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3930k safe 24/7 voltage if you want it to last 5-6 years?

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2014/10/19 05:29:49 (permalink)
I was just wondering if you guys think that my 3930K will last for about 5 - 6 maby 7 years if i'm running it at this settings.

3930K settings :
Vcore 1.305 in bios vdroop disabled so the 1.305 is 1.350 when idling and daly use is 1.35 - 1.376 but it bumpes the vcore to 1.411- 1.423v when the cpu is at 100% load.
( 1.35 - 1.423v ) So mostly 1.376v.
PLL: 1.65
VCCIO/VCCSA: 1.104

Mem settings : 
2400 Mhz
1.65v 
CL 11-13-13 30 

I'm running custom water cooling and tamps are about : 39 - 70 degrees celsius ( 65 - 70 at 100 % load gaming temps are around 50 -60 degrees )

GPU : Asus RTX 2080 Ti Strix OC 2130MHz 1.081v  MB : EVGA Z390 DARK CPU : 9900KS R0 5.2GHz/4.8GHz Ring 1.34v AVX 0 Offset RAM : Team Group Xtreem T-Force 8PACK 4300MHz CL17 1.5v PSU : EVGA T2 1000w Chassi : 800D SSD/HDD : Samsung 970 EVO 250GB M.2 Bootdrive 3 SSD's (2TB all in all) and one 2TB HDD



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    Re: 3930k safe 24/7 voltage if you want it to last 5-6 years? 2014/10/19 08:18:45 (permalink)
    The "safe 24/7 voltage" is the Default setting and with no overclocking. Any setting above that will wear on your CPU.
    Glad to see your CPU @ 4600 MHz and 2400 MHz on your memory, you are lucky at what you have now. You don't really say what your CPU is set at with that low of vCore.
    You could in a few years upgrade your CPU to a 49xx. Your Motherboard and CPU will be outdated by anyway as soon as you install it and start using it. Like will all Computer Hardware New Tect Today Old Tech Tomorrow.
     
    For me 65 to 70 is to high, I keep mine below 65 and at 100% CPU usage I might see 62C.
    Idle I run at 33/34C on my DarkTitan and at 100% CPU never goes above 65C with my 4960x set to 4400MHz and Memory at 2133MHz.
    Power on at 4800MHz (vCore 1.350) and Memory set at 1866MHz my temps are 72C at 100% load and 40C at idle, this is the max I have ever gotten my X79 Dark Motherboard stable.
    After I added my 3rd Titan 4600MHz was the highest I could get stable.
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    Re: 3930k safe 24/7 voltage if you want it to last 5-6 years? 2014/10/19 09:58:09 (permalink)
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    The "safe 24/7 voltage" is the Default setting and with no overclocking. Any setting above that will wear on your CPU.
    Glad to see your CPU @ 4600 MHz and 2400 MHz on your memory, you are lucky at what you have now. You don't really say what your CPU is set at with that low of vCore.
    You could in a few years upgrade your CPU to a 49xx. Your Motherboard and CPU will be outdated by anyway as soon as you install it and start using it. Like will all Computer Hardware New Tect Today Old Tech Tomorrow.
     
    For me 65 to 70 is to high, I keep mine below 65 and at 100% CPU usage I might see 62C.
    Idle I run at 33/34C on my DarkTitan and at 100% CPU never goes above 65C with my 4960x set to 4400MHz and Memory at 2133MHz.
    Power on at 4800MHz (vCore 1.350) and Memory set at 1866MHz my temps are 72C at 100% load and 40C at idle, this is the max I have ever gotten my X79 Dark Motherboard stable.
    After I added my 3rd Titan 4600MHz was the highest I could get stable.


    Yes i know, but intel says 1.35v max and 1.4 absolute max so i'd figure that 1.423v at 100 % load which I never utilise would not harm it or am i wrong?
    I've always been a little confused about everyone saying that run out of stock speeds will degree or wear of your cpu if you use to high volt and temps at the same time.. What's confusing me is that i used to run at a Q9400 2.66 GHz Quad back in the 775 days and I had that cpu jacked up to 4.7 Ghz and 1066 Mhz ram with around 1.44v in 4 - 6 years with no problem ( Intel specs for the VID is : 0.8500V-1.3625V ). And temps is not a problems since 70 degrees is at 100 % load which i never seen other than cinebench, In games i rarely hits 60 or even 55 degrees.
    And yes the CPU speed is 4.6 Ghz.

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    Re: 3930k safe 24/7 voltage if you want it to last 5-6 years? 2014/10/19 10:34:49 (permalink)
    JUst changed to offset mode and vdroop to intel spec offset is at +34mV and that gives me a 100 % load voltage of 1.363 - 1.376v.

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    Re: 3930k safe 24/7 voltage if you want it to last 5-6 years? 2014/10/19 11:02:44 (permalink)
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    JUst changed to offset mode and vdroop to intel spec offset is at +34mV and that gives me a 100 % load voltage of 1.363 - 1.376v.


    I have not played with offset mode yet but thanks for your info I will play around it.

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    Re: 3930k safe 24/7 voltage if you want it to last 5-6 years? 2014/10/20 10:41:22 (permalink)
    Final settings:

    Multiplier : 36
    Blck: 125
    Vcore: 1.3v
    VCCIO/VCCSA: 1.1v
    PLL : stock 1.8
    Dram: 1.65

    CPU : 4.5 GHz
    Ram speed is set at 1867 and with the blck at 125 that gives me 2333 mhz which is much easier on the cpu memory controller!

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    Re: 3930k safe 24/7 voltage if you want it to last 5-6 years? 2014/11/09 00:57:04 (permalink)
    Intel warrants their processors at stock speeds for three years of non-stop 24/7 usage-- the template for the marchitectural design is mission critical server and everything from laptop to desktop to server comes from this.  
     
    If you want your processor sample to last longer at stock speeds, simply use it less often: 12-hours a day over the course of six years, for instance.  Overclocking, unfortunately, wears out the CPU faster than stock would; so to expect it to outlast stock speeds while overclocked is an oxymoron.  You'd have to use it way less often just to last longer than it would at stock speeds.
     
    You can estimate a processor's wear as a ratio of wattage, which is linear with frequency and squared with voltage.  This means that the impact of overclocking isn't just about voltage, cranking up the frequency also impacts the effect of wear because it influences the current in the processor's circuit, increasing wattage power and heat even at the same voltages.  So even if you kept the same voltages as stock speeds, you're still killing the life of the processor by bothering to increase the frequency manually.
     
    For instance, overclocking a processor 40% above stock tends to double the wattage, which in turn cuts the lifespan in half.  So instead of three years of 24/7 with 100% utilization, it becomes 18 months of 24/7; but if you want 6 years at 40% overclock, you shouldn't use it more than 6 hours a day.
     
    Of course, in six years; that is greater than a motherboard, graphics card, RAM and some PSU's may not last that long.
     
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    The "safe 24/7 voltage" is the Default setting and with no overclocking. Any setting above that will wear on your CPU.

    Yes i know, but Intel says 1.35v max and 1.4 absolute max so i'd figure that 1.423v at 100 % load which I never utilize would not harm it or am i wrong?
    Anything from Intel's website is only with regards to stock speed operation because that is all they really bin for; overclockable parts are just regular processors, unlocked, and sold for a premium; there is nothing special to them-- although some have convinced themselves that Intel must have binned it for them just because they overclock well; just like a girl that thinks a pair of jeans were made for her just because they fit so well.
     
    Anyway, the reason Intel lists min/max VID ranges for voltage is because of fabrication quality, some processors run stock speed at lower voltages and typically sold as laptop/server parts or higher voltages as desktop parts.  Once in a while Intel makes a processor that runs outside the VID range, they know it will not last their warranty of three years at nonstop 24/7 usage and the processor is discarded.  Overclockers really can't use anything from Intel's website for our intentions; Intel seriously couldn't care less outside of finding ways to make us buy into them, i.e. XMP and unlocked processors.

    For Intel processors, 0.122 x TDP = Continuous Amps at 12v [source].  

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    Re: 3930k safe 24/7 voltage if you want it to last 5-6 years? 2014/11/09 17:52:57 (permalink)
    That processor is eligible for this plan:
    http://click.intel.com/tuningplan/
     
    As for safe voltage and overclocking. Your processor will definitely degrade in performance over a 5 to 6 year period, possibly to the point of not being able to work at stock voltage at some point in time. Even with the plan Intel offers, it only lasts the remainder of your 3 year warranty that is all ready in effect from the day you purchased it. You could run it at really high voltages (1.5v) to get it to run unstable in no time... to get a replacement before the end of the warranty. The new one should last you another 2-3 years as long as you ran it under 1.3v.

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