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2013/09/07 01:52:31 (permalink)
So … this is going to be a strange one. Even more so because this log has starting not even at the beginning and still with so many changes to come and much undecided. This is probably the point of logs I guess.
It has also become a matter of urgency to get this documented as I have recently seen other concepts that are converging towards my own design. 
It's not that polished but if you are into Steam Punk you will probably love this.
 
Prologue
The start of this project came from a doodle scribbled down a many years ago, way before I got my head stuck into computers.
Some time later I completed training as a plumber and when I looked at the doodle again I thought “that would be fun to make out of copper pipe”. My original intention was always to form the curves by bending rather than soldering joins but this is a start.
 
After getting my head into computers and water-cooling I thought “cooling loop” and originally envisaged plugging it in to the top of a rig and using it as a giant heat-sink/radiator/cooling element thing. I looked at finned tubing to increase the surface area and even considered integrating a waterfall to increase heat transfer.
 
However, after digging out some old copper pipe (and realising the pipe benders I had for that size weren’t going to guarantee the quality curves I wanted), the quickest way forward was going to be using fittings for the angles. Having refined the pipe arrangement and not the shape to improve the symmetry and repetition of the pipe runs, it came to measuring the pipe and establishing how big it will end up by deciding the length of each “side”.
 
It was then I thought that shape will take a single radiator with push-pull fans, if I just add 5mm I can fit a psu in there and how about a bay res in that space.
 
So … it may never work … you’ll either love it or hate it … kind of odyssey / master-piece … it’s an inside-out project called Cubic.
 

post edited by BadBertie - 2013/09/07 02:14:16
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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2013/09/07 01:55:33 (permalink)
    Concept:
    Some of you may recall as young whipper-snappers, the simple puzzle for children, of drawing a house without lifting the pen off the page.

     
    Well, this is the grown-up 3D version. It’s a continuous loop and is made up of 48 straight sections and 48 right-angled bends.

     
    The lines imply a solid shape consisting of a central cube with six other equal cubes joined to each of the six faces, seven cubes in total. It is both water cooling loop and case. Although not fully decided, it is anticipated each of the seven cubes will contain a component making up a functioning, aesthetically pleasing, water cooled computer.
    I considered, from largely a leakage point of view, to place the 2 radiators and the reservoir at the bottom and to keep the psu at or near the top. This arrangement has the added benefit of better stability by keeping the heavier components low down. The tubular loop will be made of copper pipe. The pipe I have is 16mm OD with 14mm ID. In addition to the 7.2m of pipe the pipe would also contain approx 1.1kg of water. I hope my soldering skills haven’t left me. 
     
     
    I was considering flow rates and pumps as 48 right-angled bends would cause increased work for the pump(s) so I ordered the largest radius pieces I could find readily but even they were quiet tight. With the all the soldered join involved this would only decrease the flow. Shortly after starting soldering it became clear the final version must be made with formed bends rather than soldered joins.
     
    post edited by BadBertie - 2013/09/07 06:19:45

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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2013/09/07 02:01:29 (permalink)
    Prototype:
    This soldering was made a lot easier by having a fire place although a garage and workshop would have been better.

     
    Without a proper jig, I had to improvise to keep everything square or perpendicular as required. I had reworked the layout to increase the symmetry and the regularity of shapes but I wasn’t able to rationalise the design to 3 or 4 identical parts which would then join together. So I stuck to the most common regular shape and mass produced that.
     

     
    
     
    I eventually got the bits in to 3 large but not identical parts and these were easily joined together.
    
     

     

     
    As this is only a template now, I have rethought several aspects.
    I don’t need 16mm pipe. As most fittings will be ¼”  I won’t need more than 10mm pipe. Microbore is easier to bend and there are some great (and cheaper) tools for very accurate forming. The choice of diameter will more be governed by the bend radius I need. Still tbc.
    I might need 2 pumps, maybe integrated into the reservoir but also could be used in place of corners as many pumps turn flow through 90 degrees.
    I haven’t sorted the circulation routes from the rads to the water blocks but it is likely that some of loop could be isolated and used for hiding cabling instead (I know this defeats the point of a funky single loop but it’s an option).
    As you will see from the close-up although the geometry is nice and snug it’s a bit too snug. With a greater formed radius the clearance should be sufficient although I might have to bind and pad those areas to keep them rigid.
    I’ll be earthing the pipe …
     
     
     
    post edited by BadBertie - 2013/09/07 06:45:15
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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2013/09/07 02:04:04 (permalink)
    Component update.
    It's been a while since I last posted on this, partly due to moving house but also not having a clear idea on where i wanted to go with the build. Until, I found one of these. I had been looking at mini-ITX size mobos but this blew me away. I eventually found a used item on eBay.

     
    Also ordered two of these:

     
    And two of these:

    Due to the dimensions of the board, it will have to be mounted diagonally through the centre of the frame. So requiring a custom motherboard try made from this stuff:
     

     
    secured to the pipework with these:

    The mobo will be mounted with 20mm standoffs which will also allow the cables to be largely concealed.
    I've nearly finished the mobo tray so will post photos when installed.
     
    Slow progress but getting there ...
    post edited by BadBertie - 2014/11/13 04:35:53
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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2013/09/07 02:05:48 (permalink)
    Bit of fiddling involved but got the motherboard tray and motherboard placed:

     
    Next job - I have the rads on order, pretty sure I'll be using stock brackets to assist fixing to the pipe frame. But this is evolving as it goes ...
    post edited by BadBertie - 2014/12/02 04:05:23
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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2013/09/07 04:41:09 (permalink)

    i went to the darkside (intel) they had cookies lol        
    dont forget to show my modrig some lovins guys
    http://www.modsrigs.com/detail.aspx?BuildID=28174
        
     
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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2013/09/07 06:29:54 (permalink)
    shrekdaklown

    this pump should hand that even the way it is http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_201&products_id=26144


    Thanks shrekdaklown. Pumps will be critical to the success of this one. All pointers greatfully received.

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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2013/09/07 07:08:37 (permalink)
    no problem man cant wait to see more

    i went to the darkside (intel) they had cookies lol        
    dont forget to show my modrig some lovins guys
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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2014/11/13 04:36:45 (permalink)
    I know it's been a while but now i've chosen the mobo, it's coming along much quicker.

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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2014/11/13 07:46:10 (permalink)
    Very interesting idea. Waiting to see more.


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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2014/12/02 23:26:05 (permalink)
    So, pump time. Did a huge amount of reseach and found these:
    ... which would look perfect, fitted in line with the copper pipe.
    Unfortunately, due to the pipework also being structural, breaks for each pump would require secondary support. Another concern is, that due to the angular nature of the system, removing air from the high points would be tricky and best resolved with pump-reservoir combo.The only place to put these is on the underside of the motherboard tray and I definitely wanted two of them.
    In the end, found these beauties:
     ... result.
     
     
     
     
     

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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2014/12/03 23:48:35 (permalink)
    Looking forward to the final pics

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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2014/12/06 20:47:51 (permalink)
     
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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2014/12/30 06:31:44 (permalink)
    Got some 120 rads x2 - Alphacool xt45 which are going push-pull with some fans I have stashed away.
    Also picked up some (x2) 2tb hdd in the Boxing Day sales.
    So, except for the memory and a graphics card, it's just the pipe work to finish off ...

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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2015/01/24 13:54:11 (permalink)
    looking forward to your final work...

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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2015/01/29 04:00:25 (permalink)
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    looking forward to your final work...

    Me too, it's taking it's time. I've got some updates to post, hopefully this weekend.
    It's getting there ...

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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2015/01/29 08:44:24 (permalink)
    are you going to polish  the pipes at the end?

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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2015/01/30 04:38:11 (permalink)
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    are you going to polish  the pipes at the end?


    It's not a priority decision atm, I still haven't forked out for the ram yet or invented a cunning rad&fan bracket ...
    I was thinking of turning it into a rat-rig steampunk version. The square faces will be made of perforated aluminium sheet that i'd "rust up" a bit.
    The other option I am considering is to paint the pipes and the perf. alu all white.
    The first idea I had that has now taken a back burner was, instead of perf. alu for the square faces, to have led-lit perspex sheets. But that idea might have to wait for the mk2 version and a bigger budget.

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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2015/01/30 19:33:05 (permalink)
    Man, some of you guys sure have an amazing sense of creation! Super impressive!

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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2015/01/31 00:06:56 (permalink)
    Thanks j2345912

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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2015/01/31 10:04:06 (permalink)
    Here the info for the motherboard you went for:
     
    Tyan TYAN S8238
    http://tyan.com/product_SKU_spec.aspx?ProductType=MB&pid=689&SKU=600000198
     
    Bios support page is here:
    http://tyan.com/support_d...ios.aspx?model=S.S8238
     
    Downside no Opteron 6300 & 6300P support, Personally I would of gone Supermicro all the way.
     
    Supermicro H8DGT-HIBQF
    http://www.supermicro.nl/Aplus/motherboard/Opteron6000/SR56x0/H8DGT-HIBQF.cfm

     
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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2015/01/31 10:38:11 (permalink)
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    Downside no Opteron 6300 & 6300P support, Personally I would of gone Supermicro all the way.
     


    Yup, me too. I have 8 socket F and G34 4P Supermicro boards. 3 of them run 24/7.
    Once I had committed to the mobo size it came down to price. As this is still a prototype project, €100 for the Tyan 8238 was a winner.

    I'd happily switch if anyone has the same deal going for that H8DGT-HIBQF

    Thanks for the link to your forum. I'm sure I'll be in there once I've finished the "case" and I'm doing final install and setup.
    post edited by BadBertie - 2015/01/31 10:42:33

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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2015/01/31 11:00:23 (permalink)
    Wow....your a crazy man!!! That's a lot of soldering brotha. Any reason why you didn't go with quick connects or compression fittings? Or even in a couple key places? Just continuity of the look maybe? I got to say, I REALLY love your original idea the way you described it with the finned copper etc.... great use of form and function into art. I suppose you can solder your own fins on, if your ambitious enough. you def look like you have the soldering skills cause your joints look great. also, painting the copper any color I think will really make you lose the look. Its going to look like a PVC rig at that point and it wont get the recognition it deserves with how much work went into it. I actually stopped and read the whole thread because I saw all that copper, with plain copper elbows, and knew the work it takes. So def please consider the polishing route if you do anything because the DETAILS are what make rigs like this shine. You could end up on all kinds of magazines, and with sponsors for another build, if you put the time in. looking forward to this ones future!!! \m/

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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2015/01/31 13:27:41 (permalink)
    Thanks wmmils. Yes I guess you are right. It would be a shame to paint it.
    Re: joints - the original idea was to have no joins at all or, at least, very few. But to bend that entire shape probably is not possible.
    Soldered joins are the only other solution as they are integral to the strength of the structure. Pushfit not strong enough and with almost 100 joins I wouldn't trust that many compression fittings there.
    I'm now close to the point where I will be making breaks in the pipe to lead into the rads, res' and water blocks. Hopefully that will break up the loop into smaller lengths that can be bent by hand for the next one.

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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2015/01/31 13:43:48 (permalink)
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    Downside no Opteron 6300 & 6300P support, Personally I would of gone Supermicro all the way.
     


    Yup, me too. I have 8 socket F and G34 4P Supermicro boards. 3 of them run 24/7.
    Once I had committed to the mobo size it came down to price. As this is still a prototype project, €100 for the Tyan 8238 was a winner.

    I'd happily switch if anyone has the same deal going for that H8DGT-HIBQF

    Thanks for the link to your forum. I'm sure I'll be in there once I've finished the "case" and I'm doing final install and setup.

    Yeah no probs man, this project does look like fun, keep us posted here as well
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    But since we are here at EVGA Forums, also feel free to post your setups in the MR +1 topic which my good friend Chrome M Dragon made and I helped him to design make the MR +1 list for that cool project:
    http://forums.evga.com/tm...6&mpage=30#1588237
     
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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2015/02/03 15:08:53 (permalink)
    Wow, extreme! Not sure if helpful, but you can remove excess solder by wiping the just soldered joint while still hot with a damp rag as the last step :)

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    Re:Build Log - inside-out project - Cubic 2015/02/04 11:46:05 (permalink)
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    Wow, extreme! Not sure if helpful, but you can remove excess solder by wiping the just soldered joint while still hot with a damp rag as the last step :)

    Yep. But you did see photos of where I was working? No jigs there, I just had to leave them cool on ceramic tiles. The geometry was priority over a few dribbles at the time.

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