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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/26 18:31:34 (permalink)
"somewhat deployed" is all good until you have someone in that seat die when it "somewhat deploys". If you'd had a passenger the size of my girlfriend in it during a more serious accident they might actually have died because she's so small. (<100lbs and short)
 
That is absolutely unacceptable, I agree with the notion of getting a lawyer on this. 

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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/26 19:00:44 (permalink)
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This is from the 2nd dealership I visited, after the first one gave me the same run around. So no.

But these issues can be fixed at any Ford dealership.



Of course it can, they will have to order the module. This would have been part of the insurance to begin with.




I'm assuming you don't understand the issue. The issue is NOT getting it fixed, But why something that's used for safety, Isn't functioning correctly and could possibly lead to a death... But since the insurance can fix it, Let's let it slide! Maybe we'll be lucky enough and not have any deaths because of something that could have been prevented.

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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/26 19:16:53 (permalink)
They have video of the accident for the racers...
 

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysS1Ts78KDs
 
 
Driver was 21 years old, Most likely going to face 25 to life.
 
 

 


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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/26 21:54:54 (permalink)
Someone's at it again.
 
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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 05:44:38 (permalink)
How the .... does that guy not know a airbag is supposed to fully deploy? he would have said to me " im about done with the conversation" and my reply would have been " and your job to, my lawyer will be in touch".
 
get a lawyer and hand him his backside. no reason should a customer EVER be talked to like that when they are looking and showing the tech a failed part under warranty. 
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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 06:46:21 (permalink)
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They have video of the accident for the racers...
 

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysS1Ts78KDs
 
 
Driver was 21 years old, Most likely going to face 25 to life.
 
 

 



the scumbag should spend the rest of his life in prison or just be executed, what a waste of space.
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 08:51:20 (permalink)
Rush, call Ford. If they don't take care of you. Get a lawyer, report everything and we'll go on a media blitz. I'll even call Ford, we all should call Ford and tell them to fix your car. We'll post everywhere we can and Ford will be sorry they 1) Released a car that has a flawed air bag system 2) The ABS gets confused. Like Halo said, their could have been someone's loved one in that seat and lost their life.
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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 13:34:39 (permalink)
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Rush, call Ford. If they don't take care of you. Get a lawyer, report everything and we'll go on a media blitz. I'll even call Ford, we all should call Ford and tell them to fix your car. We'll post everywhere we can and Ford will be sorry they 1) Released a car that has a flawed air bag system 2) The ABS gets confused. Like Halo said, their could have been someone's loved one in that seat and lost their life.

Maybe this would be a better place to start:         https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
 
Go ask at GM and Toyota if these guys can be a force to change Corporate double talk.  Ok, even if they can be slow, this is a current issue with safety of cars in this country - getting better attention.
 
excerpt 1:
 
"Welcome to SaferCar.gov, where you can identify and report problems you might be having with your vehicle, tires, equipment or car seats. If you think you have a problem, we want you to tell us about it. We are the Office of Defects Investigation, or ODI. We are a part of the U.S. DOT's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the nation's only agency authorized to conduct defect investigations and administer safety recalls on everything from vehicles and equipment to tires and child safety seats. Our engineers and investigators look into problems you report to help ensure you and others stay safe on our nation's roads and highways."
excerpt 2:
"Why your complaint is importantYour complaint information will be entered into NHTSA-ODI's vehicle owner's complaint database and used with other complaints to determine if a safety-related defect trend exists. More...
How Your complaint is Handled
  • We protect your privacy. We do not share your personal information with the general public. Your complaint will be added to a public NHTSA database only after we remove all information from complaint fields that identify you personally. More...
The Privacy Act of 1974 - Public Law 93-579, As Amended: This information is requested pursuant to the authority vested in the National Highway Traffic Safety Act and subsequent amendments. You are under no obligation to respond to this questionnaire. Your response maybe used to assist the NHTSA in determining whether a manufacturer should take appropriate action to correct a safety defect. If the NHTSA proceeds with administration enforcement or litigation against a manufacturer, your response, or statistical summary thereof, may be used in support of the agency's action."
 
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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 13:39:26 (permalink)
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Rush, call Ford. If they don't take care of you. Get a lawyer, report everything and we'll go on a media blitz. I'll even call Ford, we all should call Ford and tell them to fix your car. We'll post everywhere we can and Ford will be sorry they 1) Released a car that has a flawed air bag system 2) The ABS gets confused. Like Halo said, their could have been someone's loved one in that seat and lost their life.

Maybe this would be a better place to start:         https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
excerpt:
 
"Welcome to SaferCar.gov, where you can identify and report problems you might be having with your vehicle, tires, equipment or car seats. If you think you have a problem, we want you to tell us about it. We are the Office of Defects Investigation, or ODI. We are a part of the U.S. DOT's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the nation's only agency authorized to conduct defect investigations and administer safety recalls on everything from vehicles and equipment to tires and child safety seats. Our engineers and investigators look into problems you report to help ensure you and others stay safe on our nation's roads and highways."


Maybe you missed this?
 
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Call Ford 1-800-392-3673, give them one last time to make things right. If they don't settle this for you, tell them it's lawyer time and reports to NHSTA and IIHS. I would also toss in the abs system not working properly and that will be reported too. Didn't you also mention your buddy riding in the seat sustained injuries because the air bag didn't deploy properly?
 
They don't want this headache and would be much cheaper for them to accommodate you request.
 
I had a buddy that forced GM to put a whole new motor in his car with just an arbitrary setting

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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 13:42:02 (permalink)
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Rush, call Ford. If they don't take care of you. Get a lawyer, report everything and we'll go on a media blitz. I'll even call Ford, we all should call Ford and tell them to fix your car. We'll post everywhere we can and Ford will be sorry they 1) Released a car that has a flawed air bag system 2) The ABS gets confused. Like Halo said, their could have been someone's loved one in that seat and lost their life.

Maybe this would be a better place to start:         https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
excerpt:
 
"Welcome to SaferCar.gov, where you can identify and report problems you might be having with your vehicle, tires, equipment or car seats. If you think you have a problem, we want you to tell us about it. We are the Office of Defects Investigation, or ODI. We are a part of the U.S. DOT's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the nation's only agency authorized to conduct defect investigations and administer safety recalls on everything from vehicles and equipment to tires and child safety seats. Our engineers and investigators look into problems you report to help ensure you and others stay safe on our nation's roads and highways."


Maybe you missed this?
 
kram36
Call Ford 1-800-392-3673, give them one last time to make things right. If they don't settle this for you, tell them it's lawyer time and reports to NHSTA and IIHS. I would also toss in the abs system not working properly and that will be reported too. Didn't you also mention your buddy riding in the seat sustained injuries because the air bag didn't deploy properly?

They don't want this headache and would be much cheaper for them to accommodate you request.

I had a buddy that forced GM to put a whole new motor in his car with just an arbitrary setting



OK +1
 
File the report; we need to make sure no one turns a blind eye to Airbags or ABS; may just safe a life.
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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 13:54:24 (permalink)
all heck still waiting on ford to get airbags for my brothers 04 ford ranger takata bags the kind that like to blow on their own have recall letter still nothing done yet
 
as for you rush call the safecar people report that issue of airbag and call ford direct number to file a complaint
 
on the other hand all speedster here http://drivingdynamics.com/ go to this driving school they use your vehicle I saw them in my local area on airport property with a track setup including the emergency crew with them they do very good advance driving skills class I will be checking into them for my self.

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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 14:14:31 (permalink)
Is it too much that I dont think companies should be forced to provide airbags and seat belts in their vehicles?

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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 14:20:49 (permalink)
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They have video of the accident for the racers...
 

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysS1Ts78KDs
 
 
Driver was 21 years old, Most likely going to face 25 to life.
 
 

 



the scumbag should spend the rest of his life in prison or just be executed, what a waste of space.
 





Yep. SO should the guy in the GTR for racing a Mustang.



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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 14:25:09 (permalink)
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Is it too much that I dont think companies should be forced to provide airbags and seat belts in their vehicles?

They are very necessary. What kills people is their body impacting into the car. Those not smart enough to wear a seat belt, might get saved by an air bag.
 
I witnessed a Pontiac Grand Am get from the side in the front passenger fender. The driver wasn't wearing a seat belt, pulled her right out of the drivers seat, over the center console and it dumped her complete body into the passenger foot-well. A Chevy pickup hit her at less then 30 mph. When I got to her, she was knocked out cold and shacking like someone having a seizure and bleeding from several spots.
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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 14:37:03 (permalink)
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Is it too much that I dont think companies should be forced to provide airbags and seat belts in their vehicles?

They are very necessary. What kills people is their body impacting into the car. Those not smart enough to wear a seat belt, might get saved by an air bag.
 
I witnessed a Pontiac Grand Am get from the side in the front passenger fender. The driver wasn't wearing a seat belt, pulled her right out of the drivers seat, over the center console and it dumped her complete body into the passenger foot-well. A Chevy pickup hit her at less then 30 mph. When I got to her, she was knocked out cold and shacking like someone having a seizure and bleeding from several spots.
They maybe necessary but think of how much more innovative they would be if they weren't forced... They could be an add on... Maybe more comfortable (seat belts) and airbagsight advance into something better and more effective...

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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 14:40:47 (permalink)
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Is it too much that I dont think companies should be forced to provide airbags and seat belts in their vehicles?

They are very necessary. What kills people is their body impacting into the car. Those not smart enough to wear a seat belt, might get saved by an air bag.
 
I witnessed a Pontiac Grand Am get from the side in the front passenger fender. The driver wasn't wearing a seat belt, pulled her right out of the drivers seat, over the center console and it dumped her complete body into the passenger foot-well. A Chevy pickup hit her at less then 30 mph. When I got to her, she was knocked out cold and shacking like someone having a seizure and bleeding from several spots.
They maybe necessary but think of how much more innovative they would be if they weren't forced... They could be an add on... Maybe more comfortable (seat belts) and airbagsight advance into something better and more effective...

Nah, it needed to be enforced. We would be driving cars without seat belts/air bags with 150 hp getting 10 mpg if car companies didn't have rules to follow.
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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 14:43:42 (permalink)
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Is it too much that I dont think companies should be forced to provide airbags and seat belts in their vehicles?

They are very necessary. What kills people is their body impacting into the car. Those not smart enough to wear a seat belt, might get saved by an air bag.

I witnessed a Pontiac Grand Am get from the side in the front passenger fender. The driver wasn't wearing a seat belt, pulled her right out of the drivers seat, over the center console and it dumped her complete body into the passenger foot-well. A Chevy pickup hit her at less then 30 mph. When I got to her, she was knocked out cold and shacking like someone having a seizure and bleeding from several spots.
They maybe necessary but think of how much more innovative they would be if they weren't forced... They could be an add on... Maybe more comfortable (seat belts) and airbagsight advance into something better and more effective...

Nah, it needed to be enforced. We would be driving cars without seat belts/air bags with 150 hp getting 10 mpg if car companies didn't have rules to follow.
I disagree but its off topic... Anyways, how big are side airbags once deployed?

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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 15:23:02 (permalink)
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Is it too much that I dont think companies should be forced to provide airbags and seat belts in their vehicles?

Are you OK with collapsible steering columns and hoods that crumple instead of coming straight back and beheading the driver or crushing their sternum with the steering wheel?
 
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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 15:55:11 (permalink)
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Is it too much that I dont think companies should be forced to provide airbags and seat belts in their vehicles?

Are you OK with collapsible steering columns and hoods that crumple instead of coming straight back and beheading the driver or crushing their sternum with the steering wheel?
 
Innovation is driven by : greed, need and government love.
LOL no not government love... Yes if I or someone else decides not to have airbags that their decision of they get decapitated so be it...

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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 16:44:05 (permalink)
BF3 what you need my friend is a nice Model A, no saftey features at all, even the glass breaks into shards
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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 16:52:01 (permalink)
Kram, I called the phone # and explained what happened and they gave me a case #, They told me that is a safety issue and they will put the regional manager in contact with me on Monday or Tuesday.
 
Let's see what happens.
 
Btw, Read the comments : 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb-uMSm7ih0
 
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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 17:35:31 (permalink)
What is up with that John C. guy? Maybe that troll needs to get a life. What a complete and udder waste of oxygen. This why I do not like social media. Too many biased people with 25% of the information but 100% of the opinion and need to voice it.



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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 17:43:21 (permalink)
That John C response is a total troll.
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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 17:43:50 (permalink)
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What is up with that John C. guy? Maybe that troll needs to get a life. What a complete and udder waste of oxygen. This why I do not like social media. Too many biased people with 25% of the information but 100% of the opinion and need to voice it.



Yeah, I thought he was sort of rude, If the knee airbags weren't necessary, They wouldn't be there.
 
Heck, Even if they aren't necessary, The fact that they placed them there and were defective, Still isn't acceptable.

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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 20:06:50 (permalink)
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Guys, since we have been discussing brakes and stuff, what's the best way to brake at high speeds? Holding the brake pedal at a fixed position, or applying heavily and letting up as you slow down? I'm trying not to destroy my new brakes but, some advice would be nice.


Did you properly break them in? Always good to find a quiet road and make 6 to 10 successive near stops from about 40 mph using moderate pressure. When driving the car don't lightly drag the brakes coming to a stop....use moderate pressure and come to a complete stop. Without ABS in an emergency braking situation use steady pressure, DO NOT pump the brakes. If you start to lock up just modulate by realeasing some pressure on the pedal.

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New brakes do not function at maximum efficiencies until you transfer a little brake pad material on to the rotors as this increases the friction.
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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 22:36:31 (permalink)
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Kram, I called the phone # and explained what happened and they gave me a case #, They told me that is a safety issue and they will put the regional manager in contact with me on Monday or Tuesday.
 
Let's see what happens.
 
Btw, Read the comments : 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb-uMSm7ih0
 


Good for you. John C can take a hike. He doesn't even know what happened. Don't forget to mention the ABS being confused. I would ask for the whole car to be fixed, not just the air bags.
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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 23:09:45 (permalink)
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Guys, since we have been discussing brakes and stuff, what's the best way to brake at high speeds? Holding the brake pedal at a fixed position, or applying heavily and letting up as you slow down? I'm trying not to destroy my new brakes but, some advice would be nice.


Did you properly break them in? Always good to find a quiet road and make 6 to 10 successive near stops from about 40 mph using moderate pressure. When driving the car don't lightly drag the brakes coming to a stop....use moderate pressure and come to a complete stop. Without ABS in an emergency braking situation use steady pressure, DO NOT pump the brakes. If you start to lock up just modulate by realeasing some pressure on the pedal.

+1
 
New brakes do not function at maximum efficiencies until you transfer a little brake pad material on to the rotors as this increases the friction.
http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=85
http://www.zeckhausen.com/bedding_in_brakes.htm
 


This is bedded-in process I go by.
 
BRAKE PAD BEDDING IN PROCEDURE

New brake pads have to be bedded in upon installation. Correct bedding guarantees that new brake pads and new rotors work flawlessly together. In order to function optimally, organic brake pads must develop friction coal on its surface. This friction coal develops at a temperature of about 280 degrees C (537F). It is very important that this temperature is reached continuously and slowly. This process results that the temperature not only is penetrating the surface of the brake discs and pads, but also evenly through the whole disc and pad material. This is essential when using new brake discs, since the disc often shows signs of strains (due to the casting process and fast cooling) in the materials. A steady and careful warming and cooling process guarantees a good release of both materials.

The bedding in/brake in procedure should be done as follows:
Drive at around 35 mph (60 kmh) about 500 – 800 yards (solid discs about 500 yards, vented discs 750 yards) with slightly dragging brakes (a.k.a. light brake pedal pressure) (brake pressure < 5 bar). This process allows the brake temperature to slowly and evenly build up to 300 degrees C (572F).
Now if possible drive about 2200 yards maintaining same speed without braking to allow the pads and discs to evenly cool down. At the end perform a regular brake application from 35 mph to 0. However, no Panic Stop.
Now the friction surface evenly developed friction coal, the pads bonded with the disc surface, and tensions in the disc materials disappeared.
Only trained master mechanics should perform this procedure – not the car owner.
This bedding process is only suitable for the front axle not the rear.
This is related to the brake distribution of front and rear axles. In order to reach 300 degrees C (527 F) on the rear pads you would have to drive several miles with dragging brakes. However, at that time on the front axles you will have glowing red, hot discs thus destroying the front brakes.
Final note – please never forget to clean hubs and check wheel bearings. Also the brake fluid should be replaced at least every 2 years.
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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 23:11:06 (permalink)
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Rush, call Ford. If they don't take care of you. Get a lawyer, report everything and we'll go on a media blitz. I'll even call Ford, we all should call Ford and tell them to fix your car. We'll post everywhere we can and Ford will be sorry they 1) Released a car that has a flawed air bag system 2) The ABS gets confused. Like Halo said, their could have been someone's loved one in that seat and lost their life.


Just take it to a different FORD dealer... Should be enough around your area that one will properly address it.

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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/27 23:20:14 (permalink)
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Rush, call Ford. If they don't take care of you. Get a lawyer, report everything and we'll go on a media blitz. I'll even call Ford, we all should call Ford and tell them to fix your car. We'll post everywhere we can and Ford will be sorry they 1) Released a car that has a flawed air bag system 2) The ABS gets confused. Like Halo said, their could have been someone's loved one in that seat and lost their life.


Just take it to a different FORD dealer... Should be enough around your area that one will properly address it.


He took it to 2 different dealers that gave him the run around.
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Re: And that's the end of it! 2015/02/28 04:06:18 (permalink)
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Guys, since we have been discussing brakes and stuff, what's the best way to brake at high speeds? Holding the brake pedal at a fixed position, or applying heavily and letting up as you slow down? I'm trying not to destroy my new brakes but, some advice would be nice.


Did you properly break them in? Always good to find a quiet road and make 6 to 10 successive near stops from about 40 mph using moderate pressure. When driving the car don't lightly drag the brakes coming to a stop....use moderate pressure and come to a complete stop. Without ABS in an emergency braking situation use steady pressure, DO NOT pump the brakes. If you start to lock up just modulate by realeasing some pressure on the pedal.

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New brakes do not function at maximum efficiencies until you transfer a little brake pad material on to the rotors as this increases the friction.
http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=85
http://www.zeckhausen.com/bedding_in_brakes.htm
 


This is bedded-in process I go by.
 
BRAKE PAD BEDDING IN PROCEDURE

New brake pads have to be bedded in upon installation. Correct bedding guarantees that new brake pads and new rotors work flawlessly together. In order to function optimally, organic brake pads must develop friction coal on its surface. This friction coal develops at a temperature of about 280 degrees C (537F). It is very important that this temperature is reached continuously and slowly. This process results that the temperature not only is penetrating the surface of the brake discs and pads, but also evenly through the whole disc and pad material. This is essential when using new brake discs, since the disc often shows signs of strains (due to the casting process and fast cooling) in the materials. A steady and careful warming and cooling process guarantees a good release of both materials.

The bedding in/brake in procedure should be done as follows:
Drive at around 35 mph (60 kmh) about 500 – 800 yards (solid discs about 500 yards, vented discs 750 yards) with slightly dragging brakes (a.k.a. light brake pedal pressure) (brake pressure < 5 bar). This process allows the brake temperature to slowly and evenly build up to 300 degrees C (572F).
Now if possible drive about 2200 yards maintaining same speed without braking to allow the pads and discs to evenly cool down. At the end perform a regular brake application from 35 mph to 0. However, no Panic Stop.
Now the friction surface evenly developed friction coal, the pads bonded with the disc surface, and tensions in the disc materials disappeared.
Only trained master mechanics should perform this procedure – not the car owner.
This bedding process is only suitable for the front axle not the rear.
This is related to the brake distribution of front and rear axles. In order to reach 300 degrees C (527 F) on the rear pads you would have to drive several miles with dragging brakes. However, at that time on the front axles you will have glowing red, hot discs thus destroying the front brakes.
Final note – please never forget to clean hubs and check wheel bearings. Also the brake fluid should be replaced at least every 2 years.

Thanks guys, in the next couple months I'm gonna buy some better pads and I'll do a proper procedure as soon as I get the put on. I also need to get new rotors as well. Uhg.

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