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Re: 780 Ti Step Up to 980 regrets???
2014/12/15 13:02:16
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Did you notice some difference because slower memory interface on GTX980.
I doubt that's possible but... who knows?
Upgrade from GTX780 to GTX980 is completely different thing than GTX780Ti > GTX980.
In your case you got even 30% better card.
Maybe this will explain what I am seeing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_kY_v38QlM
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Re: 780 Ti Step Up to 980 regrets???
2014/12/15 13:19:20
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Just had this article suggested to me by google. Made my think of this thread. Seems the 970 handily beats the 780 in basically every bench/game the author tested (both single and SLI configs). So since the 980>970, you can extrapolate from there. http://www.geared.us/tech...tx-970-vs-msi-gtx-780/
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Re: 780 Ti Step Up to 980 regrets???
2014/12/15 20:56:48
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What is better option 2xGTX970 FTW or GTX980 Classified?
I must repeat some games not react on SLI and less fps you have with SLI than with single card.
That's 1% of games but.
It's time to EK launch that waterblocks from GTX970 FTW.
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Re: 780 Ti Step Up to 980 regrets???
2014/12/16 11:17:58
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I almost pulled my step-up last night because I was comparing my setup overclocked with others. It's a lot of hit and miss but what I see most improvements are on 3dmark benchmarks where it dominates the 780ti. I ran some performance mark benchmarks last night and beat the majority of scores out there. I guess it all comes down to the extra gig of video ram and from what I am hearing from many others coming from a 780 ti, it's a lot quieter. Playing BF4, I have to keep my gpu fans at 70% to average 70c temperatures on the cards itself. Those 2 780 ti's produce the most noise out of my whole setup. Still on the fence on the 980's but leaning towards the step up program because of newer architecture, more vram, and a slightly more quiet setup. I just hope I do not regret the decision side stepping to the 980's.
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Re: 780 Ti Step Up to 980 regrets???
2014/12/16 13:16:09
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I almost pulled my step-up last night because I was comparing my setup overclocked with others. It's a lot of hit and miss but what I see most improvements are on 3dmark benchmarks where it dominates the 780ti. I ran some performance mark benchmarks last night and beat the majority of scores out there. I guess it all comes down to the extra gig of video ram and from what I am hearing from many others coming from a 780 ti, it's a lot quieter. Playing BF4, I have to keep my gpu fans at 70% to average 70c temperatures on the cards itself. Those 2 780 ti's produce the most noise out of my whole setup. Still on the fence on the 980's but leaning towards the step up program because of newer architecture, more vram, and a slightly more quiet setup. I just hope I do not regret the decision side stepping to the 980's.
did you have a look at this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_kY_v38QlM this is what I felt??
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Re: 780 Ti Step Up to 980 regrets???
2014/12/16 18:10:55
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One guy compare GTX980 with GTX780Ti K|NGP|N Classy on youtube, I don't know how many people saw that. I liked his video clips. But he hit some crazy samples of both. My head start to heart me when I saw clocks and games and benchmark tests of both cards. GTX980 on 1600MHz and GTX780Ti K|NGP|N on 1400MHz, gaming, benchmarks, everything... I suppose setup is under water. I was surprised that GTX980 on reference clock is not behind GTX780Ti K|NGP|N in games. I mean in more situation higher fps is on GTX980, sometimes on GTX780Ti K|NGP|N, I don't know how because in firestrike on such settings (fabric)and Unigine Heaven, Unigine Valley GTX980 is inferior without doubt. You can check these clips... http://youtu.be/JtGr7KdVEOs
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Re: 780 Ti Step Up to 980 regrets???
2014/12/17 00:00:35
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Don't regret going from the 780ti Classified to the 980 SC ACX 2.0... Runs A LOT cooler, a few more frames per second, and runs quieter...
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Re: 780 Ti Step Up to 980 regrets???
2014/12/17 02:17:53
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But GTX780Ti Classified is stronger in every benchmark test than GTX980 SC ACX 2.0. If someone think to do something like that to cross from premium chip Classified model to mid range with reference PCB with premium price than it's logical way to target models with 1400-1450MHz boost at least. My plan was to play games on GTX780Ti 1200-1300MHz with waterblock until NVIDIA launch something what can keep high fps and max textures next 24 months, without limited video memory. Successor of Titan Black or eventually overclocked model of GTX990 or something like that. But some unplanned things stop me and I swear is not my fault. I mean better 3GB next few months than 4GB next 2-3 years. I could invest in 1000$ card because I would pay only 550-600$ and rest from selling GTX780Ti, but my plans always go wrong.
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Re: 780 Ti Step Up to 980 regrets???
2014/12/17 21:31:14
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If you read the Tom's Hardware review of the 980 it mentions that 4k is going to have an issue. The 256-bit bus is a choke on the 4k systems. To that end the 780 and 780Ti are better cards. However, in every other metric the 980 provides better value and performance. So if you're going 4k it will hurt you there.
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Re: 780 Ti Step Up to 980 regrets???
2014/12/17 23:06:06
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It's really fair to NVIDIA lose battle with AMD in Maxwell generation.
I mean when you look their cutting and versions of GK110 and video memory you want to puke.
You don't know what is bigger mistake or sin or playing with gamers... GTX780Ti 3GB, GTX980 256bit, or idea and demand of people to NVIDIA launch GTX980 with 8GB and 256bit. AMD even cover old generation for people who don't have money to invest 600$ in Bermuda XT...
They could buy R9-290X CF 8GB and price will become very affordable in that period and NVIDIA users will look what will be limited for 6 months, memory, performance, voltage limitation, worse and worse drivers, unstable cards, black screen, DVI port problems, petition for low GPU Usage on 970/980... Mess, it's time to AMD be rewarded for hard work. They make mistake, they have terrible moves, problems on every side, but you see some wish to offer best they can. From NVIDIA CEO you only expect to throw price as bubble gums 1000-2000-3000$...
GeForce Titan... Not made for gamers, but gamers are target...because NVIDIA want to their customer enjoy in such good hardware, but for 1000$ because that's not for gamers. But share driver with GTX650 and GTX560.
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Re: 780 Ti Step Up to 980 regrets???
2014/12/17 23:19:13
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If you read the Tom's Hardware review of the 980 it mentions that 4k is going to have an issue. The 256-bit bus is a choke on the 4k systems. To that end the 780 and 780Ti are better cards. However, in every other metric the 980 provides better value and performance. So if you're going 4k it will hurt you there.
makes you wonder if these things are deliberate. It seems inevitable a later 900 series card will be 384+bit and 8gig vram.
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Re: 780 Ti Step Up to 980 regrets???
2014/12/18 06:15:02
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I looked now clip with Assassins Creed Unity... and my final decision is ... Not worth investment in GTX780Ti SLI. Avoid, sell, who is owners find buyers who no money for new cards... Maxed Out Video on 1920x1080 resolution with GTX980 is about 50-55-60, maybe sometimes little lower. But memory usage is 3800 MB. That mean people with GTX970 SLI will play better than GTX780Ti 3way SLI. NVIDIA serious screw us...I mean serious... How to someone invest even in GTX980 4GB when 1920x1080 use 200MB less video memory. I will probably to go on full unlocked GM200(this full is underlined) with intention to fast sell and upgrade on GM210, I can't miss GM210 and sleep calm. GF110 and GK110 are in my house, real successor is still in NVIDIA lab. I hope that card will give me peace at least 24 months without looking on Radeon side and memory limitation. If NVIDIA think we are good enough for GM210. I even think NVIDIA will not give name Titan II to GM200 because performance compared with Bermuda XT... and I hope GM200 is not last Maxwell.
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Re: 780 Ti Step Up to 980 regrets???
2014/12/18 07:52:49
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If you read the Tom's Hardware review of the 980 it mentions that 4k is going to have an issue. The 256-bit bus is a choke on the 4k systems. To that end the 780 and 780Ti are better cards. However, in every other metric the 980 provides better value and performance. So if you're going 4k it will hurt you there.
makes you wonder if these things are deliberate.
It seems inevitable a later 900 series card will be 384+bit and 8gig vram.
I would agree with you here. There is a plan to roll out a higher level 980, whether or not that is the Ti will be seen. But it was clear from the pricing. The 780 was almost a $1K at launch, hence I didn't bite and waited until the 980. But that being seen, at launch the 980 was what $550/600. HUGE drop in price for the new flagship, so something else is coming, probably not until Q2 15 if I was to guess.
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Re: 780 Ti Step Up to 980 regrets???
2014/12/18 20:28:29
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The 980 is not worth it. If I could go back I would have kept my 780 ti cards without a thought. Only thing 900 series does well is 3d mark. In gaming, the difference is negligible. I play in 4k and am very disappointed in how the 980 performs. Even running a gtx980 @ 1600 core I feel a 780 ti @ 1100 does the same job easily.
I'm forced to just hoping nvidia at some point can figure out better drivers, but they have been getting worse and worse. (Especially sli)
Plus all my systems with 900 cards whine. None of my 700s did this. I've owned Asus, evga, and evga 980s and 970s. All have coil whine across 3 different test systems. Some are MUCH worse..
I liked your video, very nice system. I noticed you have one of the SLI bridges, they don't list the Classified GTX 980 as compatible but I'm guessing after watching your video that they are. You're using the 3-way bridge on your two way correct?
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Re: 780 Ti Step Up to 980 regrets???
2014/12/18 20:30:26
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Now you are all making me want to pull my step up. Only two things I do like about the 980's is the lower operating temp/silent operation and the extra GB of Video RAM.
I don't regret buying two of the Classified's, waiting on #2 but the one I do have runs very cool and performs very well and I couldn't locate 2 780ti's...
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Re: 780 Ti Step Up to 980 regrets???
2014/12/19 09:31:06
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So 2 days ago, I removed both my 780 Ti's and sent them in to EVGA for the step up. Should be arriving there today. Excited to get the new cards but still worried I will get low ASIC quality cards as I plan to keep them on air. I know in some instances the 980 pulls ahead in benchmarks and in others the 780 Ti comes out in front. It's just funny researching/reading all these ignorant posts about 980 vs 780 ti's and how many people say in general screw the 780ti get the 970's which is on par with the 780 Ti's. I don't have the strength to post on every single board to counter that statement. Oh well, but to get back on subject. I will post my results after I get both cards installed.
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Re: 780 Ti Step Up to 980 regrets???
2014/12/19 09:55:11
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If you disagree with that statement it would be best to quantify your position instead of simply saying people are wrong but you "don't have the strength " to say why or how. IMO it would be best to either ignore it completely or elaborate further.
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Re: 780 Ti Step Up to 980 regrets???
2014/12/19 10:02:57
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If you disagree with that statement it would be best to quantify your position instead of simply saying people are wrong but you "don't have the strength " to say why or how. IMO it would be best to either ignore it completely or elaborate further.
It's not in this thread. What I am saying is I don't have the strength to post to every single one of them from multiple websites, link and quote etc. So in short I do not respond to them. I noticed earlier you posted about the 780's. I am talking about the 780 Ti. In the OP I was asking about regrets coming from a 780 Ti (not 780) to a 980.
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Re: 780 Ti Step Up to 980 regrets???
2014/12/19 19:27:20
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Nooooooooooooooo! I finally had the money to buy one and I am too late for a backplate. Anyone know what I could get for an EVGA 660ti SC? I am guessing there should be enough there to buy a backplate as well as a decently-sized SSD for games.
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Re: 780 Ti Step Up to 980 regrets???
2014/12/19 20:31:35
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But GTX780Ti Classified is stronger in every benchmark test than GTX980 SC ACX 2.0.
If someone think to do something like that to cross from premium chip Classified model to mid range with reference PCB with premium price than it's logical way to target models with 1400-1450MHz boost at least.
My plan was to play games on GTX780Ti 1200-1300MHz with waterblock until NVIDIA launch something what can keep high
fps and max textures next 24 months, without limited video memory. Successor of Titan Black or eventually overclocked model of GTX990 or something like that.
But some unplanned things stop me and I swear is not my fault. I mean better 3GB next few months than 4GB next 2-3 years.
I could invest in 1000$ card because I would pay only 550-600$ and rest from selling GTX780Ti, but my plans always go wrong.
Haven't noticed much of a difference in gaming, probably a tad faster, but in 3d Mark Firestrike I get higher scores with the 980 SC.
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