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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/26 21:03:03
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Not sure if vanquished light is trolling or not. Evga gpu are bad and their mobo/psu are good? Evga is the one witha trouble past with their mobo's and until they used superflower a trouble past with their psu (nex series). Their GPUs on the other hand are heavilly awarded in the past.
no, i'm not trolling. and there GPU's are very good. the slight fuzzy picture quality on not just EVGA gpu's but nearly all makers isn't for me. that's all i'm saying there. and it's not the monitor. i've been running the same monitor for years. and no matter what gpu i hooked up it's always been a little fuzzy compaired to Sapphire. my old BFG gtx 260 was just as clear as my Sapphire hd 4850. but BFG don't make cards no more. but yeah, like i said. it's not the monitor. i've gone through approx 30 GPU's in the past 3 years looking for another brand i might be happy with for picture clearity and crispness. and never once changed my monitor or even cords. but needless to say i recommend, EVGA, MSI, and ASUS nvidia GPU's all the time to friends looking for good GPU's that mainly just care about performance, and overclocking with a good picture quality. would recommend Gigabyte too if it wasn't for there terrible costumer service. and for AMD gpu's i always recommend sapphire. over the past 10 years i've owned maybe 9-10 Sapphire cards and never had a problem and always had the best crispy graphics i like. as well as they have some of the best performing AMD gpu's out there. and i wouldn't know on sapphires costumer service since i've never had to contact them for anything. Fennicillin
At least he mwde mention of his bias before saying something as nonsensical as better picture quality through sapphire. That's your monitor's job.
it's not the monitor as i stated above. monitor does make a difference i do agree with that. but the GPU must aslo. and i know why you say that it's all on the monitor, because most all other makers have nearly the same picture quality. and i'm not sure what Sapphire or BFG does different or did in BFG's case :0(. but if your ever able to get your hands on a Sapphire and another brand of the same GPU. hook them both up into your pc and hook up a monitor to each card non-CF'ed. then pick the one with crisper output then switch the monitors to the opposite gpu. and i will guarantee the monitor well hooked up to a Sapphire will always look clearer and crisper even after switching. so idk what sapphire does different from most all others. maybe they use different connectors or something, idk. all i know is they have a crisper output.get some old cheap cards and test it yourself. you'll see what i mean :0)
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/26 21:31:49
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Not sure if vanquished light is trolling or not. Evga gpu are bad and their mobo/psu are good? Evga is the one witha trouble past with their mobo's and until they used superflower a trouble past with their psu (nex series). Their GPUs on the other hand are heavilly awarded in the past.
no, i'm not trolling. and there GPU's are very good. the slight fuzzy picture quality on not just EVGA gpu's but nearly all makers isn't for me. that's all i'm saying there. and it's not the monitor. i've been running the same monitor for years. and no matter what gpu i hooked up it's always been a little fuzzy compaired to Sapphire. my old BFG gtx 260 was just as clear as my Sapphire hd 4850. but BFG don't make cards no more. but yeah, like i said. it's not the monitor. i've gone through approx 30 GPU's in the past 3 years looking for another brand i might be happy with for picture clearity and crispness. and never once changed my monitor or even cords.
but needless to say i recommend, EVGA, MSI, and ASUS nvidia GPU's all the time to friends looking for good GPU's that mainly just care about performance, and overclocking with a good picture quality. would recommend Gigabyte too if it wasn't for there terrible costumer service. and for AMD gpu's i always recommend sapphire. over the past 10 years i've owned maybe 9-10 Sapphire cards and never had a problem and always had the best crispy graphics i like. as well as they have some of the best performing AMD gpu's out there. and i wouldn't know on sapphires costumer service since i've never had to contact them for anything.
LOL. That is all I am going to say here.
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/26 21:32:29
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Not sure if vanquished light is trolling or not. Evga gpu are bad and their mobo/psu are good? Evga is the one witha trouble past with their mobo's and until they used superflower a trouble past with their psu (nex series). Their GPUs on the other hand are heavilly awarded in the past.
no, i'm not trolling. and there GPU's are very good. the slight fuzzy picture quality on not just EVGA gpu's but nearly all makers isn't for me. that's all i'm saying there. and it's not the monitor. i've been running the same monitor for years. and no matter what gpu i hooked up it's always been a little fuzzy compaired to Sapphire. my old BFG gtx 260 was just as clear as my Sapphire hd 4850. but BFG don't make cards no more. but yeah, like i said. it's not the monitor. i've gone through approx 30 GPU's in the past 3 years looking for another brand i might be happy with for picture clearity and crispness. and never once changed my monitor or even cords.
but needless to say i recommend, EVGA, MSI, and ASUS nvidia GPU's all the time to friends looking for good GPU's that mainly just care about performance, and overclocking with a good picture quality. would recommend Gigabyte too if it wasn't for there terrible costumer service. and for AMD gpu's i always recommend sapphire. over the past 10 years i've owned maybe 9-10 Sapphire cards and never had a problem and always had the best crispy graphics i like. as well as they have some of the best performing AMD gpu's out there. and i wouldn't know on sapphires costumer service since i've never had to contact them for anything.
LOL. That is all I am going to say here.
agreed
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/26 22:19:26
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Not sure if vanquished light is trolling or not. Evga gpu are bad and their mobo/psu are good? Evga is the one witha trouble past with their mobo's and until they used superflower a trouble past with their psu (nex series). Their GPUs on the other hand are heavilly awarded in the past.
no, i'm not trolling. and there GPU's are very good. the slight fuzzy picture quality on not just EVGA gpu's but nearly all makers isn't for me. that's all i'm saying there. and it's not the monitor. i've been running the same monitor for years. and no matter what gpu i hooked up it's always been a little fuzzy compaired to Sapphire. my old BFG gtx 260 was just as clear as my Sapphire hd 4850. but BFG don't make cards no more. but yeah, like i said. it's not the monitor. i've gone through approx 30 GPU's in the past 3 years looking for another brand i might be happy with for picture clearity and crispness. and never once changed my monitor or even cords.
but needless to say i recommend, EVGA, MSI, and ASUS nvidia GPU's all the time to friends looking for good GPU's that mainly just care about performance, and overclocking with a good picture quality. would recommend Gigabyte too if it wasn't for there terrible costumer service. and for AMD gpu's i always recommend sapphire. over the past 10 years i've owned maybe 9-10 Sapphire cards and never had a problem and always had the best crispy graphics i like. as well as they have some of the best performing AMD gpu's out there. and i wouldn't know on sapphires costumer service since i've never had to contact them for anything.
LOL. That is all I am going to say here.
LOL, ikr, approx 30 GPU's in the past 3 years XD. sad but true. it comes from benchmarking, testing and overclocking all kinds of different things. wanting to play around with SLI, crossfire, physx, mantel, eyefinity, nvidia surround ect. as well as testing different brands of the same gpu's. lol not to mention i built 6 pc's from all the parts i had piling up over the past 3 years, from going through my tinkering and testing phase that i either sold cheap or gave away, just to get them out of my way XD. BTW very nice system you have there. wish i had the money to run a set up like that. :0)
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/26 22:56:30
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LOL, ikr, approx 30 GPU's in the past 3 years XD. sad but true. it comes from benchmarking, testing and overclocking all kinds of different things. wanting to play around with SLI, crossfire, physx, mantel, eyefinity, nvidia surround ect. as well as testing different brands of the same gpu's. lol not to mention i built 6 pc's from all the parts i had piling up over the past 3 years, from going through my tinkering and testing phase that i either sold cheap or gave away, just to get them out of my way XD.
BTW very nice system you have there. wish i had the money to run a set up like that. :0)
My point was, you never updated the monitor, which is probably a big part of the fuzziness you are experiencing. I am still in the tinkering phase. I am trying to get the 3960x up and running, but I don't have anywhere to set it up and my buddy hasn't ordered his new GPU yet. I am taking my 760's back from him in a few days anyway, so I can start testing out that entire system.
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/26 23:31:39
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The fuzziness he's experiencing is probably all in his head.
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/27 02:28:31
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The fuzziness he's experiencing is probably all in his head.
I call it Oculus AMD Fanboyism, caused by the most recent AMD Cataracts version 14.
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/27 09:58:03
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The fuzziness he's experiencing is probably all in his head.
lol, nah man. it's not all in my head. it's actually there XD. here are some configurations i've used for testing. and it wasn't only done with AMD gpu's. test examples: hd 4850's 1x Sapphire hd 4850 + 1x MSI hd 4850 sapphire gpu was drastically clearer compared to the MSI gpu, regardless what monitor it was attached too. GTX 260's BFG gtx 260 + EVGA gtx 260 BFG was much clearer compared to the EVGA, also regardless what monitor it was attached too. GTX 460's Asus gtx 460 + EVGA gtx 460 this was close but the EVGA was slightly clearer compared to the Asus gpu, also regardless what monitor it was attached to. GTX 570's MSI gtx 570 + Asus gtx 570 MSI was slightly clearer compared to the Asus gpu. however i kept the Asus because of being the best overclocker out of the 2 gpu's also seen a difference on a friends set up HD 7950's Sapphire hd 7950 + HIS hd 7950 Sapphire was again drastically clearer compared to the HIS. this was only tested on the same display however. but was still very noticeable switching from 1 gpu to the other. so everyone can laugh at me and burn me down, no problem :0). i still stand convinced with my own testing and experiences, that GPU manufacturers do make a difference in picture quality outputs. performance wise there all fairly close, some are just better overclockers then others. actually that last sentience excludes XFX. had about 3 gpu's from them and not a single one performed any where close to what they should have. XFX gpu's are just BAD BAD BAD all the way around XD.
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/27 10:50:19
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LOL, ikr, approx 30 GPU's in the past 3 years XD. sad but true. it comes from benchmarking, testing and overclocking all kinds of different things. wanting to play around with SLI, crossfire, physx, mantel, eyefinity, nvidia surround ect. as well as testing different brands of the same gpu's. lol not to mention i built 6 pc's from all the parts i had piling up over the past 3 years, from going through my tinkering and testing phase that i either sold cheap or gave away, just to get them out of my way XD.
BTW very nice system you have there. wish i had the money to run a set up like that. :0)
My point was, you never updated the monitor, which is probably a big part of the fuzziness you are experiencing.
I am still in the tinkering phase. I am trying to get the 3960x up and running, but I don't have anywhere to set it up and my buddy hasn't ordered his new GPU yet. I am taking my 760's back from him in a few days anyway, so I can start testing out that entire system.
i hear ya, but i have tried other monitors as well. but always went back to the one i've used for a while because i liked the picture output on it. eventually i want to upgrade my mobo and CPU, but not sure when since this one still does every thing i want it to do with no problems. but what i've seen on benchmarks from that I7 3960x is very impressive. sadly i can't afford 600-700 on a cpu. but yeah, i''m in major need of a new gpu upgrade now that my GTX 570 is no longer meeting recommended requirements on games i want to play and can no longer max out settings even at 1080p. but i'm holding out till Feb, and seeing what the R9 380x is going to be priced at. if it's not in the $350 range then i'll be getting either the MSI GTX 970 or the EVGA GTX 970 ftw. would get a R9 290x so i can go back to Sapphire but i also want to make sure i get a GPU with DX12 and can still perform and do what i want with a little future proof. but good luck with getting the I7 3960x up and running :0).
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/27 13:35:07
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There is little monetary incentive for EVGA to compete against their own existing product lines.
Especially when Nvidia essentially cut XFX off after the whole 480 delay fiasco. No fermi chips and encourage other partners not to work with XFX. If Evga started to make amd cards it stands to reason that Nvidia might consider doing something similar or the same thing to them given the exclusive relationship. Especially if the 390x comes out on top and Nvidia doesn't have a big boy to overprice and outperform them with for a few months as the current rumors (if they are to be believed) are leaning. http://www.fudzilla.com/g...lly-stops-doing-nvidia
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/27 14:35:27
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290 is 299
290x 399
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as of 12/27/14 Just an update, 2 months later we're seeing the following prices: 290x: $329 (ASUS) 290: $269 (XFX Double D also comes with additional 20 bucks off promo) EVAG 970 is about $329 for the cheapest version, this is currently the better buy compared to the 290x.
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/27 15:32:08
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That 970 just seems to be such a perfect blend of price and performance... hopefully the 960 can reach those who cant afford the 970. Friend built his computer around a 760 and was happy with 1080 resolution, hopefully see that again.
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/27 15:44:09
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That 970 just seems to be such a perfect blend of price and performance... hopefully the 960 can reach those who cant afford the 970. Friend built his computer around a 760 and was happy with 1080 resolution, hopefully see that again.
They will be. The X60/X60ti cards are always the pinnacle of bang for your buck and hold up well overclocking, cooling etc.... The X70 lines are pretty much always a issue though.....isn't that weird?!?!?!? :P
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/27 18:32:06
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VequalsITR
290 is 299
290x 399
as of 10-9-14
as of 12/27/14
Just an update, 2 months later we're seeing the following prices:
290x: $329 (ASUS)
290: $269 (XFX Double D also comes with additional 20 bucks off promo)
EVAG 970 is about $329 for the cheapest version, this is currently the better buy compared to the 290x.
Really depends on the game. http://www.guru3d.com/art..._gaming_review,15.html
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/29 18:58:19
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You make it sound as though Nvidia has never been in the same situation in the last few years. Both trade blows with who ends up having the loader fan, more energy consumption and running hotter every time a new series comes out.
hasn't been for awhile though, the last time AMD solidly had the crown was back when they where ATI, from 2003-2006. Nvidia keeps beating them, except for the time span the 5970 was out, but it was so hard to find, it almost doesn't count that it even existed.
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/29 18:59:02
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VequalsITR
290 is 299
290x 399
as of 10-9-14
as of 12/27/14
Just an update, 2 months later we're seeing the following prices:
290x: $329 (ASUS)
290: $269 (XFX Double D also comes with additional 20 bucks off promo)
EVAG 970 is about $329 for the cheapest version, this is currently the better buy compared to the 290x.
Really depends on the game.
http://www.guru3d.com/art..._gaming_review,15.html
4FPS for what an extra 100W of power?
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/29 22:16:29
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VequalsITR
290 is 299
290x 399
as of 10-9-14
as of 12/27/14
Just an update, 2 months later we're seeing the following prices:
290x: $329 (ASUS)
290: $269 (XFX Double D also comes with additional 20 bucks off promo)
EVAG 970 is about $329 for the cheapest version, this is currently the better buy compared to the 290x.
Really depends on the game.
http://www.guru3d.com/art..._gaming_review,15.html
4FPS for what an extra 100W of power?
Well he is right it does perform better at certain games. Some people don't care about efficiency. I see a lot of people actually attempting to be more mind conservative about electricity especially since the world is going more green. There are those that still don't care about that. It is all about your preferences.
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/30 02:31:44
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Don't get me wrong... I've been highly considering moving over to a pair of GTX 970 FTW edition cards and may do the switch around my birthday... I have a dilemma though... I could get a second R9 290X and attempt to see how they work on my current PSU with a 4K monitor... Or just go straight for performance and get a pair of GTX 970's and stay with my current 1080p monitor. I have a month to figure it out... I still don't have my mind made up... Just recently found a 4K samsung 40" TV for $650, it's making my decision very hard... It will be made up within the next few weeks.
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/30 04:12:56
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Don't get me wrong... I've been highly considering moving over to a pair of GTX 970 FTW edition cards and may do the switch around my birthday... I have a dilemma though... I could get a second R9 290X and attempt to see how they work on my current PSU with a 4K monitor... Or just go straight for performance and get a pair of GTX 970's and stay with my current 1080p monitor. I have a month to figure it out... I still don't have my mind made up... Just recently found a 4K samsung 40" TV for $650, it's making my decision very hard... It will be made up within the next few weeks.
Personally I wouldn't buy a 4k right now. Samsung announced all their 2015 5k monitor will support free-synch and would be cheaper as their new factory will be finished. I want to get g-snyc personally because of ULMB, but that may be a dieing technology. I also don't want to use freesynch because everyone says "Oh its a AMD technology" when really VESA has had this idea for awhile now probably before nvidia or AMD.
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/30 09:53:42
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Don't get me wrong... I've been highly considering moving over to a pair of GTX 970 FTW edition cards and may do the switch around my birthday... I have a dilemma though... I could get a second R9 290X and attempt to see how they work on my current PSU with a 4K monitor... Or just go straight for performance and get a pair of GTX 970's and stay with my current 1080p monitor. I have a month to figure it out... I still don't have my mind made up... Just recently found a 4K samsung 40" TV for $650, it's making my decision very hard... It will be made up within the next few weeks.
you could always try this Changhong 42" Class 4K Ultra HD LED TV - UD42YC5500UA for $400 @ newegg or this Changhong 49" Class 4K Ultra HD LED TV - UD49YC5500UA for $500 @ newegg not the greatest brands but cheap 4k TV's ATM
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/30 11:40:09
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seta8967
candle_86
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seth89
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290 is 299
290x 399
as of 10-9-14
as of 12/27/14
Just an update, 2 months later we're seeing the following prices:
290x: $329 (ASUS)
290: $269 (XFX Double D also comes with additional 20 bucks off promo)
EVAG 970 is about $329 for the cheapest version, this is currently the better buy compared to the 290x.
Really depends on the game.
http://www.guru3d.com/art..._gaming_review,15.html
4FPS for what an extra 100W of power?
Well he is right it does perform better at certain games. Some people don't care about efficiency. I see a lot of people actually attempting to be more mind conservative about electricity especially since the world is going more green. There are those that still don't care about that. It is all about your preferences.
Well maybe alot don't pay their power bills for one reason or another, or same may simply be well off enough where they don't care. I make enough money to live comfortably but throwing away money makes no sense to me personally. I like high preformance but a very small gain isn't worth it to me.
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/31 04:29:20
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vanquishedlight
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Don't get me wrong... I've been highly considering moving over to a pair of GTX 970 FTW edition cards and may do the switch around my birthday... I have a dilemma though... I could get a second R9 290X and attempt to see how they work on my current PSU with a 4K monitor... Or just go straight for performance and get a pair of GTX 970's and stay with my current 1080p monitor. I have a month to figure it out... I still don't have my mind made up... Just recently found a 4K samsung 40" TV for $650, it's making my decision very hard... It will be made up within the next few weeks.
you could always try this
Changhong 42" Class 4K Ultra HD LED TV - UD42YC5500UA for $400 @ newegg
or this
Changhong 49" Class 4K Ultra HD LED TV - UD49YC5500UA for $500 @ newegg
not the greatest brands but cheap 4k TV's ATM
Yeah... I checked into those. They are limited to HDMI 1.4 which means 30Hz refresh rate @ 4K and the response time is also getting up there. It mentions 8ms, but some reviews mention ghosting, which makes me think they are probably 14ms+ panels. candle_86
seta8967
candle_86
RainStryke
seth89
VequalsITR
290 is 299
290x 399
as of 10-9-14
as of 12/27/14
Just an update, 2 months later we're seeing the following prices:
290x: $329 (ASUS)
290: $269 (XFX Double D also comes with additional 20 bucks off promo)
EVAG 970 is about $329 for the cheapest version, this is currently the better buy compared to the 290x.
Really depends on the game.
http://www.guru3d.com/art..._gaming_review,15.html
4FPS for what an extra 100W of power?
Well he is right it does perform better at certain games. Some people don't care about efficiency. I see a lot of people actually attempting to be more mind conservative about electricity especially since the world is going more green. There are those that still don't care about that. It is all about your preferences.
Well maybe alot don't pay their power bills for one reason or another, or same may simply be well off enough where they don't care. I make enough money to live comfortably but throwing away money makes no sense to me personally. I like high preformance but a very small gain isn't worth it to me.
Ehh... I pay my power bill just fine. During the summer I had my PC off for weeks at a time... My power bill didn't change much at all. Maybe if I were running a crypto currency farm i'd say you have an argument, but really... The difference per month is very small when you are just running a single card set-up. I could also argue the point that it saves me a little bit on heating since it does so well at keeping my room warm in the winter. 
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Re: AMD NOT cutting prices
2014/12/31 08:33:02
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well that would make a difference, i keep my stuff on 24/7, don't like seeing it off, and its usually doing something even when im not using it.
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