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    Re: NVIDIA CEO on GTX 970 VRAM issues: 'we'll do a better job next time' 2015/02/25 08:12:07 (permalink)
    The author says:

    I'm confused by the last part though, as it's being called a "new feature", but what new feature are we talking about exactly, NVIDIA?


    Really? Is the author joking? Or does he have no idea what he is writing about?
    The feature is the architecture change which allowed any random SMM to be disabled but still keep 7 memory controllers synchronously tied and leave the random 8th memory controller in a separate memory pool.
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    Re: NVIDIA CEO on GTX 970 VRAM issues: 'we'll do a better job next time' 2015/02/25 12:29:37 (permalink)
    Bought and paid for like everyone else in the Green Circle. CEO has got to go unless his fan boys hang tight with this bully.

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    Re: NVIDIA CEO on GTX 970 VRAM issues: 'we'll do a better job next time' 2015/02/25 13:09:20 (permalink)
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    Bought and paid for like everyone else in the Green Circle. CEO has got to go unless his fan boys hang tight with this bully.

    What does that even mean?

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    Re: NVIDIA CEO on GTX 970 VRAM issues: 'we'll do a better job next time' 2015/02/25 13:40:42 (permalink)
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    Bought and paid for like everyone else in the Green Circle. CEO has got to go unless his fan boys hang tight with this bully.

    What does that even mean?


    it means: "Im a AMD fanboy and everything Nvidia does is about money. Because AMD is the jesus of tech and does things for good"

    Sorry to break it to you but everyone in AMD is bought and paid for, why? Because they are all hired on as employees and paid by AMD. The exact same as Nvidia.
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    Re: NVIDIA CEO on GTX 970 VRAM issues: 'we'll do a better job next time' 2015/02/25 17:01:46 (permalink)
    I'm not here to argue or go tit for tat. The answers are just a google away in case you've been hiding in a closet. They both are in it for the profit one just keeps the door closed more than the other is all I mean which is not hard to figure out.

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    Re: NVIDIA CEO on GTX 970 VRAM issues: 'we'll do a better job next time' 2015/02/26 01:31:26 (permalink)
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    Re: NVIDIA CEO on GTX 970 VRAM issues: 'we'll do a better job next time' 2015/02/26 07:37:40 (permalink)
    sorry but did Nvidia PR mess up? yes
     
    Does the GTX 970 preform like reviews and benchmarks said it would? yes
     
    Are people blowing this way out of preportion? Yes
     
    Also I must ask if you hate Nvidia why are you on these forums, its quite obvious EVGA doesn't make AMD cards
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    Re: NVIDIA CEO on GTX 970 VRAM issues: 'we'll do a better job next time' 2015/02/26 07:48:29 (permalink)
    Did Nvidia said 4gB GDDR5?. Yes.
     
    Do we get it?. No.
     
    Are all benchmarking applications and games carefully picked by Nvidia?. Yes.
     
    Also I must ask if you hate Nvidia why are you on these forums, its quite obvious EVGA doesn't make AMD cards

     
    To everyone:
     
    Kindly teach this guy above me that calling someone out on their lies etc doesn't make us haters or one side or with a negative agenda. Be nice though and no bad language.
     
     
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    Re: NVIDIA CEO on GTX 970 VRAM issues: 'we'll do a better job next time' 2015/02/26 08:10:37 (permalink)
    Fettle
    Did Nvidia said 4gB GDDR5?. Yes.
     
    Do we get it?. No.
     
    Are all benchmarking applications and games carefully picked by Nvidia?. Yes.
     
    Also I must ask if you hate Nvidia why are you on these forums, its quite obvious EVGA doesn't make AMD cards

     
    To everyone:
     
    Kindly teach this guy above me that calling someone out on their lies etc doesn't make us haters or one side or with a negative agenda. Be nice though and no bad language.
     
     




    it actully does have 4gb of ram on the card, count the memory yourself, its all there. Your upset over nothing, and its getting quite old honestly, just go buy an AMD card and go hang out at rage3d if your so upset, the rest of us are tired of listening to the endless prattle coming from this.
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    Re: NVIDIA CEO on GTX 970 VRAM issues: 'we'll do a better job next time' 2015/02/26 10:36:24 (permalink)
    I do not hate Nvidia I have no less than 5 Nvidia GPU deployed and have been a dedicated Green fan for 20 years but they are making it harder and harder to be so dedicated. The newest series (900s) should have blown away the competition and only marginally does so. The previous generation (700s) stomped on the life cycle of the 600s and still feel short except for the 3rd iteration (4gb)(Ti) on Nvidia optimized games. The promise of SLI is still largely a pipe dream with most games still experiencing random issues depending on driver. Way less than perfect by any stretch of the imagination. We still have to use SLI Bridges and matched pairs for SLI when the comp does not have the same limitation. They continue to maintain proprietary features that force game developers to choose how a game is made and optimized. The competition has offered an alternative that in the end would benefit all gamers, regardless of hardware which was rejected by Nvidia and immediately followed by creating there own proprietary solution again further complicating things.  The competition used 4GB of memory and a 512 bit memory bus standard on there top end cards before Nvidia who seems stuck at 256 bit and initially sold top end cards with only 2gb of memory. It was only after they realized higher resolution monitors, in more than a handful of games, required at least 4gb they started offering a 4gb edition. I mean really they didn't care enough to know this ahead of time? That's what gets me most about what Nvidia is doing these days, it used to be Nvidia leading the way, at the fore front of innovation and progressive thinking, instead of playing catchup from the rear or using a competitors initiative after the fact. Add to that the premium we pay for each new upgrade, we simple aren't getting what we used to for that upgrade buck. It's not that their cards aren't better, they largely are it's how they get there that largely benefits Nvidia not us. Consider how much better they could be.
    This is just another example of how hype and facts just don't come together. Skewing games and benchmarks is only the tip of the iceberg, because that is what we see, it's all the lies underneath that, that is the problem. We have been duped like mind numb robots to accept the next new iterations as if it is the latest and greatest regardless of the facts which indicate they are trickling out innovation slower than Intel. That might be a slight exaggeration but noe the less you get the point.
    It's the same old story AMD vs Nvidia or Intel vs AMD when you win the market share you simply invest in other things, setting innovation on the sideline and worst of all not fixing long running issues.
    I have chosen to support with my hard earned dollar a company (AMD) that appears to be trying to correct this problems. It does not make me a fan boy but I do feel like I'm doing my best to correct and otherwise dysfunctional state of gaming and high end GPU market. God only knows what all this would be like with out them and Nvidia solely in charge. Bottom line I can't wait for AMD Fiji 390x as it will be my next upgrade for my main gamer PC and once again represent innovation that I used to get with Green. It may not be perfect but it will be supporting real innovation not hype.
    On a lighter Note
    Here's a Headline & caption for ya

    Nvidia wins market share from AMD


     source

    and here's a SHOCKING interview with Nvidia engineer about the 970 fiasco

     
     
     
    source
           

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    Re: NVIDIA CEO on GTX 970 VRAM issues: 'we'll do a better job next time' 2015/02/26 11:09:51 (permalink)
    owcraftsman
    I do not hate Nvidia I have no less than 5 Nvidia GPU deployed and have been a dedicated Green fan for 20 years but they are making it harder and harder to be so dedicated. The newest series (900s) should have blown away the competition and only marginally does so. The previous generation (700s) stomped on the life cycle of the 600s and still feel short except for the 3rd iteration (4gb)(Ti) on Nvidia optimized games. The promise of SLI is still largely a pipe dream with most games still experiencing random issues depending on driver. Way less than perfect by any stretch of the imagination. We still have to use SLI Bridges and matched pairs for SLI when the comp does not have the same limitation. They continue to maintain proprietary features that force game developers to choose how a game is made and optimized. The competition has offered an alternative that in the end would benefit all gamers, regardless of hardware which was rejected by Nvidia and immediately followed by creating there own proprietary solution again further complicating things.  The competition used 4GB of memory and a 512 bit memory bus standard on there top end cards before Nvidia who seems stuck at 256 bit and initially sold top end cards with only 2gb of memory. It was only after they realized higher resolution monitors, in more than a handful of games, required at least 4gb they started offering a 4gb edition. I mean really they didn't care enough to know this ahead of time? That's what gets me most about what Nvidia is doing these days, it used to be Nvidia leading the way, at the fore front of innovation and progressive thinking, instead of playing catchup from the rear or using a competitors initiative after the fact. Add to that the premium we pay for each new upgrade, we simple aren't getting what we used to for that upgrade buck. It's not that their cards aren't better, they largely are it's how they get there that largely benefits Nvidia not us. Consider how much better they could be.
    This is just another example of how hype and facts just don't come together. Skewing games and benchmarks is only the tip of the iceberg, because that is what we see, it's all the lies underneath that, that is the problem. We have been duped like mind numb robots to accept the next new iterations as if it is the latest and greatest regardless of the facts which indicate they are trickling out innovation slower than Intel. That might be a slight exaggeration but noe the less you get the point.
    It's the same old story AMD vs Nvidia or Intel vs AMD when you win the market share you simply invest in other things, setting innovation on the sideline and worst of all not fixing long running issues.
    I have chosen to support with my hard earned dollar a company (AMD) that appears to be trying to correct this problems. It does not make me a fan boy but I do feel like I'm doing my best to correct and otherwise dysfunctional state of gaming and high end GPU market. God only knows what all this would be like with out them and Nvidia solely in charge. Bottom line I can't wait for AMD Fiji 390x as it will be my next upgrade for my main gamer PC and once again represent innovation that I used to get with Green. It may not be perfect but it will be supporting real innovation not hype.
    On a lighter Note
    Here's a Headline & caption for ya

    Nvidia wins market share from AMD


     source

    and here's a SHOCKING interview with Nvidia engineer about the 970 fiasco

     
     
     
    source
           




    Nvidia used larger bus's in the past, they where the first with a 512bit bus, back on GT200, but why waste the board space if it only needs 256bit? Nvidia's maxwell is highly optimized compared to what AMD is offering, that is the diffrence, they are optimizing their hardware not just going in like a tank. 
     
    Whats funny is back in 2010 everyone complained that the GTX 480 was to hot, to loud, and used to much power compared to the HD 5870, and was a terrible buy, now that the shoe is on the other foot, AMD is still a god send and no one has any problems. Thats whats wrong with your statement, Nvidia does more with less, and it angers you.
     
    also the fact you think the interview is real is rather suprising, I'm not really sure what to think of you right now, brainwashed comes to mind though
    post edited by candle_86 - 2015/02/26 11:12:47
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    Re: NVIDIA CEO on GTX 970 VRAM issues: 'we'll do a better job next time' 2015/02/26 14:28:29 (permalink)
    You got it wrong I'm in no way angered. Biggest reason why is I haven't bought a Nvidia GPU since the GTX680s two of which I just sold. Instead I bought a 290x shortly after them that out performed the two of them put together. Nvidia scrambled to compete which ushered in the 780 effectively shorten the life of the 680 in a way Nvidia never did before. At one time you could be assured your investment would last at least a year before obsolete. What are we supposed to do buy 2 upgrades per year now? That's insane or at least my pockets aren't that deep. If anything I feel sorry for those who were hoping for the same as usual especially Titan owners who have got to feel a bit cheated. More over I'm glad I didn't buy the BS so I'm far from angry actually patting myself on the back for controlling my impulses.
    I have one of those 480s left in my arsenal the last lifetime guarantee card from EVGA and it's still a great GPU and it has a 320 bit bus but that's the kinda of thing I want to see before I buy another Nvidia card. I'm in the middle of a new build now and almost dropped the coin on a pair of 970s, boy I'm glad I didn't.
    To the matter of more with less, that certainly doesn't apply to what we pay for Nvidia cards so It's unclear what you mean by that. If anything AMD does more with less from industry support to revenue they are surely on the short side. IMO 
    Final word: I want Nvidia at the top, which is why I wasted my time here to begin with, but before I spend premium bucks I want a premium product at or beyond cutting edge, at a reasonable price and kicking ass with all competitors in it's wake like I'm used to with their products. Stop cutting up old silicon and reusing old memory architectures and stifling the industry with their proprietary BS to give us what we want.

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    Re: NVIDIA CEO on GTX 970 VRAM issues: 'we'll do a better job next time' 2015/02/26 15:52:19 (permalink)
    You do know that the video with the 970, is actually a Mexican comedy show. They don't even talk about the 970. It was just some video that people put dubbing on that showed up on /r/satire and /r/PCMR, that seems many actually believe is real. Then again people still think the titanic was a inside job, and North Korea isn't a real place and just propaganda for USA to control S. Korea.
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    Re: NVIDIA CEO on GTX 970 VRAM issues: 'we'll do a better job next time' 2015/02/26 16:14:40 (permalink)
    Why make the 512 MB segment usable though if it brings the card to its knees when it hits it though.  It should have been hidden and separate to the usable high performance VRAM.
     
    Even if they conveyed what they wrote in the blog in the first place, it would have made zero difference because of the major bottleneck after 3.5 GB usage.

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    Re: NVIDIA CEO on GTX 970 VRAM issues: 'we'll do a better job next time' 2015/02/26 17:49:39 (permalink)
    owcraftsman
    You got it wrong I'm in no way angered. Biggest reason why is I haven't bought a Nvidia GPU since the GTX680s two of which I just sold. Instead I bought a 290x shortly after them that out performed the two of them put together. Nvidia scrambled to compete which ushered in the 780 effectively shorten the life of the 680 in a way Nvidia never did before. At one time you could be assured your investment would last at least a year before obsolete. What are we supposed to do buy 2 upgrades per year now? That's insane or at least my pockets aren't that deep. If anything I feel sorry for those who were hoping for the same as usual especially Titan owners who have got to feel a bit cheated. More over I'm glad I didn't buy the BS so I'm far from angry actually patting myself on the back for controlling my impulses.
    I have one of those 480s left in my arsenal the last lifetime guarantee card from EVGA and it's still a great GPU and it has a 320 bit bus but that's the kinda of thing I want to see before I buy another Nvidia card. I'm in the middle of a new build now and almost dropped the coin on a pair of 970s, boy I'm glad I didn't.
    To the matter of more with less, that certainly doesn't apply to what we pay for Nvidia cards so It's unclear what you mean by that. If anything AMD does more with less from industry support to revenue they are surely on the short side. IMO 
    Final word: I want Nvidia at the top, which is why I wasted my time here to begin with, but before I spend premium bucks I want a premium product at or beyond cutting edge, at a reasonable price and kicking ass with all competitors in it's wake like I'm used to with their products. Stop cutting up old silicon and reusing old memory architectures and stifling the industry with their proprietary BS to give us what we want.




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    looks like a year between them
     
    and Maxwell is new, its not Kepler its Maxwell guess thats hard to understand?
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