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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
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I dont know. They first told us this was a driver issue. Now we are told this is a proper design. You have 3.5gb of vram with .5 of "overflow" that is slower. I feel nvidia lied to us about 4gb of vram.
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/26 16:30:56
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I dont know. They first told us this was a driver issue. Now we are told this is a proper design. You have 3.5gb of vram with .5 of "overflow" that is slower. I feel nvidia lied to us about 4gb of vram.
well Nvidia said it was a "Marketing Miscommunication"... 
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/26 17:51:02
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They should of just said the GPU has 3.5GB of vram from the start. Let the extra .05 be a bonus.
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/26 18:04:38
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They should of just said the GPU has 3.5GB of vram from the start. Let the extra .05 be a bonus.
Agreed
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/26 18:50:07
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I dont know. They first told us this was a driver issue. Now we are told this is a proper design. You have 3.5gb of vram with .5 of "overflow" that is slower. I feel nvidia lied to us about 4gb of vram.
well Nvidia said it was a "Marketing Miscommunication"...
 Thats a knee slapper right there.
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/27 07:31:24
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/27 08:45:02
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The 970s have 4GB of ram. Thats not a lie, correct? Just to be a technical a-hole, NV never said all 4GB of memory would run at the same speed, and that its just an assumption (although a logical one) that all the RAM would. No?
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/27 08:51:55
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What a Slimy Trick... This is exactly why sooooooo many folks believe in the "Corporate Greed" hype. This is what gives certain politicians the ammo they need to "badmouth the fat cats".
This is no accident. It was intentional and they have been busted, so now they are trying to clean up the mess.
I see a thread on these forums about a class action lawsuit for this. Hopefully it will go through. I have 2 x 980's and now I'm wondering what "slight of hand" tricks are going to come out in the future.
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/27 08:53:13
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/27 08:54:54
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The 970s have 4GB of ram. Thats not a lie, correct? Just to be a technical a-hole, NV never said all 4GB of memory would run at the same speed, and that its just an assumption (although a logical one) that all the RAM would. No?
So i guess if they Put 8GB ram on a gpu you purchased, but you found out only 6gb were addressable, you'd be fine with that? For that metter they could put 12Gb on a card but leave 4gb not even hooked up... Heck, they said 12, there is 12 on the pcb... What's the problem?
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/27 09:12:35
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its hooked up though, this should be similar to any card using a 192bit bus but 2gb of ram ect, part of it is slower, no one got mad the GTX 660 slows down at 1.5gb of ram useage.
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/27 09:42:49
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Its a bad mistake on nvidias part but guys Ultimately we find ourselves going a full circle back to something NVIDIA initially said about the matter, which is that the performance impact of the GTX 970’s configuration is already baked into the results we have. After all, the configuration is not a bug or other form of unexpected behavior, and NVIDIA has been fully abstracting and handling the memory segments since the GTX 970’s initial launch. So while today’s revelation gives us a better understanding of how GTX 970 operates and what the benefits and drawbacks are, that information alone doesn’t change how the card behaves. http://www.anandtech.com/show/8935/geforce-gtx-970-correcting-the-specs-exploring-memory-allocation/4Its not that large of an issue for geforce consumers
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/27 10:55:23
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So you buy a sports car with a v8, only to find when it's delivered to dealership it's a turbo v6.... But it produces the same horsepower, so what's the problem??
I understand what everyone is saying and the points in defense of NVIDIA, but if it comes to a class action suit, NVIDIA will lose. They have already admitted it was "misleading marketing". I'm surprised their attorney's let them say that.
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/27 11:28:16
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The 970s have 4GB of ram. Thats not a lie, correct? Just to be a technical a-hole, NV never said all 4GB of memory would run at the same speed, and that its just an assumption (although a logical one) that all the RAM would. No?
So i guess if they Put 8GB ram on a gpu you purchased, but you found out only 6gb were addressable, you'd be fine with that? For that metter they could put 12Gb on a card but leave 4gb not even hooked up... Heck, they said 12, there is 12 on the pcb... What's the problem?
I'm sorry, are we talking about memory that is completely inaccessible or memory that runs at a lower clock when nearly all of it is being "addressed"? Seems to be an apples to oranges comparison here since we're talking about lawsuits and what not. In any case, I never said I was "fine" with anything. I was merely stating some facts.
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/27 11:32:35
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I feel like zildjan is not understanding the issue, the metaphors he is making fall apart rather fast.
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/27 11:44:03
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Anyone know if this is also an issue on the 960 cards?
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/27 11:45:35
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Anyone know if this is also an issue on the 960 cards?
There are no issues with the 960, so far the 970 is the only Maxwell card to take advantage of partial rop/mc disabling. As far as I am aware, there is nothing disabled on the GM206 that the gtx 960 uses.
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/27 11:45:50
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Nvidia did lie about initial specs for the 970 though. They stated that it shipped with 64 ROPs and L2 Cache with 2MB when in reality it shipped with 56 ROPs and 1.75MB L2. Looks like false advertising to me.
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/27 12:02:06
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The 970s have 4GB of ram. Thats not a lie, correct? Just to be a technical a-hole, NV never said all 4GB of memory would run at the same speed, and that its just an assumption (although a logical one) that all the RAM would. No?
So i guess if they Put 8GB ram on a gpu you purchased, but you found out only 6gb were addressable, you'd be fine with that? For that metter they could put 12Gb on a card but leave 4gb not even hooked up... Heck, they said 12, there is 12 on the pcb... What's the problem?
I'm sorry, are we talking about memory that is completely inaccessible or memory that runs at a lower clock when nearly all of it is being "addressed"? Seems to be an apples to oranges comparison here since we're talking about lawsuits and what not.
In any case, I never said I was "fine" with anything. I was merely stating some facts.
No need to apologize, but I accept... Anyway, My point is whether it's addressable but running slower, Not addressable, or not on the card altogether, the result is still the same... they misled... Just like they admitted... What difference does it make to the degree of misleading? "They lied, but the memory is there but runs slower" "They lied, but the memory is there but not addressed at all" "They lied, but the memory is not there at all All lies, just to a different degree... It just depends on your tolerance for lies. One thing is for sure... They sure weren't honest. or is it... "Technically they didn't lie b/c in all 3 cases above, there is 4GB on the card, which is "as advertised"?
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/27 12:07:10
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I feel like zildjan is not understanding the issue, the metaphors he is making fall apart rather fast.
Always a possibility...
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/27 12:27:14
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The 970s have 4GB of ram. Thats not a lie, correct? Just to be a technical a-hole, NV never said all 4GB of memory would run at the same speed, and that its just an assumption (although a logical one) that all the RAM would. No?
Any particular reason why you need to rationalize it?
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/27 13:19:53
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The 970s have 4GB of ram. Thats not a lie, correct? Just to be a technical a-hole, NV never said all 4GB of memory would run at the same speed, and that its just an assumption (although a logical one) that all the RAM would. No?
Any particular reason why you need to rationalize it?
Mostly because at some point people over at NV rationalized it... of course theres also the fact that if you want to scream lawsuit, you need should have some sort of rational reasoning behind it. Simply stating it's false advertising to say the 970 has 4GB of VRAM (as some already have) isn't really rational IMO.
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/27 14:33:13
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Mmm, more ammo for me to use against NV fanboys. Feels good.
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
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Mmm, more ammo for me to use against NV fanboys. Feels good.
Careful where you throw those rocks in that glass house. Pretty sure team red isn't sin free here.
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
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Mmm, more ammo for me to use against NV fanboys. Feels good.
Careful where you throw those rocks in that glass house. Pretty sure team red isn't sin free here.
I'm not sure why Balto is here, other than to advertise that he is a furry. He hates Nvidia and here he is, on a NVidia-based companies forums. I really doubt he is here for EVGA motherboards either. The red team is definitely not free of sin, 290x was advertised as 30ish db, and was tested by anandtech and others as 55-60db rating. I'm sure there is more, but that is the most recent off the top of my head. Oh and the messing with the mantle benchmarks scores vs dx11. Both sides have black eyes.
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Re: NVIDIA Discloses Full Memory Structure and Limitations of GTX 970
2015/01/27 18:14:46
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Maybe they expected us to forgive them after the $350 price tag 
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