He did the wrong thing but I almost felt a little bad for him. You could almost hear that "I just screwed up royally" tone in his voice when he was calling for the ambulance. There should be ramifications for his poor action but I do believe it was just a bad call on his part. I bet the guy that was shot is set for life!

kaninja
I agree, I don't think the cop is a bad dude....he just made a bad call. You could totally hear the "what did I just do" in his voice.

 
I do agree. It's hard to say without actually being there but it seems the better option would have been the taser, unfortunately that his reaction was the gun. Why he would roll up on the guy like that though I don't understand, obviously the guy was getting out and likely had unbuckled as soon as he hit the parking lot which is perfectly normal. Especially if he was in a hurry. Hopefully he makes a full recovery, a hip is a delicate area to be shot.
 
I do agree, never get out of the car, and never reach back in if already out. There was the cop that shot that 87(?) year old guy who reached back in his truck for the cane this summer. 
 
Very unfortunate that the man reached back into the car so quickly, I suspect if he had told the officer, "my ID is in the car", things would be different. (Not saying what he did is wrong, just hypothesizing here.)

kaninja
He has been released from hospital and will be 100% fine.

Very lucky man

100% Wrong, this Cop should be Fired and needs to spend some time in Jail.
Deadly Force for a Seatbelt Violation. I would like to say so much on this but then it would be off topic.
I would have done the same as the person in the video because that is where my license is when I drive.
 
Edited:
Deadly Force for a Seatbelt Violation in a Parking Lot.

bcavnaugh
100% Wrong, this Cop should be Fired and needs to spend some time in Jail.
Deadly Force for a Seatbelt Violation. I would like to say so much on this but then it would be off topic.
I would have done the same as the person in the video because that is where my license is when I drive.

When I drive I keep my wallet w/ License in the driver door.
 
Glad to hear the guy is going to be okay. This event really does emphasize the need for additional training for nearly all cops.

RushXTC

Halo_003

bcavnaugh
100% Wrong, this Cop should be Fired and needs to spend some time in Jail.
Deadly Force for a Seatbelt Violation. I would like to say so much on this but then it would be off topic.
I would have done the same as the person in the video because that is where my license is when I drive.

When I drive I keep my wallet w/ License in the driver door.
 
Glad to hear the guy is going to be okay. This event really does emphasize the need for additional training for nearly all cops.

That's even more dangerous for a routine stop... When they see you reaching down for something, Things can go sour.

Never been pulled over. I do it for simplicity such as when I exit the car. IF I was to get pulled over I'd be keeping hands on the wheel, when they ask for license I'd just tell them it's in the door. I don't see any point in conforming to what they would want just on the off chance I get pulled over.
 
(Now: you are completely correct it's probably not the best place to keep it.)

NordicJedi
Storing the wallet in the door may not be the best place.  But as long as you inform the officer that you're reaching for your wallet, and don't make any sudden movements, there should be no issues.
 

bcavnaugh
100% Wrong, this Cop should be Fired and needs to spend some time in Jail.
Deadly Force for a Seatbelt Violation. I would like to say so much on this but then it would be off topic.
I would have done the same as the person in the video because that is where my license is when I drive.

You must not have seen my post on the first page.  He was fired and arrested for the shooting.

Yes, I did miss your post.
For State Troopers I thought that their training was above a Sheriff or City/Town Police training.
We have had so many issue over the last few years like this maybe we need to reduce the force for better training.
It is almost like the move Police Academy, it is two sides to this because of the friends that are Troopers and in the Police Force it is making all of them bad and causing us to Fear them and not think of them as our police protection anymore.
 
It is time for each state to publish guidelines (NOT LAWS) on the procedures of what to do when pulled over by the law and when confronted by the law.
 
I do not think that we have to go so far as to drop spread and freeze do we? or IS that where we are headed?
 
That poor guy at the gas station was confronted from what I see.
This could have been in a Mall and the person could have reached in a bag to get his license and they too could have been shot.
 
Sorry if I went to far but enough is enough and I know as well as the rest of us we Do Need Our Law Enforcement.
 

Halo_003

RushXTC

Halo_003

bcavnaugh
100% Wrong, this Cop should be Fired and needs to spend some time in Jail.
Deadly Force for a Seatbelt Violation. I would like to say so much on this but then it would be off topic.
I would have done the same as the person in the video because that is where my license is when I drive.

When I drive I keep my wallet w/ License in the driver door.
 
Glad to hear the guy is going to be okay. This event really does emphasize the need for additional training for nearly all cops.

That's even more dangerous for a routine stop... When they see you reaching down for something, Things can go sour.

Never been pulled over. I do it for simplicity such as when I exit the car. IF I was to get pulled over I'd be keeping hands on the wheel, when they ask for license I'd just tell them it's in the door. I don't see any point in conforming to what they would want just on the off chance I get pulled over.
 
(Now: you are completely correct it's probably not the best place to keep it.)

As soon as I see the red and blue lights behind me, I always put my hands up so they can see that I don't have anything. It became a practice after being pulled over so many times at gun point.
 

NordicJedi
I've been pulled over a few times before, when I was younger and not such a great driver.  In general, I subscribe to the policy that you keep your hands on the steering wheel, or at least where the officer can see them.  Then inform the officer where you're going to reach for any information that may not be readily available.  If you have a firearm, then it's best if you inform the officer, especially if you're legally carrying.  
 
The two things officers are going to be looking for is whether you're being argumentative and jumpy, and if you make any sudden movements to reach for something.  Yes, it's still up to officers to verify that you're actually holding a weapon before opening fire, but there are ways to drop the caution level down.  Everyone should keep in mind that officers are just as concerned about their own safety, and most recognize that a person being detained is not going to be very happy about it.  The best way to avoid a bad situation is to keep your hands visible as much as possible, and to communicate with the officer.  

 
^ This!
 
I always tell them my next move so they can anticipate it. It's not too hard to call it out "My wallet is in my back pocket, I'm reaching for my wallet" or something like that.

Too many bad cops giving the good ones a bad name. In a perfect world the bad apples would be weeded out and kicked to the curb.
 

The cop handled that entire situation poorly. He had no control over the scene, nor did it seem like he even had his lights on to alert the guy he was being pulled over. The guy was already out of his car by the time the cop just pulled up. While the guy in the car shouldn't have probably reached so quickly to get his license, that still doesn't excuse the cop for shooting the guy.
 
I also HIGHLY disagree that people should have to tip-toe around cops because they have itchy trigger fingers. Why do cops have to react this way automatically? What happened to non-lethal force? I understand a cop has to protect themselves but short of someone pointing a gun directly at them or clearly reaching for one (visually confirming it) there are other ways to subdue people.  I mean look at all the videos of cops just shooting versus using non-lethal force. The cops in NY that suffocated the guy for selling cigarettes. Literally you had to have 5 officers lay ontop of a man for selling cigarettes? Or the cop that beat the daylights out of that black woman because she was acting crazy?
 
Cops need more training on how to effectively identify and handle situations. I think there is a case to be made that cops almost and are armed like the military these days.

Chrome-M-Dragon
If I get pulled over for speeding or a taillight or something stupid I shouldn't have to call out my moves like i'm some crazy criminal.... I get it though, ti's the world we live in, and the lunatics we are surrounded by but come on...

I know I don't feel protected when I see a cop behind me or if he pulls me over. I am nervous, even though I have a clean record. Long hair and a beard gets me the same question for the past 25 years.
Officer: Do you have an guns, knives or illegal narcotics on you or in your vehicle.
Me:No sir, just the long hair and beard.
Officer: Step out of the vehicle.
Me: You started it.
 

Twas a bad call. Cop should have been more patient knowing he asked for a license in the first place, not everyone has been pulled over before and may not know how to comply with law enforcement. I remember my first ticket I was pretty nervous and reached for my wallet without letting the officer know , all I said was yeah gimme a sec. The police officers nowadays are getting to itchy to use a gun nowadays. Go hunting or something.

MSim
This is nothing new. A cop shot a 70 year old man for stepping out of his truck and reaching in the bed of his truck to grab his cain. Cops these days are chickens and shoot way too quick. I think they  should make rookie officers go without a sidearm for the first 3-5 years to teach them how to deal with general public without using a pistol.
 
 

Ah, Yes! I believe I posted a thread about that here too when it happened.
 
I felt bad for the cop too, But what he did was wrong.

May the gun was not on safety lock and it had been mistakenly fired

The few times I have been asked to pull over by the police I alway announce what Im doing and while Im doing it.
Why?
Because cops are crazy and on edge.