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2014/10/17 15:32:40 (permalink)
I have a client who has an accounting business with no real backup system in place. Currently, they have four computers networked together sharing files from each computer (not RAIDed). One hard drive went down a couple days ago and I was able to at least backup the files they needed to use immediately in order for them to work on.

Instead of everyone saving their files on their own systems without redundancy, I was thinking about a 4-bay NAS. I'm not up to speed on what NAS technology is primarily intended for. However, I was thinking if it is suitable for this scenario, I'd like to set it up acting like a file server where it would be a central location where people save their data to (and actively open; no data will be saved locally), and not where it auto-backs up their systems. Based on my research, Synology was a recommended brand. I was thinking going with 4x1TB WD Red HDDs in a RAID1 configuration.

The Synology DS414 stood out for me.
https://www.synology.com/en-global/products/DS414

Thoughts?
post edited by NazcaC2 - 2014/10/17 15:45:46

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    Re: Need some info on NAS technology 2014/10/18 00:46:09 (permalink)
    It sounds like it's desperately needed. Most NAS boxes are as easy as plugging in and connecting directly to. Can even map it to a drive so users can access it like it was a local disk on their PC. It's also possible to give every user an individual account and create a folder only they have access rights to use.
     
    There are some problems with your specific scenario that you need to address however. Putting all the data in a RAID 5 NAS means a single point of failure. A lightning strike or power surge can easily take out the entire NAS then they would really be up a creek. They would need a regular cold backup of the NAS to prevent that. A second problem is that you don't want multiple users working from the same file stored on the NAS, because each time they save their progress it will overwrite the other person's saves and data will get lost or corrupted. You'd need to set up access rules so that can't happen but I'm not knowledgeable on the details.
     
    Synology is decent, so is QNAP (what I use).


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    Re: Need some info on NAS technology 2014/10/18 05:50:24 (permalink)
    I agree with kougar and want to stress RAID is not a backup solution. It protects against drive failure to a certain extent but creates a single point of failure as kougar already mentioned. It does not protect against file corruption, human error (deleting/overwriting files by mistake), catastrophic damage (a power surge, water/coffee, physical damage), or malware/ransomware Synology NAS servers plagued by Ransomware (updated).
     
    Not sure how much data they have but it is not difficult to create a backup solution and automate backups these days. You could add a second hard drive to a system, use another inexpensive NAS (it doesn't need RAID or special features) or use a USB hard drive. Windows Vista and newer versions of Windows come with backup and recovery software, USB hard drives usually have it and there are tons of 3rd party apps to choose from.
     
    I don’t think permissions or multiple users working from the same share will be an issue if they’re already networked together and sharing files from each computer. They would just access the existing data from a different location.

      
       
     
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    Re: Need some info on NAS technology 2014/10/18 09:43:45 (permalink)
    Thanks for the feedback.

    Would it make more sense to put an external storage device (SSDs for reliability) on each computer and set up a daily backup of their accounting data?

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    Re: Need some info on NAS technology 2014/10/18 15:25:13 (permalink)
    That would also work but it doesn't need to be SSD's or one on each computer. Two 2-4tb hard drives would suffice from the sounds of things. One for the share and one for backups. It would be more cost effective and an app like CrashPlan Free or EaseUS Todo Backup Free could be used to automate the backups.

      
       
     
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    Re: Need some info on NAS technology 2014/10/19 15:26:43 (permalink)
    There's nothing wrong with a centralized NAS for backups. Depending on how large the office is it would probably greatly simplify things (nevermind being far cheaper than buying SSDs for everyone). Just that in your post you stated you wanted to force all the users to keep their data ONLY on the NAS. As long as their data is on both their systems and the NAS then that's more acceptable. Either they can backup their own data or an automated software can do so.
     
    A lot of NAS boxes like QNAP allow someone to plug in a USB drive and have a one-touch button backup feature built in. I'd be easy to have someone do a weekly backup of the NAS in that fashion, just make sure they don't leave the drive plugged into the NAS or the wall, as again it'd need to be a cold backup. 
     


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    Re: Need some info on NAS technology 2014/10/19 18:30:23 (permalink)
    That's a good idea. I'll continue having them keep the data on their systems and have a NAS do daily backups of their key data (including a folder per each user). Plus, USB key backups.

    What QNAP or Synology products would you recommend? The budget for the diskless NAS should be around $400.

    I saw this QNAP.

    http://www.canadacomputer...357&item_id=060046
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    Re: Need some info on NAS technology 2014/10/20 01:12:27 (permalink)
    Is that $400 before or after buying disks?? 
     
    If you need to save some money then the TS-220 version knocks $90 off the price, the tradeoff is that file transfers will be a little longer. http://www.canadacomputer...357&item_id=060048
     
    TS-220 Review at SmallNetBuilder (The go-to website for NAS reviews)


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    Re: Need some info on NAS technology 2014/10/20 10:31:26 (permalink)
    Before - buying disks.

    Honestly, I don't think they have more than a couple gigabytes of data.

    Does the 220 support one button USB backup also?

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    Re: Need some info on NAS technology 2014/10/20 11:21:25 (permalink)
    The Synology has a built-in Backup Scheduler and has an App called Time Backup
     
    https://www.synology.com/en-us/dsm/5.0/data_backup
    https://www.synology.com/en-us/dsm/app_packages/TimeBackup
     
    I have a DS212j with 2x 2TB Samsung drives and a USB 2TB Seagate backup.  It works very well.

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    Re: Need some info on NAS technology 2014/10/22 02:27:54 (permalink)
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    Before - buying disks.

    Honestly, I don't think they have more than a couple gigabytes of data.

    Does the 220 support one button USB backup also?



    Yes it does, it's identical except in color, CPU, and RAM pretty much. Since it would be RAID 1 it doesn't really need the extra CPU performance anyway the 221 offers. Definitely go for The 220 or whatever is the Synology equivalent if it's cheaper or the backup app is worthwhile. I'm not well-versed with current QNAP apps as my NAS doesn't support the latest firmware packages.


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    Re: Need some info on NAS technology 2014/10/22 17:01:28 (permalink)
    Just about any NAS would be better than what you got now.
    I've used Buffalo, Seagate, WD etc and for anyone that's put a PC together they are pretty easy to setup.
    They all usually provide a web based GUI like your home router to set everything up and most support Time machines backup too which are great if you also got Macs.
    They also seem to all provide many different and multiple ways to backup for the really paranoid. I just use the RAID and assume no more than a single drive will die at same time so I can just replace it and go on with life. Other people will be paranoid and warn you about this more than single drive dying or some other unnoticed corruption going on NAS before you know it so there are also options on newer NAS boxes to hook up say a external USB drive to run another backup to that and also options to backup to another NAS on your network or cloud.
    Really can't go wrong just pick a NAS any NAS.
     
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    Re: Need some info on NAS technology 2014/10/23 21:37:38 (permalink)
    Update:  My client had a networking issue that I wasn't able to fix and I referred them to a networking professional who I deal with when I come across advanced networking troubleshooting.  I also suggested that they handle the backup scenario, since it's a bit beyond my capabilities.  Thanks for the helpful information though, everyone.

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