kaninja
I'm jealous....my 1997 Exploder uses more gas in 10 than either of you do in an hour.

Baltothewolf

But you get comfort, and luxury. My insight seats are some of the most uncomfortable seats I have ever sat on. Now if I swap in s2k seats and steering wheel the ride is MUCH better, but the seats cost 600$ and the steering wheel is 200 lol. If my Mustang was still running I would drive that around town, and use the insight for down the hill trips, but alas, it doesn't run.

Baltothewolf
 
The main reason I said what I said is, my uncle has a 2007 Explorer limited and it's SOOOO COMFORTABLE. Whenever I'm down there, I ditch the insight and drive that instead haha. Sure I don't have to pay for gas, but still. 
 
Also, why not look into getting an insight? If your commute is over 30 miles each way, you would be in for massive savings. Heck, even a Civic VX would be a great option, as they still get 50+ easy.
 
I have only owned my insight for 2 1/2 months and I have driven 3,737 miles, getting a total of 57.5MPG. Now, this is including that my first 2 tanks were under 50MPG as I had clogged Catalytic coverters (which I hollowed out, Insights are smog excempt in Cali). Comparing that to what my '95 Camry used to get (30MPG average) I have saved 436$. I paid 2,000 for this car, and have about 800$ in repairs to it since I bought it. This car will pay for itself in 2 years. Comparing to say, 20mpg like my uncle gets it's a total saved of 654 in 2 months! A decent Insight with a good IMA pack costs about 3500-4500$ depending on the color. Something to consider.

 
Here is the Data to my Insight.
 

• Lifetime Fuel Economy: 57.5 mpg (US), 4.1 L/100 km, 69 mpg (Imp)
• 90-day Fuel Economy: 57.5 mpg (US), 4.1 L/100 km, 69 mpg (Imp)
• 3-tank Fuel Economy: 61.7 mpg (US), 3.8 L/100 km, 74.1 mpg (Imp)
• EPA Combined Rating / % over rating: 53 mpg (US) / 8.5% (based on 90-day fuel economy)
• Total fills: 7
• Average cost per gal/L: $3.23 per gal (US); $0.00 per L (price data entered for 7 fill/s)
• Average cost per fill: $30.05
• Average distance cost: $0.06 per mi. / $0.03 per km
• Total fuel used: 65.03 gal (US), 246.2 L
• Total distance traveled: 3737.8 mi. / 6015.4 km
• Total cost: $210.34
• Total fuel saved vs. EPA: 5.5 gal. (US) / 20.8 L
• Total saved: $17.77 (based on avg. cost per gal./L)
• Average tank distance: 534 mi. / 859.3 km

I would also like to add, for the past 4 tanks, I haven't gotten under 60mpg. I was getting really crappy MPG due to many problems I was having with this car due to serious neglect from the previous owner, but the biggest impact was 2 things, tires and spark plugs. Tires gave me a 5-10mpg bump, and spark plugs picked me up 1 or 2. I'm going to be getting the proper underbelly paneling, and front wheel skirts (picture them as reversed mud flaps, designed to deflect the air around the tires instead of the tires acting like a wind wall). I should easily be getting 65+ per tank after that, and 75+ in the summer.
 
Oh also ANOTHER thing, before anyone says "but hybrid batteries only last 2-3 years!". No, they do not. if you properly take care of them, batteries can last 10+ years depending on  if you grid charge it, the climate and how heavily you abuse it. I personally know a person who has their original Honda battery from 2000. His is going out and throwing codes now, and needs to replace it, but 14.5 years isn't bad. Hybrid batteries are 2,100$.

kaninja

Baltothewolf
 
The main reason I said what I said is, my uncle has a 2007 Explorer limited and it's SOOOO COMFORTABLE. Whenever I'm down there, I ditch the insight and drive that instead haha. Sure I don't have to pay for gas, but still. 
 
Also, why not look into getting an insight? If your commute is over 30 miles each way, you would be in for massive savings. Heck, even a Civic VX would be a great option, as they still get 50+ easy.
 
I have only owned my insight for 2 1/2 months and I have driven 3,737 miles, getting a total of 57.5MPG. Now, this is including that my first 2 tanks were under 50MPG as I had clogged Catalytic coverters (which I hollowed out, Insights are smog excempt in Cali). Comparing that to what my '95 Camry used to get (30MPG average) I have saved 436$. I paid 2,000 for this car, and have about 800$ in repairs to it since I bought it. This car will pay for itself in 2 years. Comparing to say, 20mpg like my uncle gets it's a total saved of 654 in 2 months! A decent Insight with a good IMA pack costs about 3500-4500$ depending on the color. Something to consider.

 
Here is the Data to my Insight.
 

• Lifetime Fuel Economy: 57.5 mpg (US), 4.1 L/100 km, 69 mpg (Imp)
• 90-day Fuel Economy: 57.5 mpg (US), 4.1 L/100 km, 69 mpg (Imp)
• 3-tank Fuel Economy: 61.7 mpg (US), 3.8 L/100 km, 74.1 mpg (Imp)
• EPA Combined Rating / % over rating: 53 mpg (US) / 8.5% (based on 90-day fuel economy)
• Total fills: 7
• Average cost per gal/L: $3.23 per gal (US); $0.00 per L (price data entered for 7 fill/s)
• Average cost per fill: $30.05
• Average distance cost: $0.06 per mi. / $0.03 per km
• Total fuel used: 65.03 gal (US), 246.2 L
• Total distance traveled: 3737.8 mi. / 6015.4 km
• Total cost: $210.34
• Total fuel saved vs. EPA: 5.5 gal. (US) / 20.8 L
• Total saved: $17.77 (based on avg. cost per gal./L)
• Average tank distance: 534 mi. / 859.3 km

I would also like to add, for the past 4 tanks, I haven't gotten under 60mpg. I was getting really crappy MPG due to many problems I was having with this car due to serious neglect from the previous owner, but the biggest impact was 2 things, tires and spark plugs. Tires gave me a 5-10mpg bump, and spark plugs picked me up 1 or 2. I'm going to be getting the proper underbelly paneling, and front wheel skirts (picture them as reversed mud flaps, designed to deflect the air around the tires instead of the tires acting like a wind wall). I should easily be getting 65+ per tank after that, and 75+ in the summer.
 
Oh also ANOTHER thing, before anyone says "but hybrid batteries only last 2-3 years!". No, they do not. if you properly take care of them, batteries can last 10+ years depending on  if you grid charge it, the climate and how heavily you abuse it. I personally know a person who has their original Honda battery from 2000. His is going out and throwing codes now, and needs to replace it, but 14.5 years isn't bad. Hybrid batteries are 2,100$.

Yeah, a small car with great fuel economy would be great.  However I need the space and towing ability of the Explorer.  I'm a single Dad and can't afford 2 vehicles right now.  The Explorer is paid off and if I am going to get another vehicle it will be a new SUV type vehicle with somewhat decent off road capability.  The new Jeep Cherokee had me excited for a bit but then north America didn't get the 2.0 turbo diesel, and the new 9-speed automatic in the thing is a complete mess with terrible shifting and blown trannies galore!!!.....so that option is out.  All I need is 20mpg city and 32mpg hwy and I will be happy.
 

Baltothewolf

kaninja

Baltothewolf

But you get comfort, and luxury. My insight seats are some of the most uncomfortable seats I have ever sat on. Now if I swap in s2k seats and steering wheel the ride is MUCH better, but the seats cost 600$ and the steering wheel is 200 lol. If my Mustang was still running I would drive that around town, and use the insight for down the hill trips, but alas, it doesn't run.

Ha ha, true I do have nice pillowy electric leather seats with 8 way adjustability, but sometimes I would trade a bit of comfort away when I see these little gas sippers pull up at the station a few minutes after I have started pumping gas, fill their cars and drive away while I am still there trying to fill my swimming pool sized tank.

The main reason I said what I said is, my uncle has a 2007 Explorer limited and it's SOOOO COMFORTABLE. Whenever I'm down there, I ditch the insight and drive that instead haha. Sure I don't have to pay for gas, but still. 
 
Also, why not look into getting an insight? If your commute is over 30 miles each way, you would be in for massive savings. Heck, even a Civic VX would be a great option, as they still get 50+ easy.
 
I have only owned my insight for 2 1/2 months and I have driven 3,737 miles, getting a total of 57.5MPG. Now, this is including that my first 2 tanks were under 50MPG as I had clogged Catalytic coverters (which I hollowed out, Insights are smog excempt in Cali). Comparing that to what my '95 Camry used to get (30MPG average) I have saved 436$. I paid 2,000 for this car, and have about 800$ in repairs to it since I bought it. This car will pay for itself in 2 years. Comparing to say, 20mpg like my uncle gets it's a total saved of 654 in 2 months! A decent Insight with a good IMA pack costs about 3500-4500$ depending on the color. Something to consider.

 
Here is the Data to my Insight.
 

• Lifetime Fuel Economy: 57.5 mpg (US), 4.1 L/100 km, 69 mpg (Imp)
• 90-day Fuel Economy: 57.5 mpg (US), 4.1 L/100 km, 69 mpg (Imp)
• 3-tank Fuel Economy: 61.7 mpg (US), 3.8 L/100 km, 74.1 mpg (Imp)
• EPA Combined Rating / % over rating: 53 mpg (US) / 8.5% (based on 90-day fuel economy)
• Total fills: 7
• Average cost per gal/L: $3.23 per gal (US); $0.00 per L (price data entered for 7 fill/s)
• Average cost per fill: $30.05
• Average distance cost: $0.06 per mi. / $0.03 per km
• Total fuel used: 65.03 gal (US), 246.2 L
• Total distance traveled: 3737.8 mi. / 6015.4 km
• Total cost: $210.34
• Total fuel saved vs. EPA: 5.5 gal. (US) / 20.8 L
• Total saved: $17.77 (based on avg. cost per gal./L)
• Average tank distance: 534 mi. / 859.3 km

I would also like to add, for the past 4 tanks, I haven't gotten under 60mpg. I was getting really crappy MPG due to many problems I was having with this car due to serious neglect from the previous owner, but the biggest impact was 2 things, tires and spark plugs. Tires gave me a 5-10mpg bump, and spark plugs picked me up 1 or 2. I'm going to be getting the proper underbelly paneling, and front wheel skirts (picture them as reversed mud flaps, designed to deflect the air around the tires instead of the tires acting like a wind wall). I should easily be getting 65+ per tank after that, and 75+ in the summer.
 
Oh also ANOTHER thing, before anyone says "but hybrid batteries only last 2-3 years!". No, they do not. if you properly take care of them, batteries can last 10+ years depending on  if you grid charge it, the climate and how heavily you abuse it. I personally know a person who has their original Honda battery from 2000. His is going out and throwing codes now, and needs to replace it, but 14.5 years isn't bad. Hybrid batteries are 2,100$.

ty_ger07

_Nite_
Automatic is only good for racing and banging around town in a standard car
 
Manual is needed for racing, offroading and pulling heavy loads.

Fixed ^^

HAZMAN_THE_GREAT

Baltothewolf

kaninja

Baltothewolf

But you get comfort, and luxury. My insight seats are some of the most uncomfortable seats I have ever sat on. Now if I swap in s2k seats and steering wheel the ride is MUCH better, but the seats cost 600$ and the steering wheel is 200 lol. If my Mustang was still running I would drive that around town, and use the insight for down the hill trips, but alas, it doesn't run.

Ha ha, true I do have nice pillowy electric leather seats with 8 way adjustability, but sometimes I would trade a bit of comfort away when I see these little gas sippers pull up at the station a few minutes after I have started pumping gas, fill their cars and drive away while I am still there trying to fill my swimming pool sized tank.

So you say your car is going to pay itself in 2 years even though you put $800 in repairs right? Typically since you have a car that you bought that had to have repairs, your going to have to have even more repairs. That means either the owner did a poor job with maintenance as well as condition of the car or that means weather could play a part in parts being ruined. Also at times if you bought a car that was previously a rental car your generally going to have trouble too(I am sure you peeps understand where I am coming from there). Balto is going to be like DAMN IT whats broken this time. More repairs means more time for the car to pay itself back.

wrinvert

 

Violence.

kram36
Fastest "street car" in the world. I don't see this guy pressing a clutch or moving an arm off the steering wheel to shift gears.
 
https://www.youtube.com/w...mp;v=1yVnho0xqow#t=211

 
old video. that truck went into the 5's. AND it has a overdrive unit. 
 

Baltothewolf
Noo so close, I can taste it! The auto version of the insight wouldn't be able to touch this.

HAZMAN_THE_GREAT
I like my mazda 3. Its gets good  MPG just running regular unleaded gas as you can see in the pic down below. Its because of that skyactiv engine they have. That high compression ratio for the car does wonders. It has a 14 to 1 compression ratio.  I can go 540 miles on a 13 gallon tank.  I average about 33mpg driving in the city from 17mph-30mph. The trans and chassis of the car is also skyactiv as well. Lighter chassis saves weight of course and the trans helps with shift points to save on fuel.  But I am with Balto as well. I like diesel cars because more MPG and torque. I dont care about horsepower because most of the time I wont be able to full throttle and reach my top speed. I rather have that get up and go with torque instead. Also with more torque you can tow more things. But lets not forget your drive shaft has to be able to handle the towing capacity too. Bad thing about diesel is that engines are more expensive to fix, some cities/small towns do not offer diesel at their pumps, and if you live in the country areas in Texas diesel cost A LOT.