the dual bios option, and are slightly overclocked compared to the Vanilla offerings. If you like to mess with your cards, something after my 780ti I really do miss, cards with the dual bios are to get and worth it I feel. Otherwise your regular vanilla card can do well enough depending on it's silicon and memory. My friends vanilla 970 from step-up can do 1451 MHz core and 8 GHz memory, the only thing holding it back I think, is voltage and the fact Nvidia is playing coy with the card in general.
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/02 12:13:35
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RainStryke
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The factory overclocked cards are marketed as higher binned GPU's, ones that they can warranty and garuntee to perform at settings higher than stock.
Show proof.
http://eu.evga.com/articles/00721/ Here is a screen shot of the Performance Power link on that article: +1 You need to remember that the PC overclock is only as good as the weakest link. Some owners just want plug and play simplicity. Others enjoy chasing the perfect overclock and highest benchmark score. Some fall in between. You have been give a lot of great information from fellow form members; but, ultimately the individual must consider time and budget along with what their desire to spend time doing entails.Enjoy you system.
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/02 12:36:21
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thanks for adding that last one on the bios switch. I only pay more for the:
6+2 voltage phase controller
better cooling and mosfet plates (don't really believe in backplates as they do very little but look really nice)
the second bios.
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/02 12:46:08
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shogon
Not sure what you mean by voiding the warranty? Even Ln2 use won't void the warranty, new bios on the 2nd choice won't, putting a waterblock on won't, overclocking won't, and if they have a EVbot, it's not like they need to do any soldering..unless they buy the power board..but that's for any specific card...
So, I fail to understand what you mean. And $100 more for the Kingpin is pretty low for the engineering that goes into it, at least compared to the regular Classy. Plus over the years I've heard the same thing from some Classy owners, some overclock well, and others can't do anything. Same basic thing with any card really, you are just guaranteed a higher base clock and have a sought after well engineered card. Might as well buy a STRIX 980 then for $150 less then a Classy and call it a day? :p.
Void the warranty by soldering wires on the back of the card like on this post on kingpincooling forums. http://kingpincooling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2886
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Re: SO REALLY - WHY AM I BUYING A "PRE-OVERCLOCKED" CARD???
2015/03/02 13:43:26
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MSim
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Not sure what you mean by voiding the warranty? Even Ln2 use won't void the warranty, new bios on the 2nd choice won't, putting a waterblock on won't, overclocking won't, and if they have a EVbot, it's not like they need to do any soldering..unless they buy the power board..but that's for any specific card...
So, I fail to understand what you mean. And $100 more for the Kingpin is pretty low for the engineering that goes into it, at least compared to the regular Classy. Plus over the years I've heard the same thing from some Classy owners, some overclock well, and others can't do anything. Same basic thing with any card really, you are just guaranteed a higher base clock and have a sought after well engineered card. Might as well buy a STRIX 980 then for $150 less then a Classy and call it a day? :p.
Void the warranty by soldering wires on the back of the card like on this post on kingpincooling forums. http://kingpincooling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2886
Pretty extreme example there... Especially when you link a forum 90% of users will never use because they don't bench professionally, or with great enthusiasm like those folks do. Also, that's not even a special 980 like a Classy, it's regular one. Considering one can not openly buy the Evboard from EVGA (US that is), I think we can rest easy at night. To some, they buy the Kingpin cards and other highly clocked ones because they don't have to fiddle with anything, it's the fastest out of the box. No need to gander with sliders, no time spent testing stability, just hopefully, enjoyment.
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