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Steam's monthly hardware survey,
that also says that 43.3% of users have 4 physical CPUs, 48.7% have 2 physical CPUs for windows based rigs.....hardly a reliable source.
I can't see the link right now, but wasn't there a comment that said that it meant to say 4 physical cores, not 4 physical CPU's?
I just clicked through a few pages, it may have and i missed it.
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Steam's monthly hardware survey,
that also says that 43.3% of users have 4 physical CPUs, 48.7% have 2 physical CPUs for windows based rigs.....hardly a reliable source.
I can't see the link right now, but wasn't there a comment that said that it meant to say 4 physical cores, not 4 physical CPU's?
I just clicked through a few pages, it may have and i missed it.
Still cant click on link, but there i doubt any board runs 4 cpus on 1 board lol. Be a exteme setup. Can rum 16 way sli lol
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The GTX 60's use to be a B4B(bang 4 buck) for awhile now. Personally, Id get the GTX 970, or even wait and see if we get a 950 Ti/Boost. Nvidia seems more so about cash vs tech thes days. The GTX 60's use to be a cash maker for Nvidia as well. Build it and they will come, seems to be a forget term in tech these days...
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Steam's monthly hardware survey,
that also says that 43.3% of users have 4 physical CPUs, 48.7% have 2 physical CPUs for windows based rigs.....hardly a reliable source. I don't know if you're trolling or just being a smartass on whether you didn't know they meant quad-core for 4 physical CPUs. Steam is way more reliable than using yourself as the datum of reference, given what was demonstrated as the extent of your logic.
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Steam's monthly hardware survey,
that also says that 43.3% of users have 4 physical CPUs, 48.7% have 2 physical CPUs for windows based rigs.....hardly a reliable source. I don't know if you're trolling or just being a smartass on whether you didn't know they meant quad-core for 4 physical CPUs. Steam is way more reliable than using yourself as the datum of reference, given what was demonstrated as the extent of your logic.
well i was being a smartass but also i give a steam survey little to no credibility as far as hardware goes...or anything else for that matter..... Still if you are going to upgrade there is no point in gimping your upgrade with a 2Gb card just because a bunch of people currently have that much.
post edited by -ZS-Carpenter - 2015/01/20 16:22:33
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Steam's monthly hardware survey,
that also says that 43.3% of users have 4 physical CPUs, 48.7% have 2 physical CPUs for windows based rigs.....hardly a reliable source. I don't know if you're trolling or just being a smartass on whether you didn't know they meant quad-core for 4 physical CPUs. Steam is way more reliable than using yourself as the datum of reference, given what was demonstrated as the extent of your logic.
well i was being a smartass but also i give a steam survey little to no credibility as far as hardware goes...or anything else for that matter.....
Still if you are going to upgrade there is no point in gimping your upgrade with a 2Gb card just because a bunch of people currently have that much.
Most builders only use 1080p, which 2gb and a GTX 960 will be plenty for. While 970's are for enthusiast builder on a budget. It is for those that run bleeding edge that use 1440p or 4k/crypto mine/F@H/Benchmark etc, will use the 980's and such. Once 1080p is started to phase out, then we will probably start seeing NVidia's X60's and AMD X70's will see 4gn.
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just read the reviews and real specs and I must say its overly disapointing, it can't even tie the GTX 770. Why would anyone pay 200 dollars for a lackluster card like this? Why 128bit memory, i just don't understand their logic on this one. Make the crappiest midrange part since the 8600GTS?
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just read the reviews and real specs and I must say its overly disappointing, it can't even tie the GTX 770. Here's some logic: GM204 succeeded GK104, therefore GM206 only succeeds GK106-- and GTX960 does that well beating GTX660 by 25-50% while using less power; just like GTX980 vs. GTX680. GTX760/GTX770 use GK104, they aren't candidates for direct competition to GTX960, and use more power.
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except they are man, has been that way for a long time.
Lets look at it this way starting 11 years ago ok?
6600GT bested FX5900Ultra
7600GT bested 6800GT
8600GTS was a failure because it didnt beat 7900GT remember?
9600GT was able to tie and sometimes beat 8800GTS 320/640
GTX260 bested 9800GT
GTX 460 bested GTX 275
GTX 560Ti bested GTX 470
GTX 660 Ti bested GTX 570
GTX 760 was never able to best GTX 670 and was likewise a terrible joke
Now the midrange should be able to beat the 2nd class highend card of the previous generation. I don't want to buy a card thats 30% better than last years midrange, I want to buy something thats 10% better than last years highend for 200 dollars. Stop settling for the same stale crap we keep getting from both Nvidia and AMD. Your midrange should topple your highend of last year, they forgot that rule and it angers me.
the GTX 960 is a worthless card and retains zero real value. I only wish reviewers where honest and not so happy to accept crap like this. The GM206 belongs more with say a GTX 950.
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Steam's monthly hardware survey,
that also says that 43.3% of users have 4 physical CPUs, 48.7% have 2 physical CPUs for windows based rigs.....hardly a reliable source. I don't know if you're trolling or just being a smartass on whether you didn't know they meant quad-core for 4 physical CPUs. Steam is way more reliable than using yourself as the datum of reference, given what was demonstrated as the extent of your logic.
well i was being a smartass but also i give a steam survey little to no credibility as far as hardware goes...or anything else for that matter.....
Still if you are going to upgrade there is no point in gimping your upgrade with a 2Gb card just because a bunch of people currently have that much.
Most builders only use 1080p, which 2gb and a GTX 960 will be plenty for. While 970's are for enthusiast builder on a budget. It is for those that run bleeding edge that use 1440p or 4k/crypto mine/F@H/Benchmark etc, will use the 980's and such. Once 1080p is started to phase out, then we will probably start seeing NVidia's X60's and AMD X70's will see 4gn.
I disagree with part of this. I could have afforded 980s but didn't see the point given the price/performance difference between SLI 970s and SLI 980s. I believe the 970s got you about 80-85% of the performance at half the cost. Can't argue with that math.
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8600GTS was a failure because it didnt beat 7900GT remember? I remember, especially the 8 month gap that ATI was late with R600, which allowed the G80 to have 128-CUDA and G86 to have as low as 32-CUDA. The massive gap was due to having zero competition until ATI decided to get products into that level-- RV670 did it a year later, filled the gap nicely with HD3850. nVidia responded with 9600GT, possibly should have been 8600GT since it had 64-CUDA, right smack in the middle of G80/G92. The only rule in running a business is dealing with threats to sales. candle_86
GTX 760 was never able to best GTX 670 and was likewise a terrible joke Both used GK104; there was no competition other than AMD dropping prices of HD7900 series. candle_86Your midrange should topple your high-end of last year, they forgot that rule and it angers me. With healthy competition, yes and it has through the points in history you brought up where midrange was able to meet/beat the high-end of the previous generation; nVidia didn't forget anything, it is just that ATI/AMD was participating back then. The areas where you note midrange were lackluster was when competition fell out and AMD wasn't playing along. It isn't about a schedule or rule. candle_86
I only wish reviewers were honest and not so happy to accept crap like this. They aren't objective; their sponsors, whichever brand gives them products to test treat the review as marketing; they will never talk bad about a product. But see, objectivity is a double-edged sword. Saying it like it is won't always be in our favor or something we want to hear. candle_86The GM206 belongs more with say a GTX 950. One one hand you're right, third tier GPUs were always mainstream before. 2nd tier GM204 should have been the real GTX960 and so on. But it is easy to say that when, quite frankly, AMD started all of this by not pushing their best out first and giving it a high-end name, i.e. Hawaii should have been HD7970, not Tahiti. I don't know if Hawaii wasn't working properly that early or didn't exist. Bu doing so made nVidia follow suit and maintained the screwed up nomenclature for three years. The only way this changes is if AMD clean-slate pushes their best GPU out first and brands it as such. I'd like to think the upcoming 28nm Fiji-XT is the highest model of the 300 series (with no plans for a 390X); that would end this cycle shifting.
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still i consider the 960 a terrible card and lacking in the bandwith needed to really use good settings at 1080p, id wager the reason in alot of reviews the card chokes with AA and AF pushed beyond 4x is because of bandwith, nothing more, it lacks the bandwith to be a useful product, this card is more suited for 720p gaming not 1080p gaming. And that also means its price should be about 120 not 200, its not worth 200 bucks.
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Candle... I like how you compared the 660ti to the 570 and not the 660 vs the 570... Why did you skip the 660 vs 570? What happens if they release a 960ti...
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no 960Ti released yet, the 660Ti is the true midrange, the 660 was lower midrange. To put it how i view it
660Ti = 6600GT in the stack
660 = 6600 in the stack
So this means 660Ti = GTX 570 which it did, GTX 660 should tie or beat GTX 560 Ti which it did rather well.
Proper scaling should be this
GTX 980
GTX 970 > GTX 780Ti
GTX 960 = GTX 770
GTX 950 = GTX 760
GT940 = GTX 750Ti
IDeally thats how it should look, but instead we get
GTX 980
GTX 970 =GTX 780Ti
GTX 960 = GTX 760
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While all of this is well and good, the 960 is a fine card for what it costs if you aren't looking at it from an enthusiast's "MUST MAX ALL THE SETTINGS" stand point.
Since most enthusiasts aren't buying 200 dollar cards, I'm guessing they aren't expecting to max everything either.
I'm happy with Maxwell thus far, especially the power savings.
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well i expect to max anygame from 2012 at 1080p with max AA and AF or older on 2015 midrange products thats reasonable.
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still i consider the 960 a terrible card and lacking in the bandwith needed to really use good settings at 1080p, id wager the reason in alot of reviews the card chokes with AA and AF pushed beyond 4x is because of bandwith, nothing more, it lacks the bandwith to be a useful product, this card is more suited for 720p gaming not 1080p gaming. And that also means its price should be about 120 not 200, its not worth 200 bucks.
Well more like 900p but yea. Seems like a mislabeled 950Ti.
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