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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 08:08:54 (permalink)
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It's not "warped logic". Stop being an EVGA fanboy.




Considering I've been very critical on a lot of issues with EVGA I'm far from a fanboy. I'm done arguing with you its like talking to a tree.

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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 08:12:29 (permalink)
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That is between EVGA & nVidia. 
EVGA sold me this card without doing the proper QA, they've got my money.
They're responsible and that's just about it.


Try taking that to court and see what happens. You purchase a Ford from the local Ford dealer. The specs are put out by Ford. Not the dealer. The dealer sells you the car and provides warranty support.. Get the hint... You don't blame the dealer for false advertisement 6 months later when someone figures out the reason the cost was better than what the next model up is because they used an economic rail for the fuel injector.

You blame Ford. The dealer still provides support.. How the heck* do you think EVGA got the specs.. Do you think they just pulled them out of thin air? Or do you think they were given a set of specific guidelines to follow, which are manufactured in a country 8k miles away, and then shipped over.

Have an open mind. NVidia made the specs and EVGA is trying to help people through this. EVGA didn't design the architecture of the vram setup, so how do you expect them QA it for this specific situation?? Please, explain that.
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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 08:17:31 (permalink)
You can't compare the two. EVGA designs and mods the PCB, Ford Dealer doesn't design anything and only mods cosmetic stuff.
 
edit. Hell, they don't even mod cosmetics.
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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 08:22:14 (permalink)
not the fault of evga if nvidia cards provided with specifications other than those described.... but ... maybe it would evga that compensation should ask to nvidia ...



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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 08:23:41 (permalink)
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You can't compare the two. EVGA designs and mods the PCB, Ford Dealer doesn't design anything and only mods cosmetic stuff.
 
edit. Hell, they don't even mod cosmetics.


Haha, yes, it is exactly the same. You can order a vehicle with parts changed and different packages upgraded. The dealer installed window vents, side rails, a camper and a push bar on my truck.... So, yes, it is the same for comparison sake.

They don't mod cosmetics.. Have you never seen the additions for cosmetic sport packages for car.. The low profile spoilers.. The ground effect kits.. Really... Where have you lived?
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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 08:30:13 (permalink)
Most car mods are illegal in my country so your argument is geographically limited.
 
If you buy a car from a Ford dealer and it stalls out @ 6th gear, you'll go to your dealer to ask for compensation/refund or whatever and you wouldn't accept a bs argument that Ford ripped them off, that's about it. Worst case scenario, they'll tell you that they've contacted Ford and trying to resolve the issue.
 
I see no such thing here, no official statement from EVGA and the question still stands: "What is EVGA doing about it?".
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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 08:32:33 (permalink)
EVGA is helping their customers. Have you not read that? Have you just read what you want? EVGA has been helping people through this and providing options of what to do through this. If you CONTACT them, instead of talking about it, they will probably help you.

Geographically limited. So if I went to your region, I wouldn't see a single modified car?
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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 08:34:11 (permalink)
Well I have been offered to Step up from my SSC+ to a vanilla GTX 980 even tho I'm out of the window. I call that excellent customer service!!! I think EVGA has the best customer service out of all the others hands down. By the way I have a original SSC backplate if anyone needs one. Just pay for shipping and its yours.

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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 08:35:13 (permalink)
You'll have trouble seeing neon lights, custom paint jobs, removed car emblems, body kits...pretty much anything that can be used to hide the make & model of the car.
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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 09:06:34 (permalink)
EVGA isn't to blame here, Nvidia is. So far, my experience with EVGA has been stellar in the past. That's why I bought the SSC 970 and not the Gigabyte G1. Upon hearing about the 3.5GB issue, I decided I wanted a tad more longevity out of my card, so I contacted EVGA (there was some issue concerning a restocking fee, as I was originally going to return it, but that got sorted quickly and painlessly), and I will be stepping up to the 980. Chris B. has been kind enough to have EVGA pay for shipping as a courtesy (He didn't have to), so all I will have to pay is the difference ($200). Am I upset that I have to shell out $200 that I arguably don't really have/want to spend? Yeah, I am. It isn't EVGA's fault, however, and their response is what I've come to expect from them, as a leader in the video card market.
 
I will freely admit that the SSC 970 is an excellent card, and that I got a good one. I'm easily running an overclock of 1532mhz. and it will go higher, up to 1601mhz, although it tends to stumble a bit at times there. I merely want something with a little more longevity and the ability to utilize all 4 GBs of ram at very high resolution down the road without stuttering or the possibility of it.
 
Expecting EVGA to do something like a discount on a 980 or any number of other things suggested, is unfair. If you need to do something about it, go after Nvidia, or talk with EVGA about realistic options.

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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 16:29:18 (permalink)
Lol so kitguru is reporting Nvidia is saying they won't be fixing the 970 via drivers and that an employee misspoke. Interesting..
 
http://www.kitguru.net/co...formance-with-drivers/
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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 17:02:19 (permalink)
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Well I have been offered to Step up from my SSC+ to a vanilla GTX 980 even tho I'm out of the window. I call that excellent customer service!!! I think EVGA has the best customer service out of all the others hands down. By the way I have a original SSC backplate if anyone needs one. Just pay for shipping and its yours.


How this step up works ? What price you must pay ? The current price of 980 minus the current price of 970 or currect price of 980 minus the price you have paid when buying your 970 ? I don't know if it is worth if it to pay +200 more + shipping for 980.... Is not that better from 970.
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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 17:04:47 (permalink)
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Well I have been offered to Step up from my SSC+ to a vanilla GTX 980 even tho I'm out of the window. I call that excellent customer service!!! I think EVGA has the best customer service out of all the others hands down. By the way I have a original SSC backplate if anyone needs one. Just pay for shipping and its yours.


How this step up works ? What price you must pay ? The current price of 980 minus the current price of 970 or currect price of 980 minus the price you have paid when buying your 970 ? I don't know if it is worth if it to pay +200 more + shipping for 980.... Is not that better from 970.


 You pay the difference of what you paid. That doesn't include tax, shipping or mail in rebates. Evga has all the info on the step up page if you go read it. With that said the 970 is certainly the best value but the 980 is a power house of a card.

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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 17:21:20 (permalink)
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You pay the difference of what you paid. That doesn't include tax, shipping or mail in rebates. Evga has all the info on the step up page if you go read it. With that said the 970 is certainly the best value but the 980 is a power house of a card.

I'm also going to step up from my GTX 970 FTW to a vanilla GTX 980 ACX 2.0.

I'm hoping I'll be able to overclock it up to at least SC levels.
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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 17:22:50 (permalink)
Thx. So it would cost me current price of GTX960 + tax + shipping - price I've paid at local store with or without tax ? Taking a fact that cards in Europe are much more expensive this would be too expensive change, I would say 300 euros and this is too much for the difference. But 200$ is not so bad, that's true... But I would like to see some compensation from nvidia e.g. exchange the card for 980 + 100e more for example. At least this could be win win because nvidia would sell more 980 and cheated customers would stay loyal to nvidia. The initial cost of that card can't cost nvidia more than 200 bucks so they would not loose that much. Majority of those million people even don't know that there is such problem with their cards :)  I'm sure that if there will be no compensation from nvidia side they will loose more because all those upset people move to AMD, including me... We are talking maybe for 5% users which is 50K users.
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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 17:27:52 (permalink)
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Lol so kitguru is reporting Nvidia is saying they won't be fixing the 970 via drivers and that an employee misspoke. Interesting..
 
 


Let's play ping pong :)
http ://nl.hardware.info/nieuws/42799/msi-werkt-aan-bios-update-voor-gtx-970-tegen-uitleesfout-geheugen
 
But seems it is from 27 so maybe obsolete...
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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 17:39:25 (permalink)
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Shortened, LoL.


Again, EVGA is doing a wonderful thing for their customers (hopefully EU will follow suit).

If EVGA allows you to trade from one card to the next, while only paying the difference, that should be a joy. I understand coming up with 200+ isn't easy, but Imagine if you went with another vendor and they got a wild hair up their bum and decided they weren't going to take the loss, that you will have to sell your card and then purchase a new one. At least EVGA is trying.

I can see nvidia offering games as compensation, so it will be a "physical" item. I could also see them, and would even go as far as to advise them, to require a current gpuz screen capture and submission and original receipt for compensation. Why? Because there is plenty who will have returned their card and request all the free stuff, or even people that have never had anything that WILL take advantage of however this plays out.

I could also see them do a voucher for a monetary amount toward their own product, to verify users stay "loyal" and don't take the money and go to team red and use the funds.
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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 18:04:16 (permalink)
I would be fine with some AAA+ games - Witcher3 and GTA5 let's say :) Buuut, understand me, I'm not upset because I have 3.5GB memory but I'm upset because they were lying to us, hiding such important thing as memory subsystem. They have lied with this, next time they will lie with something else. And this needs to be stopped. If they keep silent with no compensation and apologies,  then I cannot trust them anymore and be loyal.
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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 18:06:44 (permalink)
http://www.legitreviews.com/gamers-start-petition-geforce-gtx-970-refund-evga-okays-returns-uk_158056
 
Misiak.....refund it already............meanwhile I am STILL stepping up some cards to the FTW+


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 19:02:15 (permalink)
Hmm, EVGA has been awfully generous lately. I wonder if they'll let me step-up my 970 after my window ends 2 months from now if GM200 comes out a month or so later haha.
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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 19:05:22 (permalink)
I doubt they will wait 2 more months so you can take advantage of something that hasn't been released, but you can always try.

Notice I didn't say, "that hasn't been announced..." I mean, gpuz is showing gm200 now, so there is always the possibility.
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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 19:10:56 (permalink)
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I doubt they will wait 2 more months so you can take advantage of something that hasn't been released, but you can always try.

Notice I didn't say, "that hasn't been announced..." I mean, gpuz is showing gm200 now, so there is always the possibility.

Wasn't responding to anyone, just said in jest. Thread got you jumpy
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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 21:41:37 (permalink)
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misiak
Shortened, LoL.


Again, EVGA is doing a wonderful thing for their customers (hopefully EU will follow suit).

If EVGA allows you to trade from one card to the next, while only paying the difference, that should be a joy. I understand coming up with 200+ isn't easy, but Imagine if you went with another vendor and they got a wild hair up their bum and decided they weren't going to take the loss, that you will have to sell your card and then purchase a new one. At least EVGA is trying.

I can see nvidia offering games as compensation, so it will be a "physical" item. I could also see them, and would even go as far as to advise them, to require a current gpuz screen capture and submission and original receipt for compensation. Why? Because there is plenty who will have returned their card and request all the free stuff, or even people that have never had anything that WILL take advantage of however this plays out.

I could also see them do a voucher for a monetary amount toward their own product, to verify users stay "loyal" and don't take the money and go to team red and use the funds.



EU doesn't have to follow suit, people are just returning the cards to the retailers there. EU has different laws, so no need to contact and ask, just return it for a full refund.
 
http://www.techpowerup.co...emory-controversy.html
 
 

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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/29 21:48:03 (permalink)
Nvidia will slide this crap under the rug by offering replacements... Yet, the replacement, that is supposed to fix the issue, comes with the same issue... Like the Shield tablet cracked edges... Nvidia is junk. 
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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/30 03:54:21 (permalink)
Nvidia's PR department went all "sweeping it under the rug" mode, editing previous messages from their people pertaining to supposed "miscommunication" between their technical and marketing departments.
Oh the joy.
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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/30 05:43:39 (permalink)
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EVGA isn't to blame here, Nvidia is. So far, my experience with EVGA has been stellar in the past. That's why I bought the SSC 970 and not the Gigabyte G1. Upon hearing about the 3.5GB issue, I decided I wanted a tad more longevity out of my card, so I contacted EVGA (there was some issue concerning a restocking fee, as I was originally going to return it, but that got sorted quickly and painlessly), and I will be stepping up to the 980. Chris B. has been kind enough to have EVGA pay for shipping as a courtesy (He didn't have to), so all I will have to pay is the difference ($200). Am I upset that I have to shell out $200 that I arguably don't really have/want to spend? Yeah, I am. It isn't EVGA's fault, however, and their response is what I've come to expect from them, as a leader in the video card market.
 
I will freely admit that the SSC 970 is an excellent card, and that I got a good one. I'm easily running an overclock of 1532mhz. and it will go higher, up to 1601mhz, although it tends to stumble a bit at times there. I merely want something with a little more longevity and the ability to utilize all 4 GBs of ram at very high resolution down the road without stuttering or the possibility of it.
 
Expecting EVGA to do something like a discount on a 980 or any number of other things suggested, is unfair. If you need to do something about it, go after Nvidia, or talk with EVGA about realistic options.


Must be nice of them to pay for your shipping. I was offered a step up, of course paying for the shipping, and haven't heard back from them yet.

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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/30 06:08:44 (permalink)
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EVGA isn't to blame here, Nvidia is. So far, my experience with EVGA has been stellar in the past. That's why I bought the SSC 970 and not the Gigabyte G1. Upon hearing about the 3.5GB issue, I decided I wanted a tad more longevity out of my card, so I contacted EVGA (there was some issue concerning a restocking fee, as I was originally going to return it, but that got sorted quickly and painlessly), and I will be stepping up to the 980. Chris B. has been kind enough to have EVGA pay for shipping as a courtesy (He didn't have to), so all I will have to pay is the difference ($200). Am I upset that I have to shell out $200 that I arguably don't really have/want to spend? Yeah, I am. It isn't EVGA's fault, however, and their response is what I've come to expect from them, as a leader in the video card market.
 
I will freely admit that the SSC 970 is an excellent card, and that I got a good one. I'm easily running an overclock of 1532mhz. and it will go higher, up to 1601mhz, although it tends to stumble a bit at times there. I merely want something with a little more longevity and the ability to utilize all 4 GBs of ram at very high resolution down the road without stuttering or the possibility of it.
 
Expecting EVGA to do something like a discount on a 980 or any number of other things suggested, is unfair. If you need to do something about it, go after Nvidia, or talk with EVGA about realistic options.


Must be nice of them to pay for your shipping. I was offered a step up, of course paying for the shipping, and haven't heard back from them yet.




Were you within your 90 day step up period? I was still within my 30 day return policy and well within the 90 day step up. If you were outside of the 90 day step up period, then I can see why they are charging shipping.

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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/30 06:37:10 (permalink)
Ahhh.. thats the culprit. Got it. Still, haven't heard anything back yet and this was yesterday. I understand they are probably busy and all.

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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/30 07:07:01 (permalink)
I suspect that when they offered you the step up outside of your 90 day period, it requires a sign off from a manager or something. I had to submit my step up request before anything could be done. After that, they went into my request and adjusted what was needed. I'd keep an eye on your product screen and see when/if the step up button becomes available.

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Re: What will EVGA do about the now known issue with the 970 VRAM? 2015/01/30 09:26:45 (permalink)
So far I haven't been too impressed with anyone's response to my inquiries about what options I have.  Its basically step-up (pay for shipping, difference and fees) or SOL.  EVGA's response was, "the card works as it was intended".....        I'm going to wait for Nvidia to send out the new drivers that are said to improve the ram performance, but if not, there are other options to look into:
 
http://www.maximumpc.com/amd_takes_chip_shot_nvidias_gtx_970_controversy_cuts_radeon_r9_290x_pricing
 
http://www.maximumpc.com/nvidia_will_help_disgruntled_gtx_970_owners_get_refund_says_driver_update_coming_2015
 

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