EVGA

Price difference of premium over regular gasoline

Author
Grey_Beard
CLASSIFIED Member
  • Total Posts : 2232
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2013/12/23 11:50:37
  • Location: The Land of Milk and Honey
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 10
2015/01/24 10:40:22 (permalink)
I am not sure about the prices where everyone lives, but I cannot understand why premium gas is 40 cents more than regular. I have purchased this type of fuel for 25 years. When oil was last around $45 a barrel, it was a 10 cent difference. I cannot understand the difference today, as oil has gone down the difference has gone up, It does not cost 40 cents more to make. Just seems like another money grab by our great protroleum companies. Do we ever get tried of them sticking it to us? I just do not understand that now it is an almost 25% difference in price when historically it has been around 10%. If any one knows, please share. Thanks.



#1

28 Replies Related Threads

    wmmills
    CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
    • Total Posts : 5679
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2006/01/04 20:47:29
    • Location: New Jersey
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 40
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/24 11:22:17 (permalink)
    I don't have a concrete answer for you Grey Beard and wish I did. IMO, its because being its been dropped as low as it has they figure a slight uptick on the premium end wont get much protest when the plebes, that's us poor schlubs :D,  are coming from $4.00/gal....or even higher depending what state/country etc.... One of the local stations was just saying that NJ and the Fed both are looking to hike the gas tax, which im sure is because of where its at now. I guess they think that prices might stay low like this for bit since MANY people are moving to electric and hybrid anything they can get there hands on. I suppose they could be afraid those barrel's are going to being piling up and turning into turpentine!!! lol

    MOBO: EVGA x299 Dark, CPU: I9 10900X, RAM: Patriot Viper RGB 3600 32gb, SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 1TB, M2: Samsung 970 EVO+ 1TB, PSU: CoolerMaster M2 1500, CPU HSF: EVGA 240 CLC HSF~ P/P EK Furious Vardar, G-CARD:EVGA RTX3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming w/Hybrid kit and Noctua IPPC 3000 P/P, CASE: LIAN-LI PC-V2010B w/ Window mod, OS: Windows 10 Pro 64bit, MON: Alienware AW3821DW

     New EVGA product? Register it NOW with this link:
    http://www.evga.com/register/default.asp?affiliatecode=4QFQRAMOII
     Help Our Vets From K-2!
    [link=https://strongholdfreedom
    #2
    Nereus
    Captain Goodvibes
    • Total Posts : 18915
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2009/04/09 20:05:53
    • Location: Brooklyn, NYC.
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 58
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/24 11:35:32 (permalink)
    It's likely old 'stock'... basically the gas stations have to sell the gas in their big ground tanks with a reasonable markup from whatever they paid to buy it from the distributors. Sounds like they have recently filled up their regular tanks with cheaper priced gas, but are still selling off their older 'stock' of more expensive premium gas. Premium should drop down once they refill their big tanks with cheaper priced premium from the distributors.
     
     
    post edited by Nereus - 2015/01/24 11:37:45


      BUILD 1 2   |   MINI-ITX BUILD   |   MODSRIGS $1K WIN   |   HEATWARE 111-0-0   |   ASSOCIATE CODE CSKKXUT5Q9GVAFR

    #3
    kaninja
    Omnipotent Enthusiast
    • Total Posts : 8755
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2008/10/10 23:51:13
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 25
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/24 12:13:09 (permalink)
    Simply, sales of premium fuel have fallen sharply over the last decade. Refineries are producing much less than they did 5 years ago, causing the cost of both production, due to lower volumes, and distribution to be much more expensive than when they sold 3 to 4 times as much premium fuel a decade ago.

    Edit: well I looked up the data on consumption of premium fuel and I was a bit off but the trend is correct.

    1992 - 11 million gallons / day
    2006 - 5 million gallons / day
    2012 - < 3 million gallons / day
    post edited by kaninja - 2015/01/24 12:22:41

    Corsair 650D   -  i5 3570K @ 4.6GHz  -  Corsair H80i  -  MSI Z77 M-Power  -  16GB DDR3 Corsair Dominator Platinum
    WD 1TB Caviar Black x2  -  OCZ 120GB Vertex2 SSD  -  Corsair HX620  -  GTX285 SSC  -  Samsung T240  -  DIR-655
     


    #4
    JGLuxe
    CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
    • Total Posts : 7192
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2010/10/26 03:19:09
    • Location: Cloud 9
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 17
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/24 13:29:22 (permalink)
    Around here, It always increases by 10 cents....
     
    87 : 2.67
    89 : 2.77
    91 : 2.87
     
    That's here in Los Angeles, Though... So not sure man.

    i9-12900ks @ | 128GB DDR4 | RTX 3090 FTW3 ULTRA
     
     
    #5
    BF3PRO
    CLASSIFIED Member
    • Total Posts : 3797
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2013/08/16 13:37:43
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 2
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/24 13:58:27 (permalink)
    I'd say people are realizing that there isn't much of a difference between premium and regular...

    My Affiliate Code: OEESSSDNZV

     
    #6
    kaninja
    Omnipotent Enthusiast
    • Total Posts : 8755
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2008/10/10 23:51:13
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 25
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/24 14:32:49 (permalink)
    bill1024
    BF3PRO
    I'd say people are realizing that there isn't much of a difference between premium and regular...



    There is a big difference if you're running high compression, super-charger or a turbocharger or if your timing is advanced for better performance.
    The higher octane stops detonation (pinging)that destroys pistons and cylinder heads.
    I have to use 93 and pay 30 cents more per gal than regular.




    Yup.  If your car doesn't need premium (95% of cars on the road) then regular is all you need.  However, there are quite a few high compression/forced induction vehicles that require premium to prevent detonation.  Anyone using premium fuel in a commuter car is throwing money out the window.

    Corsair 650D   -  i5 3570K @ 4.6GHz  -  Corsair H80i  -  MSI Z77 M-Power  -  16GB DDR3 Corsair Dominator Platinum
    WD 1TB Caviar Black x2  -  OCZ 120GB Vertex2 SSD  -  Corsair HX620  -  GTX285 SSC  -  Samsung T240  -  DIR-655
     


    #7
    kaninja
    Omnipotent Enthusiast
    • Total Posts : 8755
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2008/10/10 23:51:13
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 25
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/24 15:03:11 (permalink)
    bill1024
    I know some cars with turbos have sensors that can detect the octane level.
    If you put regular 87 in it cuts timing and I do believe boost to safe no knock level of performance.




    Yes, and most modern cars have knock sensors that will severely retard timing to prevent detonation.......not something you really want to have happen if you have a performance car.

    Corsair 650D   -  i5 3570K @ 4.6GHz  -  Corsair H80i  -  MSI Z77 M-Power  -  16GB DDR3 Corsair Dominator Platinum
    WD 1TB Caviar Black x2  -  OCZ 120GB Vertex2 SSD  -  Corsair HX620  -  GTX285 SSC  -  Samsung T240  -  DIR-655
     


    #8
    Violence.
    FTW Member
    • Total Posts : 1913
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2011/11/12 14:06:57
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 5
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/24 15:15:59 (permalink)
    i dont run anything but 93 octane in my corvette, regular unleaded in my 91 s10. some newer cars have the stipulation inside the fuel door and in the owners manual to run minimum of 93 octane. My wifes mercedes benz had this. 93 octane only. 
    #9
    DAVE2HOT4U
    FTW Member
    • Total Posts : 1114
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2009/10/27 09:38:02
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 3
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/24 15:37:37 (permalink)
    my opionion is they are just gouging us as normal. I remember when diesel was 1/2 what premium fuel was . How did it get to almost double the price now days (Gouging) the public. they have killed off people that has made advances in fuel economy. including people making water vapor systems that function without gasoline. I remember when a GM mechanic got a reward for a carb that got around 100 mpg in a full sized cadillac in the late 60s. she had asked mr to fill her tank up and took less that 1 gal she thought it was a bad fuel gauge and took it back to dealer and I asked him if she had come in and he laughed and said he got a bonus for finding the expermental carb.
    #10
    XrayMan
    Insert Custom Title Here
    • Total Posts : 73000
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2006/12/14 22:10:06
    • Location: Santa Clarita, Ca.
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 115
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/24 15:55:18 (permalink)
     
    Octane is defined as a fuel's resistance to knocking. There is no benefit if the octane is higher than what the engine needs. Engine knock occurs when fuel in a combustion chamber ignites before it should. This disrupts the engine's operation. But electronic knock sensors are now common and have nearly eliminated engine disruption. The American Petroleum Institute says if you find that your car runs fine on a lower grade, there is no sense switching to premium. The Institute recommends following manufacturer's recommendation, but even those manufacturers say that it is more of a suggestion.
     
     
    So in theory, if your car runs just fine with regular unleaded, then keep using it, instead of wasting your money on premium.

                My Affiliate Code: 8WEQVXMCJL
     
            Associate Code: VHKH33QN4W77V6A
     
                 
     
     
                      
     
     
     
              
     
       
     
               
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     



     
     
     
     
     
     &nbsp
    #11
    kaninja
    Omnipotent Enthusiast
    • Total Posts : 8755
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2008/10/10 23:51:13
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 25
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/24 15:59:16 (permalink)
    DAVE2HOT4U
    my opionion is they are just gouging us as normal. I remember when diesel was 1/2 what premium fuel was . How did it get to almost double the price now days (Gouging) the public.



    No, it is supply and demand economics.  Diesel demand is growing at twice the pace as regular petroleum, and is out stripping supply capability which puts strain on refineries to increase capacity which takes more money.  Also, the addition of Ultra-Low Sulfur diesel costs refineries Billions.  U.S. regular gas consumption has declined by 5 percent since 2004, while diesel demand has increased by 29 percent.  A much smaller percentage of a barrel of oil can actually be refined into diesel as opposed to gasoline.  A 42 gallon barrel of oil can be refined into about 20 gallons or regular gasoline, but only about 10 gallons of diesel.  If diesel demand falls or flat lines and the supply/demand/growth would be similar to gasoline then the price would reflect accordingly. 

    Corsair 650D   -  i5 3570K @ 4.6GHz  -  Corsair H80i  -  MSI Z77 M-Power  -  16GB DDR3 Corsair Dominator Platinum
    WD 1TB Caviar Black x2  -  OCZ 120GB Vertex2 SSD  -  Corsair HX620  -  GTX285 SSC  -  Samsung T240  -  DIR-655
     


    #12
    Grey_Beard
    CLASSIFIED Member
    • Total Posts : 2232
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2013/12/23 11:50:37
    • Location: The Land of Milk and Honey
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 10
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/24 17:25:17 (permalink)
    I live in Indiana. Cannot believe the price difference in LA is less. My car requires it, as I own an Infiniti. I love the car. The complexity of the engine means it needs higher compression for the variable timing and it needs the higher burn fuel to get the 328hp from a 3.7L V6. I see way too many luxury cars around to think that the demand for premium has really dropped by those amounts, just surprises me. Seems like gouging to me. If it is caused by lower production then that can be the driver.

    The issue with refineries is that no one wants one by them, so local governments are killing them before the can get started. They have been expanding the in Northern Indiana along Lake Michigan, but there are always reports about mercury levels coming from the plant. Given that the capacity to produce is capped, this will continue to be a problem.



    #13
    Baltothewolf
    CLASSIFIED Member
    • Total Posts : 3762
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2012/03/23 23:27:34
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 5
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/24 17:38:11 (permalink)
    I only put 91 in the Mustang, but 87 goes in the insight.

    87 = 2.39
    89 = 2.49
    91 = 2.59.

    .20 isn't that big of a deal, even when putting 12 gallons in. However, the Mustang is only getting 12.5mpg while the insight is getting 62+ so, yea.

    That is for Chevron. Arco is like .30 cheaper all across the board. I refuse to fill with Arco though, I'll never put that **** in my car.
    post edited by Baltothewolf - 2015/01/24 17:40:11

    My Laptop (GE63VR-7RF):
    -7700HQ.
    -16GB RAM.
    -GTX 1070.
    -128GB SSD.
    -1X 1TB 7200 spinny drive.

    #14
    RikkiTorment
    iCX Member
    • Total Posts : 379
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2014/11/08 22:06:47
    • Location: West Chester, PA
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 0
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/28 00:00:17 (permalink)
    You cannot forget the fact that they now dilute gasoline with this ethanol garbage, basically alcohol made from corn that does not meet standard for consumption.  Sadly, this is an excuse to charge you more when there is a drought and a freezing season in the mid west, you know...  Every year.
     
    It's just a bunch of monopolized dillweeds knowing that they can raise the price to whatever they want and we will still pay it.

    "Is our skin to keep the world out or our bodies in?"
     
    ASRock Xtreme6
    Intel i7 4820k 4.5ghz air cooled
    16gb G.Skill Trident X Quad Channel 2400
    EVGA GTX 770 2GB SC x2
    #15
    HAZMAN_THE_GREAT
    CLASSIFIED Member
    • Total Posts : 4805
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2011/12/01 04:40:46
    • Location: Planet Earth
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 7
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/28 00:29:45 (permalink)

     
    Source
     
    By the way I just want to add that here in Texas we pay 38 cents for every gallon in tax and California has to pay 65 cents for every gallon in tax. Big difference in average indeed for the liberal states.
    post edited by HAZMAN_THE_GREAT - 2015/01/28 00:32:22


    #16
    NordicJedi
    EVGA Forum Moderator
    • Total Posts : 12570
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2007/07/16 21:05:08
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 77
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/28 03:26:16 (permalink)
    I generally only fill up on premium if I'm going up into mountains or areas that will be hard on the car, but I stick with regular otherwise.
     
    To respond to the original question, I would think Nereus's answer is correct, that the station is selling off it's current stock and will later lower the price after receiving newer shipments.

    6012mhz on L/N2 
    5321mhz on L/N2
    5091mhz on air
    The Lightsaber
    The Emperor Reborn
    #17
    kaninja
    Omnipotent Enthusiast
    • Total Posts : 8755
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2008/10/10 23:51:13
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 25
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/28 12:42:05 (permalink)
    NordicJedi
    To respond to the original question, I would think Nereus's answer is correct, that the station is selling off it's current stock and will later lower the price after receiving newer shipments.


    Not correct. Prices raise at the pump regardless of what stock is in the ground tanks as retailers adjust pricing based on current wholesale pricing. On top of that they usually raise prices at the pump like a rocket when wholesale prices rise, but drop them like a feather when they fall. Commodity pricing structures do not follow typical retail market trickle down price increases.

    Corsair 650D   -  i5 3570K @ 4.6GHz  -  Corsair H80i  -  MSI Z77 M-Power  -  16GB DDR3 Corsair Dominator Platinum
    WD 1TB Caviar Black x2  -  OCZ 120GB Vertex2 SSD  -  Corsair HX620  -  GTX285 SSC  -  Samsung T240  -  DIR-655
     


    #18
    Nereus
    Captain Goodvibes
    • Total Posts : 18915
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2009/04/09 20:05:53
    • Location: Brooklyn, NYC.
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 58
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/28 14:44:38 (permalink)
    kaninja
    NordicJedi
    To respond to the original question, I would think Nereus's answer is correct, that the station is selling off it's current stock and will later lower the price after receiving newer shipments.


    Not correct. Prices raise at the pump regardless of what stock is in the ground tanks as retailers adjust pricing based on current wholesale pricing. On top of that they usually raise prices at the pump like a rocket when wholesale prices rise, but drop them like a feather when they fall. Commodity pricing structures do not follow typical retail market trickle down price increases.



    Raise, yes. Drop, not so much.
     
    Actually you say not correct to Nordic/me, but then expand on that in a way that sounds like you do agree ...?
     


      BUILD 1 2   |   MINI-ITX BUILD   |   MODSRIGS $1K WIN   |   HEATWARE 111-0-0   |   ASSOCIATE CODE CSKKXUT5Q9GVAFR

    #19
    RikkiTorment
    iCX Member
    • Total Posts : 379
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2014/11/08 22:06:47
    • Location: West Chester, PA
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 0
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/28 14:51:00 (permalink)
    I sadly have to admit that I used to work at a gas station, Wawa to be exact, and I used to crunch numbers with our General Manager and these guys only make about 10 cents per gallon.

    "Is our skin to keep the world out or our bodies in?"
     
    ASRock Xtreme6
    Intel i7 4820k 4.5ghz air cooled
    16gb G.Skill Trident X Quad Channel 2400
    EVGA GTX 770 2GB SC x2
    #20
    Holo
    CLASSIFIED Member
    • Total Posts : 3328
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2009/08/23 10:48:22
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 4
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/28 16:08:50 (permalink)
    kaninja
    bill1024
    BF3PRO
    I'd say people are realizing that there isn't much of a difference between premium and regular...



    There is a big difference if you're running high compression, super-charger or a turbocharger or if your timing is advanced for better performance.
    The higher octane stops detonation (pinging)that destroys pistons and cylinder heads.
    I have to use 93 and pay 30 cents more per gal than regular.




    Yup.  If your car doesn't need premium (95% of cars on the road) then regular is all you need.  However, there are quite a few high compression/forced induction vehicles that require premium to prevent detonation.  Anyone using premium fuel in a commuter car is throwing money out the window.


    And like 95% of all statistics this one is pulled out of thin air too. Many new cars run on premium, and many other cars also run on premium. Doubt it's just 5%.


      


    #21
    kaninja
    Omnipotent Enthusiast
    • Total Posts : 8755
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2008/10/10 23:51:13
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 25
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/28 20:00:39 (permalink)
    Holo
    And like 95% of all statistics this one is pulled out of thin air too. Many new cars run on premium, and many other cars also run on premium. Doubt it's just 5%.




    Edmunds lists 17% of all models available for sale require premium.  Since many of those models are luxury vehicles with way lower sales volumes compared to the meat and potatoes commuter cars that run on regular I didn't think it was a stretch to think it was 5%......maybe 5-10% would have been more acceptable figure.....but nowhere near 17%.
     
    Here is a great graph from the EIA showing the dramatic decline of Premium Fuel usage even though the number of models requiring premium have almost doubled since 2000.

     
    So that was my thought process, not just out of thin air.
    post edited by kaninja - 2015/01/28 20:02:23

    Corsair 650D   -  i5 3570K @ 4.6GHz  -  Corsair H80i  -  MSI Z77 M-Power  -  16GB DDR3 Corsair Dominator Platinum
    WD 1TB Caviar Black x2  -  OCZ 120GB Vertex2 SSD  -  Corsair HX620  -  GTX285 SSC  -  Samsung T240  -  DIR-655
     


    #22
    srtie4k
    FTW Member
    • Total Posts : 1589
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2010/11/05 05:11:13
    • Location: New Hampster
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 2
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/29 05:16:01 (permalink)
    Grey_Beard
    I live in Indiana. Cannot believe the price difference in LA is less. My car requires it, as I own an Infiniti. I love the car. The complexity of the engine means it needs higher compression for the variable timing and it needs the higher burn fuel to get the 328hp from a 3.7L V6. I see way too many luxury cars around to think that the demand for premium has really dropped by those amounts, just surprises me. Seems like gouging to me. If it is caused by lower production then that can be the driver.

    The issue with refineries is that no one wants one by them, so local governments are killing them before the can get started. They have been expanding the in Northern Indiana along Lake Michigan, but there are always reports about mercury levels coming from the plant. Given that the capacity to produce is capped, this will continue to be a problem.



    Hate to rain on your parade, but variable timing is not a very complex technology. It's been in cars for decades now, and even the lowliest C segment car uses variable timing.
     
    Your car requires 91/93 because it's a high compression engine with above average advanced timing. There's nothing more complex about your engine than there is in a Mazda 3 with a SkyActiv engine.
    post edited by srtie4k - 2015/01/29 05:17:07

    Gaming Rig:
    Corsair Vegeance C70, Swiftech H220, Intel i7-3770K @ 4.5GHz (1.24V), Asus Sabertooth Z77, Corsair AX860, 16GB Corsair Vegeance DDR3-1600 CL9 1.35V, EVGA GTX 670 FTW, SanDisk Extreme 240GB SSD, Dell 2408WFP, Corsair K70 Cherry Red, Corsair M65, Logitech Z-5500 5.1
    Steambox/HTPC:
    Lian Li PC-Q01A, AMD A10-7800, ASRock FM2A88X-ITX, Seasonic ST30SF, 8GB Samsung DDR3-1600 @ 1866, Samsung 840 Evo 250GB MSATA SSD
     
    Affiliate Code: KKDMX98FNV
    #23
    Holo
    CLASSIFIED Member
    • Total Posts : 3328
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2009/08/23 10:48:22
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 4
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/29 06:41:15 (permalink)
    kaninja
    Holo
    And like 95% of all statistics this one is pulled out of thin air too. Many new cars run on premium, and many other cars also run on premium. Doubt it's just 5%.




    Edmunds lists 17% of all models available for sale require premium.  Since many of those models are luxury vehicles with way lower sales volumes compared to the meat and potatoes commuter cars that run on regular I didn't think it was a stretch to think it was 5%......maybe 5-10% would have been more acceptable figure.....but nowhere near 17%.
     
    Here is a great graph from the EIA showing the dramatic decline of Premium Fuel usage even though the number of models requiring premium have almost doubled since 2000.

     
    So that was my thought process, not just out of thin air.


    I still think that statistic is low, and that's due to several key models made by Honda that require premium. The Civic requires premium, several Toyotas do too. All new cars today are moving towards premium fuel for better gas mileage.


      


    #24
    HAZMAN_THE_GREAT
    CLASSIFIED Member
    • Total Posts : 4805
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2011/12/01 04:40:46
    • Location: Planet Earth
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 7
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/29 07:06:10 (permalink)
    srtie4k
    Grey_Beard
    I live in Indiana. Cannot believe the price difference in LA is less. My car requires it, as I own an Infiniti. I love the car. The complexity of the engine means it needs higher compression for the variable timing and it needs the higher burn fuel to get the 328hp from a 3.7L V6. I see way too many luxury cars around to think that the demand for premium has really dropped by those amounts, just surprises me. Seems like gouging to me. If it is caused by lower production then that can be the driver.

    The issue with refineries is that no one wants one by them, so local governments are killing them before the can get started. They have been expanding the in Northern Indiana along Lake Michigan, but there are always reports about mercury levels coming from the plant. Given that the capacity to produce is capped, this will continue to be a problem.



    Hate to rain on your parade, but variable timing is not a very complex technology. It's been in cars for decades now, and even the lowliest C segment car uses variable timing.
     
    Your car requires 91/93 because it's a high compression engine with above average advanced timing. There's nothing more complex about your engine than there is in a Mazda 3 with a SkyActiv engine.


    Your right about that. Funny thing is my mazda 3 skyactiv is not required to use premium gas like Grey was talking about with higher compression engines. My 2.0L engine has a compression ratio of 13 to 1. Whats funny too is even if I did use premium gas I dont gain any improvements in power or fuel efficiency.


    #25
    srtie4k
    FTW Member
    • Total Posts : 1589
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2010/11/05 05:11:13
    • Location: New Hampster
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 2
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/29 07:15:41 (permalink)
    The octane rating in gas is, in layman's terms, simply a measure of how much it can be compressed before it spontaneously combusts. High octane gas is only necessary in high compression and/or highly advanced timing (i.e. high performance) vehicles. Octane has little to nothing to do with fuel economy.
     
    The rule of thumb is to use what your car/manufacturer/owner's manual recommends. Using a higher octane fuel in a commuter car is doing nothing but wasting money.

    Gaming Rig:
    Corsair Vegeance C70, Swiftech H220, Intel i7-3770K @ 4.5GHz (1.24V), Asus Sabertooth Z77, Corsair AX860, 16GB Corsair Vegeance DDR3-1600 CL9 1.35V, EVGA GTX 670 FTW, SanDisk Extreme 240GB SSD, Dell 2408WFP, Corsair K70 Cherry Red, Corsair M65, Logitech Z-5500 5.1
    Steambox/HTPC:
    Lian Li PC-Q01A, AMD A10-7800, ASRock FM2A88X-ITX, Seasonic ST30SF, 8GB Samsung DDR3-1600 @ 1866, Samsung 840 Evo 250GB MSATA SSD
     
    Affiliate Code: KKDMX98FNV
    #26
    kaninja
    Omnipotent Enthusiast
    • Total Posts : 8755
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2008/10/10 23:51:13
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 25
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/29 07:54:12 (permalink)
    Holo
    I still think that statistic is low, and that's due to several key models made by Honda that require premium. The Civic requires premium, several Toyotas do too. All new cars today are moving towards premium fuel for better gas mileage.




    You mean the Civic Si requires premium.......and it accounts for a whopping 5% of Civic Sales?  So of the over 350,000 Civics sold in North America each year, about 15,000 - 20,000 require premium.

    Corsair 650D   -  i5 3570K @ 4.6GHz  -  Corsair H80i  -  MSI Z77 M-Power  -  16GB DDR3 Corsair Dominator Platinum
    WD 1TB Caviar Black x2  -  OCZ 120GB Vertex2 SSD  -  Corsair HX620  -  GTX285 SSC  -  Samsung T240  -  DIR-655
     


    #27
    ManBearPig
    CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
    • Total Posts : 6130
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2007/10/31 12:02:13
    • Location: Imaginationland
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 20
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/29 08:22:36 (permalink)
    I've never been able to buy regular gas  I've always had to buy premium gas for my cars (Acura Integra GS-R, TL, RDX).  It wasn't bad at all when I used to be able to get premium for only 20 cents more, but now the normal price is 40 cents more.  But I love my RDX way too much to give it up just because it requires premium.


     
    #28
    LJennings
    SSC Member
    • Total Posts : 535
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2002/01/23 17:23:41
    • Location: N. Ridgeville, OH
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 4
    Re: Price difference of premium over regular gasoline 2015/01/29 08:41:34 (permalink)
    bill1024
    I will look into it, but I have a feeling the price today of higher octane maybe higher because of what they have to add to the fuel to get the octane up.


    To answer the OP, this sums it up.
    They start out with the same gasoline. They put in additives to make the octane higher. The price of the additives must change at some point. They cannot be the same for 20 years..

    Heatware
    i7 860, EVGA P55 SLI, EVGA GTX 660 Ti SC+ 3GB, Win 10 Pro 64-Bit, Crucial 240GB SSD, WD 500gig Caviar Black, Corsair Vengence 2x4gigs
    #29
    Jump to:
  • Back to Mobile