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2014/11/04 17:45:57 (permalink)
I was just looking at a review of the 980 and it showed a 3d mark 13 firestrike score of about 11k, my 780ti classified gets about 11k. Is it true that the performance would be about the same between a 780ti classified and a 980?
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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2014/11/04 19:13:45 (permalink)
    780 Ti vs 980 is relatively the same.
     
    Not too sure since I just realised that your talking about the Classy. Most times the Classy is one of the best chips with more power phases ect. 
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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2014/11/04 19:15:41 (permalink)
    Yeah, I guess I'll wait for the next round... I cannot justify 550 bucks (at cheapest) for a card that gives no performance improvements. I guess maybe a classified might be better?
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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2014/11/04 19:18:08 (permalink)
    the 980 classified is blowing up the charts. 
     
    I take back what I said, I read around 1600mhz oc for halloween, but not sure if he was using LN2 there yet.
     
    But yeah, I'd basically wait for the next chips to arrive before upgrading. 
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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2014/11/04 19:23:06 (permalink)
    People talk different things, I think people could expect about 1500MHz in some normal condition.
    Except if you completely change BIOS mode and if benchmark and number is purpose not gaming and pump with lot voltage, good cooling and completely change power limit. For gaming I think 1450-1500MHz.
     

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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2014/11/04 19:27:12 (permalink)
    You're right Vlad, I rechecked and found out what I remembered was wrong. 
     
    Halloween and a lot of others aren't like there average casual gamer like me 
     
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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2014/11/04 20:01:31 (permalink)
    not many 980s can OC past 1550 and a 780ti running ~1350 will pretty much match that in gaming. firestrike is all good and that but i don't "play" it like a game, no offence.

    there are a bunch of "misguided" folks on OCN trying to mod the 980 bios and hitting all sorts of road blocks getting past voltage limits and screwing around with the TDP. personally, if i had a 780ti classy i wouldn't look for another gpu until GM200/210 comes out.

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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2014/11/04 20:19:06 (permalink)
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    not many 980s can OC past 1550 and a 780ti running ~1350 will pretty much match that in gaming. firestrike is all good and that but i don't "play" it like a game, no offence.

    there are a bunch of "misguided" folks on OCN trying to mod the 980 bios and hitting all sorts of road blocks getting past voltage limits and screwing around with the TDP. personally, if i had a 780ti classy i wouldn't look for another gpu until GM200/210 comes out.


    Yeah, I am having a difficult time being convinced to do so. Not only is it a beast of a card, but drivers are pretty darn mature for it as well. The drivers are rock solid on the 780 ti now. 
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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2014/11/04 21:36:03 (permalink)
    Any situation where someone who is not full of money can think to upgrade is reference GTX780Ti on GTX980 Classified.
    But if someone replace GTX780Ti Classified for reference GTX980 he will get 200-300 point less GPU score out of box 256bit not 384bit but for 1GB more video memory. GTX980 OC better and maybe under some condition in some tests GTX980 will be better after OC but experience can be different. I love GTX780Ti KP Classified example, that's card of my choice and now and before 6 months, I know 3GB is limit but I will not keep this card until Volta, next 10-12 months before premium chip show up for me will be enough 3GB I will play this few games where need up to 3GB memory and than after upgrade several games where need more.

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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2014/11/05 04:07:52 (permalink)
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    You're right Vlad, I rechecked and found out what I remembered was wrong. 
     
    Halloween and a lot of others aren't like there average casual gamer like me 
     
    Using LN2 sorcery and custom BIOS from kingpin, ect. 


    The 1615 MHz OC I reached was with the Stock Bios and Water Cooling.
    I haven't used the Kingpin Modded Bios (Yet) or LN2.

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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2014/11/05 06:19:16 (permalink)
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    You're right Vlad, I rechecked and found out what I remembered was wrong. 
     
    Halloween and a lot of others aren't like there average casual gamer like me 
     
    Using LN2 sorcery and custom BIOS from kingpin, ect. 


    The 1615 MHz OC I reached was with the Stock Bios and Water Cooling.
    I haven't used the Kingpin Modded Bios (Yet) or LN2.


    Really?
    With all of them?

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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2014/11/05 06:24:00 (permalink)
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    You're right Vlad, I rechecked and found out what I remembered was wrong. 
     
    Halloween and a lot of others aren't like there average casual gamer like me 
     
    Using LN2 sorcery and custom BIOS from kingpin, ect. 


    The 1615 MHz OC I reached was with the Stock Bios and Water Cooling.
    I haven't used the Kingpin Modded Bios (Yet) or LN2.


    Really?
    With all of them?


    Yes, But that was with Only the two Classifieds I have (so far) in 2-Way SLI.
     
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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2014/11/05 06:42:49 (permalink)
    My fps is basically the same, going from a 780 ti to the 980. What is helping me is the extra gb of video memory, cause a few games require the extra ram for the highest texture sizes, and i run the swift monitor at wqhd res. If you just want more fps, i wouldn't make that jump. If my fps increased, it was more cause i went to a X99 system from my old 2600k, not cause of my gpu.

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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2014/11/05 09:37:12 (permalink)
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    Yeah, I guess I'll wait for the next round... I cannot justify 550 bucks (at cheapest) for a card that gives no performance improvements. I guess maybe a classified might be better?




    I think one could still call the 980 "better" than the 780Ti Classy because it achieves essentially the same performance on less power. However, that does not exactly justify moving from the 780Ti Classy to the 980. Were you to be choosing between the two cards as an upgrade from 200/400/500/600/etc. the 980 is the obvious choice.
     
    980 Classy might be worth upgrading to if you want bleeding edge performance but the jury is still out on how they will overclock as very few people have them, we are still waiting on waterblocks (unless you go universal), and even fewer people are going to do DIce/LN2/Phase/etc.
     
    980Ti/980Ti Classy will surely be some beastly cards but I personally will stick with my 980 Classies until maybe EOL Maxwell or definately Pascal flagship.
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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2014/11/05 10:15:28 (permalink)
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    My fps is basically the same, going from a 780 ti to the 980. What is helping me is the extra gb of video memory, cause a few games require the extra ram for the highest texture sizes, and i run the swift monitor at wqhd res. If you just want more fps, i wouldn't make that jump. If my fps increased, it was more cause i went to a X99 system from my old 2600k, not cause of my gpu.


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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2015/02/26 16:30:40 (permalink)
    780ti Classy or 980ftw  ????????
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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2015/02/26 17:36:54 (permalink)
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    780ti Classy or 980ftw  ????????


    I say 980, after my test bench experience, I like the increased memory, lower power and temps.  Competitive benching 980 all the way.
    If you are gaming at 1080P and not bottoming out your VRAM, there will be very little difference in the cards, and at that point if you have a 780ti, I would just keep it for the time being; then see what comes later.
     
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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2015/02/26 17:51:06 (permalink)
    Comparing a Classified 780Ti to a reference 980 is comparing Apples & Oranges really Not really a fare comparison at all. The only real fair comparison, would be a GTX 980 Classified vs 780 TI Classified. TheBatman1337 hit some very good points in his post! The 980 will net you more VRAM which in the near future, will be a nice thing to have, also while consuming less power!. Is it worth the upgrade? Unless you have a plenty of money to blow, then no, not really. Again like TheBatman1337 said, if you want the best bleeding edge performance levels, yes, but only if you pick up a classified 980.

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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2015/02/26 18:54:34 (permalink)
    I just got the 980 classified two days ago  this card is a beast ! I've been overclocking it little by little stock bios @ 1510 core so far and still pushing . The fans are quiet as a mofo compared to my 780ti ! I see another one for SLI soon 

     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2015/02/26 20:37:09 (permalink)
    It really doesn't compare for me after the past months, the 980SC has been better. It has 4GB of ram, no it really does (slap Nvidia), it is more power efficient and runs much cooler. And, it is smaller and look nicer in my case. 
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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2015/02/26 21:41:42 (permalink)
    I just installed my new GTX 980 Classified Kingpin today and it scored a 11591 on stock settings in fire strike and my GTX 780 Ti Classified did 10418 stock. I have not had a ton of time to mess around with OC'ing but I was able to get 12547 score after about 20 minutes with stock voltage. Best I could get with the 780 Ti with a modded bios and 1.3V was 11276, both cards are on air.

     
    The 980 runs much cooler and with less noise then the 780 which is a big plus for me.
     
    Only problem with the 980 is that it has some coil whine, hoping it goes away soon.

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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2015/02/26 21:45:00 (permalink)
    How much you get Graphics Score?
    I pay attention on EVGA only because Classified models, others are not interesting.
    For me is reference or with highest clock... And reference are best ASUS because they are closed to me and always refund money to people or allow upgrade if you pay difference and if their service find some problem. Other people had problems with GIGABYTE and MSI even with confirmed fault cards. 
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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2015/02/26 21:52:45 (permalink)
    GTX 980 Kingpin stock had a graphics score of 14837
     
    GTX 780 Ti Classy stock had a graphics score of 12808
     

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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2015/02/26 21:54:18 (permalink)
    Yes, nice score, 1500 points more than my ex score on fabric settings.
    I mean that's not some difference to hurry on upgrade, but I say it's nice score because and my card have very high clock.
    And probably is better optimized for games, higher and more stable fps probably on same place than series 700 and 1GB more video memory. 
     

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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2015/02/27 07:14:42 (permalink)
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    Comparing a Classified 780Ti to a reference 980 is comparing Apples & Oranges really Not really a fare comparison at all. The only real fair comparison, would be a GTX 980 Classified vs 780 TI Classified. TheBatman1337 hit some very good points in his post! The 980 will net you more VRAM which in the near future, will be a nice thing to have, also while consuming less power!. Is it worth the upgrade? Unless you have a plenty of money to blow, then no, not really. Again like TheBatman1337 said, if you want the best bleeding edge performance levels, yes, but only if you pick up a classified 980.


    I found a review online that directly compares an EVGA GTX 780 Ti Classified against an EVGA GTX 980 Classified.
     
    http://www.hardwareasylum.com/reviews/video/evga_gtx980_classified
     
    A quote from that review:
    "During our testing the card ran extremely well and posted some impressive benchmark scores.  From a hardware standpoint the GTX 980 is designed to be a power efficient GPU while our reference card, the GTX 780 Ti Classified, was configured as a powerhouse.  The GTX 980 comes with a higher clockspeed while the GTX 780 Ti has more CUDA cores.  This juxtaposition resulted in higher benchmark scores for the GTX 980 and near identical cores in our gaming tests.  Not always a bad thing just depends on what is important to you."
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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2015/02/27 16:01:52 (permalink)
    If you have a gtx 780 ti of any type I don't think I'd upgrade to a 980 if it's performance you want, they do however use a lot less power and run cooler, but don't have the normal 20%-30% gain that comes from generation upgrades ( hence why it's a gtx 980, not GTX 980 ti ) Granted, I'm still hoping a GTX 980 ti will be out soon, but latest rumors I've heard put it a long ways off.
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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2015/02/28 16:47:47 (permalink)
    I had a reference 780ti from zotac that had an 80% asic quality and was capable of benching over 1300mhz. It was essentially on par or ahead even in performance of a 780ti classified card. I have since moved to a evga gtx980 reference that has an ASIC of 65.8% that can clock to 1490/1500mhz depending on the benchmark and it has destroyed every score my 780ti put out. In firemark I am now over 13k in score with a graphics score of 16k.
     
    http://www.3dmark.com/fs/3773688 780ti clocked to classified speeds.(1300mhz)
    http://www.3dmark.com/fs/4088145 gtx980 at 1500mhz.
     
    Hope this clears a lot up.
     
    Do not listen to people saying the gain isnt there because it is. Games are noticebly smoother to because of the 4gb vram. My 780ti dreaded watch dogs, shadow of mordor and any other game that could push more than 3gb memory usage at 1080p. I sold my 780ti and had enough money to pay very little out of pocket for the 980.
     
    Edit 1: I dont have enough posts yet to post my 3dmark links will be back with links in a few...
    Edit 2: a few posts latter there are the links. 
    post edited by sovl22 - 2015/02/28 16:59:55
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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2015/02/28 18:11:29 (permalink)
    sovl22
    I had a reference 780ti from zotac that had an 80% asic quality and was capable of benching over 1300mhz. It was essentially on par or ahead even in performance of a 780ti classified card. I have since moved to a evga gtx980 reference that has an ASIC of 65.8% that can clock to 1490/1500mhz depending on the benchmark and it has destroyed every score my 780ti put out. In firemark I am now over 13k in score with a graphics score of 16k.
     
    http://www.3dmark.com/fs/3773688 780ti clocked to classified speeds.(1300mhz)
    http://www.3dmark.com/fs/4088145 gtx980 at 1500mhz.
     
    Hope this clears a lot up.
     
    Do not listen to people saying the gain isnt there because it is. Games are noticebly smoother to because of the 4gb vram. My 780ti dreaded watch dogs, shadow of mordor and any other game that could push more than 3gb memory usage at 1080p. I sold my 780ti and had enough money to pay very little out of pocket for the 980.
     
    Edit 1: I dont have enough posts yet to post my 3dmark links will be back with links in a few...
    Edit 2: a few posts latter there are the links. 


    Yeah, I noticed the VRAM difference. I have a 2560x1440 monitor, so it does help with the extra VRAM. 
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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2015/03/04 14:22:48 (permalink)
    I would agree with anyone saying to upgrade to a GTX 980 even over a GTX 780 TI if money is not an issue. I have a Gigabyte GTX 780 TI OC with a base clock of 1020 MHz and a boost clock of 1085 MHz and it performs the same as my GTX 980 in Tomb Raider, Heaven 4.0 Benchmark and FarCry 4. In 3DMark, 3DMark 11 the GTX 980 wins, but in Valley 1.0 the GTX 780 TI wins.
     
    Now I know I don't own a EVGA GTX 780 TI Classified but I do have a GTX 780 TI that has the exact same base and boost clock speeds of the 780 TI Classified found here:
    http://www.evga.com/products/Specs/GPU.aspx?pn=88601331-dbce-436d-8eb3-37f1f63b6745
    I would think that my results would be valid as my Gigabyte GTX 780 TI OC should perform the same as the EVGA GTX 780 TI Classified depending on actual boost frequencies of course. My Gigabyte GTX 780 TI OC actual boost frequency is 1150 MHz all stock out of the box. My old Kepler and now in my secondary computer is found here:
    http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4839#ov
     
    In Tomb Raider Benchmark maxed out at 1080P with my GTX 780 TI I scored 97.7 fps. With my GTX 980 I scored 96.8 in the same benchmark with same settings. This is a tie.
     
    Heaven 4.0 Benchmark maxed out at 1080P with a GTX 780 TI I score 65.8 fps. With the GTX 980 I score 64.5 fps. This is a tie.
     
    In Valley 1.0 Benchmark I score 73 fps with the GTX 780 TI and 68 fps with the GTX 980. This is a win for the GTX 780 TI
     
    FarCry 4 maxed out at 1080P with  8X MSAA in-game both cards perform at or around 30 fps most of the time. But here is where the GTX 980 just feels smoother at the same fps. It seems the GTX 780 TI is using all of it's video ram and the game hitches after a while of playing. This is a win for the GTX 980.
     
    It seems like my stock GTX 980 is just as fast as my factory overclocked GTX 780 TI in games where it counts for me. It is nice to have slightly better 3DMark scores with the GTX 980 except for Vantage where the GTX 780 TI is faster. I will gladly post links of my benchmark scores later.
     
    I'm a PC gamer so I don't really care too much about power consumption although it is nice to be using less power with the GTX 980.
     
    I don't really care too much about fan noise while gaming as I have my headset on anyways, but it's nice to not have the fans spinning at idle until temps reach 65C.
     
    I upgraded because I had the cash and plus I really wanted an EVGA card again. Mainly it was because when I first purchased my Gigabyte GTX 780 TI OC it was not stable in a few games and benchmarks. It would artifact in 3DMark 11 only on the under water graphics test and sometimes crash on the Sky Diver test in 3DMark. As it turned out the Sky Diver crash was later patched and the GTX 780 TI ran it fine afterward. Plus a stability bios came out for the GTX 780 TI and it seemed to have corrected any artifact and crashing I had.
     
    I would say get the GTX 980. It's a sweet little card that runs cool, performs good and uses less power.
     
    Here is 3DMark Vantage with my factory overclocked GTX 780 TI.
    http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/5231874
     
    Here is 3DMark Vantage with my stock GTX 980.
    http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/5230043
     
     
    Here is 3DMark 11 with my factory overclocked GTX 780 TI.
    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/9494990
     
    Here is 3DMark 11 with my stock GTX 980.
    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/9455142
     
     
    Here is 3DMark with my factory overclocked GTX 780 TI.
    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/6068193
     
    Here is 3DMark with my stock GTX 980.
    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5957579
    post edited by David20player - 2015/03/04 15:12:56

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    Re: 780 ti classified vs 980 2015/03/04 23:09:21 (permalink)
    you need to overclock you will see a huge difference.
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