RikkiTorment

kaninja

RikkiTorment
I think it sounds like bhole...  Now it not only looks like bhole, but it sounds like bhole too.  Maybe it has 550hp, but what, maybe 380lb-ft?  This thing is going to fall flat on its face coming out of turns against its competition, especially on quick, sharp apexes.

When the 5.0 came back in 2011, after 2-3 months of the release, you could not go a day without driving past one.  I have seen just one of these new 2016's, and it's some young kid at my campus who has that "Mommy/Daddy" money.  I would not be surprised to see this generation cost Ford money.I

Why exactly do you think it will fall flat on it's face. Torque numbers as well as final hp numbers are not available yet, but if the car has 520hp and "only" 380lb-ft of torque then that would be a major improvement over the current 425hp and 400lb-ft. The added power and increased throttle response will far outweigh any loss of torque.

They're saying that the horsepower will be up around 550hp, looking at the way flat plane crank engines have trended for power over the years, 380-lb/ft to 400-lb/ft is not a far fetched guess by any means.  The new 5.0's have been tipping the scales at about 3,800lbs, I see this thing being what, a 3,600lb car?  Easily possible...  It may look and sound good on paper, but that lack of torque when running with the rest of the pack will be clear as day.
 
Again, this is what I see when I look at it.
 

RikkiTorment
I did say 380-400lb-ft ;)  If it does however come with 420lb-ft, then no, it most likely will not fall flat on its face at the track.  However, I still speculate that this thing falls flat on its face in sales.  When you can package a GT for just shy of $50,000 like the screenshot on page one, one could only believe that this thing will start at $65,000?  Sorry, there is only one Mustang in the last forty years that is worth spending that much on, and that's a 1993 SVT Cobra R.

kaninja

RikkiTorment
I did say 380-400lb-ft ;)  If it does however come with 420lb-ft, then no, it most likely will not fall flat on its face at the track.  However, I still speculate that this thing falls flat on its face in sales.  When you can package a GT for just shy of $50,000 like the screenshot on page one, one could only believe that this thing will start at $65,000?  Sorry, there is only one Mustang in the last forty years that is worth spending that much on, and that's a 1993 SVT Cobra R.

lol, WUT?  The Cobra R sold for less than $30k brand new lol.
 
As for the 350GT there will be a waiting list.....they will sell all they make.
 
So you are saying with 400 lb-ft it falls on it's face....but with 420 it doesn't?  You are funny.

bill1024
Here is a list of the 100 most rare mustangs.
Take it with a grain of salt as some are Shelby and so on....
http://www.svtperformance...0-rarest-Mustangs-List

RikkiTorment
With how weak the recent "Track Pack's" have been, I would believe this is more targeted words the 1LE's stomping ground.  It could be a direct replacement to their short lived "Boss," which was a failure for the most part.  After all, the new IRS equipped with these cars is almost as sloppy and ill-mannered as the solid rear that they just did away with...  Not to mention it looks like an Accord.  The next generation Camaro is supposedly going to sit about 250lbs lighter, bringing it back down to a 3,500 car (just above 4th generation weight) with a much better behaved suspension.

ki11joy92

kaninja

RikkiTorment

kaninja

RikkiTorment
I think it sounds like bhole...  Now it not only looks like bhole, but it sounds like bhole too.  Maybe it has 550hp, but what, maybe 380lb-ft?  This thing is going to fall flat on its face coming out of turns against its competition, especially on quick, sharp apexes.

When the 5.0 came back in 2011, after 2-3 months of the release, you could not go a day without driving past one.  I have seen just one of these new 2016's, and it's some young kid at my campus who has that "Mommy/Daddy" money.  I would not be surprised to see this generation cost Ford money.I

Why exactly do you think it will fall flat on it's face. Torque numbers as well as final hp numbers are not available yet, but if the car has 520hp and "only" 380lb-ft of torque then that would be a major improvement over the current 425hp and 400lb-ft. The added power and increased throttle response will far outweigh any loss of torque.

They're saying that the horsepower will be up around 550hp, looking at the way flat plane crank engines have trended for power over the years, 380-lb/ft to 400-lb/ft is not a far fetched guess by any means.  The new 5.0's have been tipping the scales at about 3,800lbs, I see this thing being what, a 3,600lb car?  Easily possible...  It may look and sound good on paper, but that lack of torque when running with the rest of the pack will be clear as day.
 
Again, this is what I see when I look at it.
 

When was the last time you saw a 5.2L V8 with a flat plane crank?  Past flat plane crank motors have had less torque because of a few reasons......a shortened stroke for high RPM operation for one.....and because they have been small in displacement.  We aren't talking about a 3.6L V8 here.  My guess is that this thing makes 400-420 lb-ft of torque.....and if your 550HP number is accurate it will do anything but fall on it's face.

don't forget also that because of the lack of counterweights and a overall lightened crank assembly it's not going to have the same rotational mass as a crossplane crankshaft which means it has more force per stroke which means more torque. (or something similar to that..i'm really bad at explaining things)
 
This is the largest displacement flatplane crankshaft V8 that has EVER been made... and it has the same stroke as a regular coyote engine but has been bored out. 
 
If I get this job that I am interviewing for on Tuesday I will be ordering one on the day it's available and pay for the car in cash. I have been waiting for this thing for the longest time. To me it has great looks, the interior is ****ing lightyears away from the Camaro and a lot of other cars, lots of features, magneride suspension, a pretty much brand new engine with flat plane crankshaft that normally only comes in exotic cars and a bunch of other cool stuff. It seems like the old timers that used to make moonshine in their backyards are complaining about the lack of the rumble from the V8. It's still a V8, it has more displacement and will be able to flow a LOT better and can rev high as heck. 
The redline is 8200RPM, which is nothing really. The Boss302S had a stock redline of 8400rpm which was a dedicated track car. If they put lightweight forged rods/pistons in this thing, people are going to go above the stock limiter and tune it for 9,000rpm easily. 

kaninja
What is "just a Mustang"? Maybe you should feel sorry for yourself if what someone else doing what they want to do makes you so sad.

kram36

RikkiTorment

kaninja
What is "just a Mustang"? Maybe you should feel sorry for yourself if what someone else doing what they want to do makes you so sad.

I hope he gets the job, without a doubt.  But with a spending limit that high, out of any car you can find under $70,000, you settle for a Mustang?

Chevy wants $75k for a Camaro Z/28 and if this Mustang GT350 is on par with it, why can't they ask $70k for it? Although if I was going to spend that much money I would get a Corvette Stingray before either of those cars.

ki11joy92
Although I was extremely disspointed with the track pack option for the mustang, and how it did on the track vs 1LE camaro, that was really dissapionting for me beyond belief, I believe this new gt350 is how the pp should have been built like. And its being built to compete with the Ferrari California, Porsche gt3rs and the z/28.