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How to increase PCI-E Lane voltage on X99 Classified

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2014/12/27 22:56:12 (permalink)
Ok, so I am trying to get some speed out of my GTX 580 classifieds... Stock speed is 855Mhz. It seems if I even push them a little bit, like 880Mhz games do not like it. Running at 920Mhz won't even run in windows, well it will but it won't be long until something goes to hell. I have used the ELEET utility, and increased the NV VDD, FB VDD and PEX VDD. Just to see if I could get any stability at all at 920Mhz, I raised all three of those fairly high, and had the same result when using the EVGA OC Scanner, that is basically crashing hard and having to power off the system. I would think these cards could do at least 1Ghz. Granted they might run a bit warm, but it should be doable? Then again maybe not. I am just going back the days when I had an EVGA 790I MOBO, and it was required to increase the voltage on the PCI-E lanes for stability. Perhaps this board is different?
 
Anyways, not a huge deal I guess. Cards work fine at stock speeds. Maybe this wasn't a good series of card? I have followed guides to OC graphics cards, and slowly stepped up GPU and memory back and fourth to get a max, but these cards seem stubborn. Maybe I am missing something? Maybe I should just buy some 980's and be done :). Just looking for anyone's 2 cents on this...

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EVGA X99 Classified Mobo
Intel I7 5960x @ 4.3Ghz
Corsair H100i CPU Cooler
8x4GB (32GB) G.Skill Ripjaws 4  @
2400Mhz 15-15-15-35 @ 1.20V
2x EVGA 580 Classifieds 3GB SLI  @ 900Mhz
Intel 750 series 1.2TB AIC SSD (Main Drive)
Intel 730 Series 480GB SSD (Storage Drive)  
Corsair AX1200 PSU
Corsair Obsidian Series 650D Case 
Corsair K70 RGB Keyboard
EVGA TORQ X10 Mouse

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    Boxlid
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    Re: How to increase PCI-E Lane voltage on X99 Classified 2014/12/27 23:21:10 (permalink)
    You need to raise the gpu voltage, not pcie voltage.  You will want a upgrade, but wait till the next batch of cards come out, 980's have already been out for a while and new stuff is expected very soon.  You know something is going on when every 980 card is out of stock on the EVGA website
     
    Edit:  Almost forgot, if you start clocking your cards, plug that extra pcie 6pin into the motherboard in the bottom left corner below all the cards.  Best not to let our boards have a meltdown trying to supply the extra power through the 24pin.  The instructions leave that small detail out...
    post edited by Boxlid - 2014/12/27 23:27:28


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    Re: How to increase PCI-E Lane voltage on X99 Classified 2014/12/27 23:36:53 (permalink)
    Yeah, I will probably end up waiting for the next gen cards. Did you notice the titan Z dropped by 50% in price? Was 3k now its only 1.5k? Like you say, this is very odd, along with every single card out of stock on the EVGA site. Since I have had those 580's I have never gotten a good OC out of them. I even have RMA'd them over the years, still no luck with OC. So it wasn't just the particular cards I had. Maybe they just really require some crazy juice. Supposedly they were designed to handle a Kilowatt plus when being pushed to their limits. Kingpin made them sing, but lets be real, the clock speeds he achieved might last a day and those cards he used would have more value as a paper weight then a symphony of polygons when hes done with them... ha ha.

    Specs:
    EVGA X99 Classified Mobo
    Intel I7 5960x @ 4.3Ghz
    Corsair H100i CPU Cooler
    8x4GB (32GB) G.Skill Ripjaws 4  @
    2400Mhz 15-15-15-35 @ 1.20V
    2x EVGA 580 Classifieds 3GB SLI  @ 900Mhz
    Intel 750 series 1.2TB AIC SSD (Main Drive)
    Intel 730 Series 480GB SSD (Storage Drive)  
    Corsair AX1200 PSU
    Corsair Obsidian Series 650D Case 
    Corsair K70 RGB Keyboard
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    Re: How to increase PCI-E Lane voltage on X99 Classified 2014/12/27 23:47:00 (permalink)
    No way unless you're running really good chips and have really good water cooling at the least or better yet, LN2.  These fermi's came from a very dark place.  They run very hot and suck lots of power.  

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    Re: How to increase PCI-E Lane voltage on X99 Classified 2014/12/28 00:06:24 (permalink)
    The good news is that even 700 series was a huge jump, so you'll be very impressed with what you get most likely.  I wouldn't bother pushing that card much, they were called Fermi because they were the first to make your board achieve critical mass on the 24pin power connector, causing it to melt   Well not really, but that was the starting of the extra pcie power connector on x58 for that reason 


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    Re: How to increase PCI-E Lane voltage on X99 Classified 2014/12/28 09:36:14 (permalink)
    Boxlid
    The good news is that even 700 series was a huge jump, so you'll be very impressed with what you get most likely.  I wouldn't bother pushing that card much, they were called Fermi because they were the first to make your board achieve critical mass on the 24pin power connector, causing it to melt   Well not really, but that was the starting of the extra pcie power connector on x58 for that reason 


    Well that certainly makes sense. I have a Kilowatt meter on my tower, and if I remove both those 580's and run some  simple graphics card, power is significantly reduced. They are definitely power hungry. I will probably just sell these off, and put whatever I get towards a new graphics card. If those Titan Z's truly dropped down to $1,500.00 I might just get one of those. My plan is to upgrade to 4K monitors along with a graphics card upgrade over the next year.

    Specs:
    EVGA X99 Classified Mobo
    Intel I7 5960x @ 4.3Ghz
    Corsair H100i CPU Cooler
    8x4GB (32GB) G.Skill Ripjaws 4  @
    2400Mhz 15-15-15-35 @ 1.20V
    2x EVGA 580 Classifieds 3GB SLI  @ 900Mhz
    Intel 750 series 1.2TB AIC SSD (Main Drive)
    Intel 730 Series 480GB SSD (Storage Drive)  
    Corsair AX1200 PSU
    Corsair Obsidian Series 650D Case 
    Corsair K70 RGB Keyboard
    EVGA TORQ X10 Mouse

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    Re: How to increase PCI-E Lane voltage on X99 Classified 2014/12/28 11:30:42 (permalink)
    If you decide to get a 60" TV for 4k (I say this because another user bought the TZ and a 4k TV) be aware that 4k 60hz only goes through display port, so you are going to be limited to a monitor. HDMI 1.2 does not support 4k 60hz.
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    Re: How to increase PCI-E Lane voltage on X99 Classified 2014/12/28 14:05:40 (permalink)
    Hmmm, sounds like a design flaw on the card. Is this maybe why the price dropped all of the sudden? Maybe I will wait for next gen cards to come out. That would be pointless for me to spend that much on a card only, to be limited.

    Specs:
    EVGA X99 Classified Mobo
    Intel I7 5960x @ 4.3Ghz
    Corsair H100i CPU Cooler
    8x4GB (32GB) G.Skill Ripjaws 4  @
    2400Mhz 15-15-15-35 @ 1.20V
    2x EVGA 580 Classifieds 3GB SLI  @ 900Mhz
    Intel 750 series 1.2TB AIC SSD (Main Drive)
    Intel 730 Series 480GB SSD (Storage Drive)  
    Corsair AX1200 PSU
    Corsair Obsidian Series 650D Case 
    Corsair K70 RGB Keyboard
    EVGA TORQ X10 Mouse

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    Re: How to increase PCI-E Lane voltage on X99 Classified 2014/12/28 14:44:47 (permalink)
    Nothing to do with that. It wasn't a design flaw, it is meant for rendering and work, not gaming, so why would it need to do gaming things when it was never meant for it?

    If you want gaming, get the 295x2 that stomps the titan Z silly in every benchmark and game. If you want to do work and render, get the titan Z that stomps the 295x2 in every possible way. They make cards to do specific things, but just because we repurpose them, they become what we want.
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    Re: How to increase PCI-E Lane voltage on X99 Classified 2014/12/28 16:15:24 (permalink)
    Yup, the Titan series was a Hybrid GPU for renderers who liked to game and didn't want to spend $2k-$3k+ on a Tesla/Quadro and couldn't game.  A lot of folks got confused and thought that is the "Top Of The Line" gaming GPU when it kinda is but isn't. lol  For a straight gamer, the top of the line for Keplers for example was the GTX 780 Ti, hands down and cheaper than a GTX Titan.  There is an exception to those that needed more than 3GBs of Vram for higher resolutions.  Other than that, people misunderstood and over spent but it is their money as they can do whatever they like to.  
     
    I would probably wait and see, if you could wait towards the end of 2015 and see what they come out with.  My guess is they will do the same thing they've been doing with the 700 series.  Come out with the 256-bit (GTX 980) now and bring out a beefier 384-bit down the road with more cores and possibly more Vram etc.

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    Re: How to increase PCI-E Lane voltage on X99 Classified 2015/01/02 14:46:15 (permalink)
    Now that you guys point that out, I do remember reading something about that. I knew it wasn't specifically a gaming card. I do like to convert BD to MKV files which I am assuming the Titan Z would work great for. But I will most likely wait. The 580's are still working. BF4 is like the only game I can't run maxed at 1080P. So Not a big deal at this point. Thanks for the specific details.

    Specs:
    EVGA X99 Classified Mobo
    Intel I7 5960x @ 4.3Ghz
    Corsair H100i CPU Cooler
    8x4GB (32GB) G.Skill Ripjaws 4  @
    2400Mhz 15-15-15-35 @ 1.20V
    2x EVGA 580 Classifieds 3GB SLI  @ 900Mhz
    Intel 750 series 1.2TB AIC SSD (Main Drive)
    Intel 730 Series 480GB SSD (Storage Drive)  
    Corsair AX1200 PSU
    Corsair Obsidian Series 650D Case 
    Corsair K70 RGB Keyboard
    EVGA TORQ X10 Mouse

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    Re: How to increase PCI-E Lane voltage on X99 Classified 2015/01/08 09:43:03 (permalink)
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    Supposedly they were designed to handle a Kilowatt plus when being pushed to their limits. Kingpin made them sing, but lets be real, the clock speeds he achieved might last a day and those cards he used would have more value as a paper weight then a symphony of polygons when hes done with them... ha ha.




    Just for some clarity, he got up there close with the Classified/ Classified Ultra which were custom PCB's with a truck load more voltage regulation circuitry.  I got my 580's up to like 950, at around 975 no matter how much voltage I dumped into them with some third party apps, I couldn't get it to stop artifacting, and this was in a cold room with a really hefty water loop keeping the cards at no higher than 44c under HEAVY load.  The card that was confirmed to pull over 1kw was the 780 KPE card.
     
    From my own experience, all Fermi's were crazy power hungry, but also while the 580 was a lot more stable FPS wise in games, it tended to be a LOT more picky, my 480 never cared what I did to it, it just worked, my 580's were faster and really smoothed out the low points of FPS drops compared to the 480, but my 580s (2 way SLI, had a total of 4 over the years) were never as stable or resilient as my 480, and my 680's were  a HUGE step forward there too. 
    Unless you clock just to see what you can get out of it, I would suggest upgrading at some pint, I think you will be REALLY surprised at the difference in performance.  When I did, I had an X58 FTW3, [link=mailto:930@4.2]930@4.2[/link] and [link=mailto:12gb@1600]12gb@1600[/link] 8-8-8-20 and went from 2 1589 (580 1.5gb Hydro Coppers) to 2 2686 (680, stock clock reference) and just testing out the cards, with only one in, before i put them on water, Crysis2 with DX11  addon and high res texture pack, went from 50 FPS in mild action and 20 in heavy when the RAM bottomed out, to 85 FPS in light action and 55 in heavy.
     
    Unless you have a soft spot for those cards ( like I do for my old 8800 Ultra Hydro) I think the best way to get what you are wanting from the card would be a more modern architecture.
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    Re: How to increase PCI-E Lane voltage on X99 Classified 2015/01/09 05:51:42 (permalink)
    Thanks for that information. I feel a lot better. I was really under the impression those 580's were suppose to be able to reach much higher clock speeds. Like you mentioned 950 - 975Mhz is the very most I was able to achieve. I was also pushing for that 1Ghz, just never could seem to hit it. I do plan to upgrade once funding permits. Furthermore its even harder to justify graphics cards upgrades because 95% of the things I use, my two 580Gtx cards perform just fine at stock speeds. Maybe this summer I might jump to the rumored 980 TI classifieds... :)

    Specs:
    EVGA X99 Classified Mobo
    Intel I7 5960x @ 4.3Ghz
    Corsair H100i CPU Cooler
    8x4GB (32GB) G.Skill Ripjaws 4  @
    2400Mhz 15-15-15-35 @ 1.20V
    2x EVGA 580 Classifieds 3GB SLI  @ 900Mhz
    Intel 750 series 1.2TB AIC SSD (Main Drive)
    Intel 730 Series 480GB SSD (Storage Drive)  
    Corsair AX1200 PSU
    Corsair Obsidian Series 650D Case 
    Corsair K70 RGB Keyboard
    EVGA TORQ X10 Mouse

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