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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/22 19:23:01
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This is only a theory:
Perhaps some group in one of our governments is launching an attack on North Korea's infrastructure in order to determine how it is all connected together. Studying the aftermath can reveal a lot about the system's structure. The only reason I theorize this is because many people think it would be nice if they could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt where the Sony hack came from and whether it was launched by private individuals ("freelance" hackers) or if it was state-sponsored (sanctioned by the government of North Korea). If breaking North Korea's infrastructure can help determine how it is all wired together and where the original Sony hack originated, it could mean the difference between "some hacker group launched an attack on Sony" versus "North Korea is using weapons of mass virtual destruction".
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/22 19:23:33
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I don't know who give North Korea rights to treat like that to free world as they are terrorist.
They completely lose minds. Who give them rights to treat with cyber attack or any attack at all.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/22 20:09:46
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This is only a theory:
Perhaps some group in one of our governments is launching an attack on North Korea's infrastructure in order to determine how it is all connected together. Studying the aftermath can reveal a lot about the system's structure. The only reason I theorize this is because many people think it would be nice if they could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt where the Sony hack came from and whether it was launched by private individuals ("freelance" hackers) or if it was state-sponsored (sanctioned by the government of North Korea). If breaking North Korea's infrastructure can help determine how it is all wired together and where the original Sony hack originated, it could mean the difference between "some hacker group launched an attack on Sony" versus "North Korea is using weapons of mass virtual destruction".
"Supposedly" North Korea admitted to requesting the Sony Hack and had been funding Chinese hackers to focus on Sony for almost as year. Anonymous is supposedly behind this attack, and they are also threatening Sony if they don't release "The Interview". All in all.. LOL at NK.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/22 20:27:04
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This is only a theory:
Perhaps some group in one of our governments is launching an attack on North Korea's infrastructure in order to determine how it is all connected together. Studying the aftermath can reveal a lot about the system's structure. The only reason I theorize this is because many people think it would be nice if they could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt where the Sony hack came from and whether it was launched by private individuals ("freelance" hackers) or if it was state-sponsored (sanctioned by the government of North Korea). If breaking North Korea's infrastructure can help determine how it is all wired together and where the original Sony hack originated, it could mean the difference between "some hacker group launched an attack on Sony" versus "North Korea is using weapons of mass virtual destruction".
"Supposedly" North Korea admitted to requesting the Sony Hack and had been funding Chinese hackers to focus on Sony for almost as year. Anonymous is supposedly behind this attack, and they are also threatening Sony if they don't release "The Interview". All in all.. LOL at NK.
But "supposedly" isn't firm evidence. There are some people who want to elevate the attack to the status of "act of war". At that point, claims go out the window and hard proof is necessary. Like I said, it was only a theory. But I do know for a fact that there are some groups who are looking for hard evidence.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/22 22:18:25
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If anyone goes to war over bullying and hacking, it wouldn't surprise me.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/23 03:31:51
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This is funny even if Annonomous is doing it and not the US Government. I also think a response of some sort was necessary. We have let too many of these attacks or hacks to go on that this was necessary from someone. It is interesting that there have been so many attacks on various companies and governments for this long without some kind of response. I say plant a virus in their network to permenantly disable it. The overall majority of the citizens have no access to the Internet, so this would mainly impact the military, their leaders, a select number of businesses, and some of the more wealthy North Koreans, probably less people than would attend a showing of The Interveiw in one 24 hour period.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/23 09:36:54
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It's perfect. Treat N. Korea like a bad child and unplug their intranets for a while so they learn who pays the bills.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/23 11:03:48
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Internet was down and now the movie will be shown after all? Total meltdown in NK right now. Wonder what the response will be this time... Bluff has been called. Lets see the follow up...
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/23 11:39:45
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/23 16:23:17
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This is only a theory:
Perhaps some group in one of our governments is launching an attack on North Korea's infrastructure in order to determine how it is all connected together. Studying the aftermath can reveal a lot about the system's structure. The only reason I theorize this is because many people think it would be nice if they could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt where the Sony hack came from and whether it was launched by private individuals ("freelance" hackers) or if it was state-sponsored (sanctioned by the government of North Korea). If breaking North Korea's infrastructure can help determine how it is all wired together and where the original Sony hack originated, it could mean the difference between "some hacker group launched an attack on Sony" versus "North Korea is using weapons of mass virtual destruction".
"Supposedly" North Korea admitted to requesting the Sony Hack and had been funding Chinese hackers to focus on Sony for almost as year. Anonymous is supposedly behind this attack, and they are also threatening Sony if they don't release "The Interview". All in all.. LOL at NK.
Anonymous doesn't do major things without a warning first. If they haven't released a video about the attack, they probably aren't behind it.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/23 16:42:08
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It's perfect. Treat N. Korea like a bad child and unplug their intranets for a while so they learn who pays the bills.
Taking North Korea's internet infrastructure down doesn't really hurt North Korea in any measurable way. The vast majority of North Korea's citizens don't use or don't have access to the internet. It doesn't really affect North Korea's government either because its government doesn't really rely on the internet for anything vital. North Korea pretty much uses the internet for either eventually reading and possibly replying to someone's email or for publishing propaganda for the rest of the world to see.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/23 18:33:33
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My guess is that North Korea is a scapegoat for who is really doing it. You guys think North Korea has the technological background to hack Sony like they did? The North Korea internet probably consists of a goat powered ipad. Someone is seriously playing both sides for total fools right now. Taking bets some 14 year old from the US did it via a VPN located in North Korea.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/23 19:14:49
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My guess is that North Korea is a scapegoat for who is really doing it. You guys think North Korea has the technological background to hack Sony like they did? The North Korea internet probably consists of a goat powered ipad. Someone is seriously playing both sides for total fools right now. Taking bets some 14 year old from the US did it via a VPN located in North Korea.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/23 19:38:11
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My guess is that North Korea is a scapegoat for who is really doing it. You guys think North Korea has the technological background to hack Sony like they did? The North Korea internet probably consists of a goat powered ipad. Someone is seriously playing both sides for total fools right now. Taking bets some 14 year old from the US did it via a VPN located in North Korea.
unit 121, DPRK cyberwarfare group. All I'm going to say.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/24 10:57:03
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My guess is that North Korea is a scapegoat for who is really doing it. You guys think North Korea has the technological background to hack Sony like they did? The North Korea internet probably consists of a goat powered ipad. Someone is seriously playing both sides for total fools right now. Taking bets some 14 year old from the US did it via a VPN located in North Korea.
Even poor countries have enough money to pay freelance hackers to do something like this. Furthermore, while its true the vast majority of N. Koreans dont have internet, you can rest assured they have fat pipes from China for select members of society/government and key infrastructures (military, business, etc). In any case, its fairly well documented that the DPRK has invested quite a bit into cyber warfare. While I agree N. Korea could be used as a "cover" like you suggest, your reasoning is somewhat flawed IMO.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/24 14:13:31
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My guess is that North Korea is a scapegoat for who is really doing it. You guys think North Korea has the technological background to hack Sony like they did? The North Korea internet probably consists of a goat powered ipad. Someone is seriously playing both sides for total fools right now. Taking bets some 14 year old from the US did it via a VPN located in North Korea.
Even poor countries have enough money to pay freelance hackers to do something like this. Furthermore, while its true the vast majority of N. Koreans dont have internet, you can rest assured they have fat pipes from China for select members of society/government and key infrastructures (military, business, etc). In any case, its fairly well documented that the DPRK has invested quite a bit into cyber warfare. While I agree N. Korea could be used as a "cover" like you suggest, your reasoning is somewhat flawed IMO.
I look at is as a premise of low hanging fruit. It's in our best interests to villainize North Korea, so they make a very easy target to hang this on. I'm much more apt to believe this would be done by TPB or anti-MAFIAA types and hung on North Korea as misdirection. Anyone can VPN through China -- which was probably how it was done.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/24 16:15:24
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The small elite group of people who do have the internet have something called the intra-net. Its a fake internet with fake websites.
NPR did a good piece on it a few months back.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/25 01:38:39
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I have to agree, North Korea definitely seems like a scapegoat.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/25 01:56:14
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All I know, is this movie is fairly amusing 20 minutes in so far. It made it out on Torrent pretty quick.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/25 03:27:41
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It is my understanding that North Korea is behind this cyberattack whether they did it directly or indirectly so the President of the United States can use whatever resources he needs to counter-attack.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/25 06:20:29
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It is my understanding that North Korea is behind this cyberattack whether they did it directly or indirectly so the President of the United States can use whatever resources he needs to counter-attack.
It all seems rather reactionary to me. I don't really believe it until I have more information than hearsay from the FBI and President. So far they've given no tangible evidence who did it. They could just as soon say Santa Claus did it with all the evidence they've given so far.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/28 10:16:06
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Let's be honest. This is turned into a HUGE marketing campaign for the movie. It makes me sick. At some point it almost makes me wonder if this was marketing all along which became scary effective. You have no idea how turned off I am at the thought of even watching that movie at this point. I am so annoyed at seeing it at the top of YouTube every time I go there. No matter how many times I click "Not Interested" and YouTube responds "Section removed. This will improve your recommendations.", the next time I go to YouTube, there it is again. Here are a few interesting links: North Korea was NOT behind the Sony hack according to multiple security experts who discredit FBI findings and reveal that a studio insider named 'Lena' may be responsible:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2887081/North-Korea-NOT-Sony-hack-according-multiple-security-experts-discredit-FBI-findings-reveal-insider-named-Lena-responsible.htmlLive DDoS attack map:http://map.ipviking.com/Lizard Squad's Current Cowardly Campaign which is Affecting the Majority of the Gaming World:http://www.winbeta.org/news/exclusive-interview-cyber-terrorist-group-lizard-squad-why-they-brought-down-xbox-live-and-psn It makes me so sick to even think that people consider the Lizard Squad "hackers". They aren't hackers. They are cowardly script kiddies clicking a button on some program they didn't even make in order to launch a bunch of amplified denial of service attacks against certain hosts. And then they pretend that they are doing it for a cause; "to make big companies take security more seriously". Whatever. Lizard Squad: Grow up! Quit being a troll and ruining the internet for everyone by exploiting a long-standing simple networking vulnerability. You aren't hackers. You aren't exposing any security issues. You are simply being disruptive little children. No one needs to worry about these pathetic DDoS vulnerabilities if it weren't for people like you! If you were really the knowledgeable computer programmers and knowledgeable hackers you want people to believe that you are, you would use your knowledge to help find and fix these vulnerabilities instead of being disruptive little children sitting on top of an ant hill with a magnifying glass on a sunny day. You could be rich at this point by being paid by big corporations for turning your discovery in for a bug bounty instead of living in your parents basements.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/28 20:37:19
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don't care if they did it or not, they are guilty of more than enough to justify a full military response, and I mean a full blown invasion of North Korea. We could have air superiority in an hour, there ports taken in a day, we can then bomb their roads, bridges, and communication lines to China, and then offer each North Korea Citizen a reward of sizable sum for the head of Kim, the people just need to know they can turn on him and will have the protection of the west. Let us remove his head, and those of his staff, and hand control of North Korea over to the rightful owners, South Korea.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/28 21:49:12
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don't care if they did it or not, they are guilty of more than enough to justify a full military response, and I mean a full blown invasion of North Korea. We could have air superiority in an hour, there ports taken in a day, we can then bomb their roads, bridges, and communication lines to China, and then offer each North Korea Citizen a reward of sizable sum for the head of Kim, the people just need to know they can turn on him and will have the protection of the west. Let us remove his head, and those of his staff, and hand control of North Korea over to the rightful owners, South Korea.
I don't think so. We are not the World Police and I hope for once that people will realize that it is not our job to decide what is best for everyone else. That and there is no big money to be made in such a war and therefore it probably won't happen. If we attacked North Korea, it would be like picking on an autistic boy in a wheelchair.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
2014/12/28 23:44:44
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don't care if they did it or not, they are guilty of more than enough to justify a full military response, and I mean a full blown invasion of North Korea. We could have air superiority in an hour, there ports taken in a day, we can then bomb their roads, bridges, and communication lines to China, and then offer each North Korea Citizen a reward of sizable sum for the head of Kim, the people just need to know they can turn on him and will have the protection of the west. Let us remove his head, and those of his staff, and hand control of North Korea over to the rightful owners, South Korea.
I don't think so. We are not the World Police and I hope for once that people will realize that it is not our job to decide what is best for everyone else. That and there is no big money to be made in such a war and therefore it probably won't happen. If we attacked North Korea, it would be like picking on an autistic boy in a wheelchair.
Also, remember China's close relations with North Korea. That is, in addition to many of the things you mentioned, a huge part of the reason why they haven't faced much military response in the past from ANY nation, not just the US.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
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don't care if they did it or not, they are guilty of more than enough to justify a full military response, and I mean a full blown invasion of North Korea. We could have air superiority in an hour, there ports taken in a day, we can then bomb their roads, bridges, and communication lines to China, and then offer each North Korea Citizen a reward of sizable sum for the head of Kim, the people just need to know they can turn on him and will have the protection of the west. Let us remove his head, and those of his staff, and hand control of North Korea over to the rightful owners, South Korea.
I don't think so. We are not the World Police and I hope for once that people will realize that it is not our job to decide what is best for everyone else. That and there is no big money to be made in such a war and therefore it probably won't happen. If we attacked North Korea, it would be like picking on an autistic boy in a wheelchair.
Also, remember China's close relations with North Korea. That is, in addition to many of the things you mentioned, a huge part of the reason why they haven't faced much military response in the past from ANY nation, not just the US.
Their ability to rely on big brother china is dwindling. China has enough problems keeping its own citizens under control, and i don't mean just Hong Kong, but in their western regions too. China also loses business deals due to N. Korea. Soon either China will leave them for economical reasons, or because it needs to focus on controlling its citizens. Russia has had enough of them as well, every time N. Korea makes a threat, they also threaten to blow up the natural gas line that runs from Russia to S. Korea/Japan. This would be a sizable amount of money lost to russia if that is gone.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
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China wouldn't jeopardize their trade with the US to save North Korea though, if they defend North Korea we'd place embargo's on them, and cancel all outstanding debt owed, and they know it. And it wouldn't just be the US, it would be NATO and our pacific allies would stop trading with them as well the second China declared war on the US to defend North Korea. No China would stay out of it its in their best interests economically. And your right we aren't the world police, but the Korean War never ended, we like South Korea have been at war with the North since 1950, this is just a very long cease fire, its not like we are declaring war on them today, we did that 64 years go.
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Re: North Korea's Internet Suddenly Going Haywire
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China wouldn't jeopardize their trade with the US to save North Korea though, if they defend North Korea we'd place embargo's on them, and cancel all outstanding debt owed, and they know it. And it wouldn't just be the US, it would be NATO and our pacific allies would stop trading with them as well the second China declared war on the US to defend North Korea. No China would stay out of it its in their best interests economically. And your right we aren't the world police, but the Korean War never ended, we like South Korea have been at war with the North since 1950, this is just a very long cease fire, its not like we are declaring war on them today, we did that 64 years go.
I think you're misplacing the advantage the US has over China. We would be hurt just as badly as China would be if ties were cut over North Korea. Imagine if the prices of everyday products we used tripled overnight to maintain margins while the world searched again for cheap labor. Relinquishing debts would neither be good for our global credit nor our own economy. I agree with you to an extent, but why do you think the world continues to put up with North Korea? Why does the world continue to allow them to violate basic human rights every day continually? It's not like anybody is afraid of them; we could easily overpower them (they don't even have working internet, the point of the OP). They have the world by the balls with political and geographical ties.
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