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First Loop, So Many Bubbles!

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2015/01/23 11:28:15 (permalink)
I have finally decided to go the custom-ish loop route and opened up my Swiftech 240X to include my gpu. This is my first time ever with this sort of thing, so I have probably just done something stupid.
 
Firstly, I do not have it installed in the top, as generally intended, but in the front as an intake. This is still listed as a correct option by Swiftech's support. I followed the instructions given to me by swiftech, but I cannot seem to get a proper bleed. I cannot get the air bubbles out of the system. I have solid tubing, so the only places to see in are via the GPU waterblock and the reservoir itself. There are many tiny bubbles in the GPU waterblock, as well as a few larger ones, hopefully seen in this photo:
 

 
I have been shaking the computer, rocking it gently, moving it as far to each side as possible, and simply letting it run for a few hours. I cannot shake it too much, because the reservoir is rather small, so at too extreme of angles, the pump will start sucking air. When running the pump, the reservoir empties to approximately 3/4 or more full, but when off, it returns to full, so I am not able to add more water unless the pump is running.
 
Basically, what can I do? Is it safe to add water while the pump is running, to get the system to a fuller state? Is there something else I have done wrong, or anything I even did right?
 
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    Grey_Beard
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    Re: First Loop, So Many Bubbles! 2015/01/23 11:41:17 (permalink)
    When you shake your computer, do you stop the pump and open the loop up to allow the air to escape the loop?



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    Re: First Loop, So Many Bubbles! 2015/01/23 11:44:19 (permalink)
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    When you shake your computer, do you stop the pump and open the loop up to allow the air to escape the loop?



    I do not open the loop during the shaking, as I am pretty sure that would slosh some water out. I have shook it with both the pump on and off.

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    Re: First Loop, So Many Bubbles! 2015/01/23 11:47:58 (permalink)
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    Grey_Beard
    When you shake your computer, do you stop the pump and open the loop up to allow the air to escape the loop?



    I do not open the loop during the shaking, as I am pretty sure that would slosh some water out. I have shook it with both the pump on and off.


    Stop the pump by turning off the PSU. Then open up the radiator or something to vent the air out. Close it back up, turn on the PSU, shake the computer. Repeat until bubbles are gone. I have only made my loops in the past and have not used this type of loop. You need to bleed it, like you bleed brakes on your car to get the air out.



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    Re: First Loop, So Many Bubbles! 2015/01/23 12:13:01 (permalink)
    I understand I am trying to bleed the air out, the air simply isn't moving. Gravity seems to also be against me, as my pump and reservoir are basically the lowest components in the entire loop. I can't open the valve while the pump is off, as the coolant in the tubing will begin forcing itself out. I can open it while the pump is running, but it doesn't seem to bleed. Adding coolant does not help, as it simply stands on top.

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    Re: First Loop, So Many Bubbles! 2015/01/23 12:25:41 (permalink)
    Then the orientation of the loop may be the issue. The pump should be the lowest point, but the inlet and outlets may be switched, which cannot be seen in your pictures. The outlet to your block should be lower than the inlet to your radiator. If the radiator is on its side or is perpendicular to the ground, this matters. If it is parallel to ground, it does not matter. Look at that, as this may be the issue. Might want to stop everything and follow the loop to assure everything is in the right order.

    After looking at your picture again, the tube from your CPU may need to be switched with the tube to your GPU.
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    Re: First Loop, So Many Bubbles! 2015/01/23 12:41:18 (permalink)
    Use a separate power supply for your Pump and let it run to bleed out the air.
    I use this to bleed the air:
     110v AC to DC 12v Power Supply with 4pin Molex (5000mA)
     
    If you pump also powers your fans remove the fans to give the pump all the power.
    Set your pump the highest setting. While your pump is running open your fill valve to allow air out and to put in more coolant.
    The orientation of the pump should not be an issue, I have some high and some low even in the same rig.

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    Re: First Loop, So Many Bubbles! 2015/01/23 12:53:43 (permalink)
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    Use a separate power supply for your Pump and let it run to bleed out the air.
    I use this to bleed the air:
     110v AC to DC 12v Power Supply with 4pin Molex (5000mA)
     
    If you pump also powers your fans remove the fans to give the pump all the power.
    Set your pump the highest setting. While your pump is running open your fill valve to allow air out and to put in more coolant.
    The orientation of the pump should not be an issue, I have some high and some low even in the same rig.


    Thanks bcavnaugh, as you were much more descriptive than I was, as I am at work and on my phone.



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    Re: First Loop, So Many Bubbles! 2015/01/23 12:56:12 (permalink)
    The direction of flow starts from the lowest connection, then to the CPU, 2nd radiator, gpu, then back to the first radiator and back into the reservoir. In the sense of a circle, the back tubes are moving to the left, the front tubes are moving to the right.
     
    I did get it filled to a higher level, so now on or off the reservoir stays basically full. The tiny bubbles remain and do not budge. The big ones will move around on shaking.

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    Re: First Loop, So Many Bubbles! 2015/01/23 18:34:40 (permalink)
    I also tap the Tubing with the handle end of a screw driver.
    I hold the Tubing in one hand and hit the Tubing to help the bubbles along.
    Now if you cannot see your Coolant in the Tubing you will not know where the bubbles are.

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    Re: First Loop, So Many Bubbles! 2015/01/23 20:14:39 (permalink)
    bcavnaugh
    Use a separate power supply for your Pump and let it run to bleed out the air.
    I use this to bleed the air:
     110v AC to DC 12v Power Supply with 4pin Molex (5000mA)
     
    If you pump also powers your fans remove the fans to give the pump all the power.
    Set your pump the highest setting. While your pump is running open your fill valve to allow air out and to put in more coolant.
    The orientation of the pump should not be an issue, I have some high and some low even in the same rig.


    That is on my wishlist now.. I haven't seen one of those before. Nifty little tool!
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    Re: First Loop, So Many Bubbles! 2015/01/24 00:34:59 (permalink)
    i got one years ago included with this item, use more times than i can remember!!!
     
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    Re: First Loop, So Many Bubbles! 2015/01/24 05:08:27 (permalink)
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    i got one years ago included with this item, use more times than i can remember!!!
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812226001
     

    How would a "KINGWIN USI-2535 Hi-Speed USB 2.0 to SATA/IDE Drive Adapter" help remove bubbles from a water loop?
     
    Oh, I see now.


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    Re: First Loop, So Many Bubbles! 2015/01/24 07:57:00 (permalink)
    I just use an old 500W PSU and a jump start connector like this:

     
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    Re: First Loop, So Many Bubbles! 2015/01/24 07:59:20 (permalink)
    try a couple of drops of ammonia in your res and leave cover off.

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    Re: First Loop, So Many Bubbles! 2015/01/24 15:47:26 (permalink)
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    Use a separate power supply for your Pump and let it run to bleed out the air.
    I use this to bleed the air:
     110v AC to DC 12v Power Supply with 4pin Molex (5000mA)
     
    If you pump also powers your fans remove the fans to give the pump all the power.
    Set your pump the highest setting. While your pump is running open your fill valve to allow air out and to put in more coolant.
    The orientation of the pump should not be an issue, I have some high and some low even in the same rig.




    This save my life everytime I use it. I am so happy I got it when he told me too.  I have a 900D and I normally set it up in the middle of my living room. Plug in just this to my pump and then its off to the races and rolling my 900D all over the place.  I will flip it on all sides to get most of the air to my res..then add more water and more flipping.

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    Re: First Loop, So Many Bubbles! 2015/01/24 20:50:05 (permalink)
    Usually after it's been leak tested, between starting /stopping pump and a couple days run time it will clear up. I do recommend tapping on tubing, tilting, ect. Is the pump unusually noisy? Are you running distilled water?   
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    Re: First Loop, So Many Bubbles! 2015/01/27 13:58:27 (permalink)
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    Usually after it's been leak tested, between starting /stopping pump and a couple days run time it will clear up. I do recommend tapping on tubing, tilting, ect. Is the pump unusually noisy? Are you running distilled water?   




    It is starting to clear up from normal use, it seems. The pump doesn't gurgle or anything, but it is the loudest component in the computer now. I am running distilled water and a kill coil. On temperature, the GPU is running very cool, 10-15C lower than air, and the classy acx cooler was no slouch. The CPU, however, is running toasty. I don't think this is due to the loop itself, but rather mounting or even the fan configuration on the 280mm radiator. The CPU has always been a bit warm, probably one with bad tim inside.
     
    Thank you all for your suggestions and help and having patience with a beginner. I probably would have been better off with a real custom loop, but I couldn't beat the price I got on the 240x.

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    Re: First Loop, So Many Bubbles! 2015/01/27 21:55:53 (permalink)
    sajinor I know how you feel, I have been removing bubbles all day from the first loop.
    It has 2 GPU's, One 120x54mm and One 240x54mm Radiators.
    I think I will have to purge all day tomorrow as well.

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    Re: First Loop, So Many Bubbles! 2015/02/04 14:25:40 (permalink)
    tilt case from side to side that should help with bubbles.

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