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2014/09/23 21:23:17 (permalink)
I know I can use the Auto settings and watch my temps go up. I am moving from an Asus Rampage IV Black Edition AC4 Motherboard and Asus uses the DIGI Over Clock system and the tech support will help you with your over clock as well as the forum . Like EVGA always has. I am not new to EVGA I have 780i FTW that I have in my garage that I use for bike tuning and engine tunes, and I have several more.
 
 What I am looking for is some help understanding some of the voltages so I can get a good over clock. With the Black I used the XMP profile DDR3 2400 11-11-11-31-2N @1.65v – VCCSa 1.20V and the Black never set the VCCSa but I think the Dark is and it is setting the VSA to 1.2 and making it very difficult for me to set it to 1.050.
Here are my normal settings:
44 all cores
Internal PLL Overvoltage   Enabled
Dram set to 2400
BCLK Skew to Auto
CPU Vcore Voltage Reads 1.152 set to offset mode
Offset +
CPU Vcore Offset Voltage 0.020
Vtt CPU Voltage 1.05000
2nd Vtt-Auto
CPU VCCSA Voltage – Manual
CPU VCCSA Manual Voltage 1.050
Dram Voltage 1.65
CPU PLL-1.81250
PCH 1.1v-1.100
 
There a lot more setting using the DIGI system but I know EVGA has made it easier but I want to get my rig going and also understand the setting I am using.
 
 With The EVGA Bios I do not get how the offset works as I do with the Black board, and what does the VICCO replace, I know the VSA is the same as VCCSA.
 
Also I have both 8 pins plugged in but I was wondering on the second one do you need the full 8 pins?, for a good solid 44 over clock.
 
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    Re: Like help with Overclock setting on the EVGA Dark w/4930 and DDR3 2400 Memory 2014/09/24 07:23:30 (permalink)
    VSA voltage is for the memory controller.  Trying to run memory at 2400MHz will probably require at least 1.10v and maybe closer to 1.20v.  I would try at 1.10 to start and test.  Increase from there as needed.  If you pass stability testing with 1.10v, you could try decreasing it by .005v at a time.
     
    As far as using both 8 pin CPU power plugs, you probably don't need them for that OC, but in my opinion, they're there, may as well plug them both in.  Peace of mind.


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Like help with Overclock setting on the EVGA Dark w/4930 and DDR3 2400 Memory 2014/09/24 09:45:30 (permalink)
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    VSA voltage is for the memory controller.  Trying to run memory at 2400MHz will probably require at least 1.10v and maybe closer to 1.20v.  I would try at 1.10 to start and test.  Increase from there as needed.  If you pass stability testing with 1.10v, you could try decreasing it by .005v at a time.
     
    As far as using both 8 pin CPU power plugs, you probably don't need them for that OC, but in my opinion, they're there, may as well plug them both in.  Peace of mind.


    bdary,
      Thanks for reading and replying. I will do just  as you said, when working with Vccsa and VTT I was using 1.050v, But I do remember with my P67 having the VICCO at 1.20v so the method EVGA is using to get the clock is qite diffrent. Thank you for reminding me and I will load Windows first the start messing with the clock speed. Thanks again for reading my post for help and responding with a very useful reply.
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    Re: Like help with Overclock setting on the EVGA Dark w/4930 and DDR3 2400 Memory 2014/09/24 10:22:45 (permalink)
    You're welcome, happy to help.
     
    Post back if you have any other questions.  If I can't answer them, maybe someone else here can assist...


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Like help with Overclock setting on the EVGA Dark w/4930 and DDR3 2400 Memory 2014/09/25 07:20:02 (permalink)
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    You're welcome, happy to help.
     
    Post back if you have any other questions.  If I can't answer them, maybe someone else here can assist...


    bdary,
       I actually wrote a reply to this but it disappeared. I can not get WIn 8 to load so I am going to try WIN 7 Ultimate today. I know it has to do with the CSM setting but I can't find anything in the forum to help out with it.

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    Re: Like help with Overclock setting on the EVGA Dark w/4930 and DDR3 2400 Memory 2014/09/25 11:24:57 (permalink)
    I don't know if this will help you, but here is my CSM page I currently use.  Keep in mind that I do not use a UEFI BIOs like you might use with Win8/8.1.  I'm running Win7 64bit.
     
    I also do not use any of the Marvelle sata ports which is why I have "Launch Storage OpRom policy" set to "Do not launch".  This allows for a slightly faster boot time if not using the Marvelle ports.
     



     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Like help with Overclock setting on the EVGA Dark w/4930 and DDR3 2400 Memory 2014/09/26 14:52:16 (permalink)
    bdary,
       I have been reading your post and you have done wonders. I have been on the phone with Tech support for the last 9 days and because ththe worry of an overclock they really cant help to much. They do give great advice but it isn't getting me the answers I need.
      I am going to give you a break down and hope it dosen't bother you to much and I will try to use proper Grammar as I have been slammed for this once before. Hey I kill people for a living with a gun not paper.
    I have the EVGA Dark Board the has no Blue tooth, It came with 2.12 Bios on it and I put 2.11 and I think I may put 2.10 as this thing has some wierd voltage issues.
    4930 pulled it out of my Asus Black that I owend for 2 months It had a bad NIC, I had it clocked at 44 w/1.302v with offset +0.020 offset that would take it up to 1.346v under full load.
    Gskill RipJaws Z 2400MHZ Mem/ 4x4GB / 11,11,11,31,2n
    2 GTX OC 780 3GB Water Cooled Video cards , and one GTX TI 750 4 GB card for PhsX
    HT Omega Ecarlo Sound Card
    2 OCZ Vertex 460 240gb on the Intel 6gb Controller and a 1TB WD 64 HD on the Intel and Blue Ray DVD RW on the 3GB Intel controler, as for the Marvel I have 2 Intel 540 120gb in RIAD 0, and 2 WD Raptor 240's in Raid 1
    The system has two 360 Fat Rads 1 loop just for the CPU  and the other for my Videocards and the Chipset and VRM thanks to Nate. My display is a Samsung 4k 28" and I am using the display port. The PSU is a 1300 Supernova. Now that is the system.
         Here is what I am seeing: Using the Probe-IT First thing I do is using my multimeter and plug into the Dimm leads i type in 1.65v and restart with vdroop on when she comes on line the reading onthe bios screen says 1.651 but the multi meter shows 1.642 I have to type in 1.675 for bank 1-4 to get 1.651 on the multi meter to read bank 5-8 you plug your leads into the PCH leads and I had to type in 1.673 to get 1.652. 
         This is where I really need your help the VICCO, the board reads 1.247 and the multi meter is getting 1.202 but I really don't know what a good setting is. With the p67 we use to use 1.20 as a max. and as for the VSA or the VCCSA The board reads close to the VICCO about 1.268 but the multimeter is getting .768 and I can not get that to go up or down.and I am looking for a good seting to start with and you gave that to me already 1.10 -1.20.
     I am think of trying you Bclock trick but I was wondering what program you were using to do that in wndows. Please feel free to PM me.
     

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    Re: Like help with Overclock setting on the EVGA Dark w/4930 and DDR3 2400 Memory 2014/09/26 15:50:48 (permalink)
    Intel recommends that VSA & VCCIO voltage be kept close to each other.  In the case of using just your multiplier to OC, the VCCIO isn't as important as it is when OC'ing using the Bclk.  That said, what I would do in your case is, once you find your stable OC, vcore & VSA voltage wise, just set your VCCIO to match your VSA.  In other words, if you end up needing say 1.185v of VSA, set your VCCIO at 1.185v as well.  That's the simplest.  I find "Auto" to not work to well in some cases with those two voltages.
     
    As far as you OC'ing with the bclk, there really isn't much of a need with a fully unlocked CPU unless you wanted to try and run some odd frequency on your ram.  But if you did want try it out, here's a quide.  >>  http://forums.evga.com/tm.aspx?m=2022631
     


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Like help with Overclock setting on the EVGA Dark w/4930 and DDR3 2400 Memory 2014/09/26 16:23:59 (permalink)
    I really like the guide. I am downloading Eleet once again. That program has giving me so many heart aches over the years. I sure hope they have the bugs worked out. Did you see where I used the multi meter and it read the VSA from the Probe it leads  two different sets as .786 no matter what I set it at. I think its attached to some fringing little piece of dust in there somewhere.
     
    My sig is all wrong and I do intend to fix it if I can get this thing doing something. I will set the VSA to auto as well. I really appreciate your help.
     
     
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    Re: Like help with Overclock setting on the EVGA Dark w/4930 and DDR3 2400 Memory 2014/09/26 16:43:29 (permalink)
    i have the vsa set to auto no over clock but I put some voltage to the cpu and using the probe-it I and getting .589v on the VSA leads right now.

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    Re: Like help with Overclock setting on the EVGA Dark w/4930 and DDR3 2400 Memory 2014/09/26 20:30:24 (permalink)
    Well I finally got somewhere, these voltages are so off on this board it is unbelievable but once you figure that out and just use the multi meter and the suggestions from some great people you get somewhere. Stock clocks were impossible as well.
    I am at a comfortable 42 for now and I have the Vcore set to 1.340 but it actually is 1.298v – 1.310v. and the VSC is set at 1.50 and it say it is at 1.57 but I have no way of know what it is because this board is a mess and the VICCO is set to 1.150 and this is verified 1.42, the Mem banks 1-4 are set at 1.677 to get 1.651v and banks 5-8 set to 1.657 to get 1.652 and verified using the PCH Probe=it leads since that header is a mess. I am not sure is a BIOS fix can mend this but I got it through a Intel Burn Test  and I will give the Real Bench a try later but right now two hours of Prime 64.

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    Re: Like help with Overclock setting on the EVGA Dark w/4930 and DDR3 2400 Memory 2014/09/27 06:20:19 (permalink)
    It does sound like you're on the right track...
     
    I have found some of the voltages to be off as well.  Personally, I go by the temps (CPU socket, cores, VRM, etc...).  I use Aida64 to monitor things and use the voltage readings strictly as a quide.  I use just enough voltage to run stable and as long as the temps are good, I don't worry much about what the voltages are showing.
     
    Forgot to mention.  I set both VSA & VCCIO voltages manually.  I find that "Auto" doesn't work right under certain circumstances.
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    Re: Like help with Overclock setting on the EVGA Dark w/4930 and DDR3 2400 Memory 2014/09/27 10:43:50 (permalink)
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    It does sound like you're on the right track...
     
    I have found some of the voltages to be off as well.  Personally, I go by the temps (CPU socket, cores, VRM, etc...).  I use Aida64 to monitor things and use the voltage readings strictly as a quide.  I use just enough voltage to run stable and as long as the temps are good, I don't worry much about what the voltages are showing.
     
    Forgot to mention.  I set both VSA & VCCIO voltages manually.  I find that "Auto" doesn't work right under certain circumstances.


    Great info I will be looking up Aida64 here in a moment. It took all day but I have 42 to stable for now using 1.293 vcore w/vdroop board say 1.340, and I started out at 1.20 w/o vdrood for both VSA and VICCO and went down tell she couldn't handle this happened with board setting at 1.60 I came up to 1.85 ran Real Bench 3 passes then Intel burn 10 passes and Prime all night long and not a single issue. When I put the multi meter on the VICCO it is actually at 1.135 VSA is crazy it give me .396. I had a blind China Man layout my pcb.

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    Re: Like help with Overclock setting on the EVGA Dark w/4930 and DDR3 2400 Memory 2014/09/27 11:10:50 (permalink)
    Done testing, my second Supernova just turned into a super nova. I am taking this board out putting the replacement ASUS board in and refunding the power supply going outside and smashing this board with a hammer. It has taken them a week to clear the board I sent back here last and I need that done so I can get the replacement for the GTX 580 I have sent to me since they broke up my 580 SLI I had in my wife’s computer and I know why they are dragging their feet because the warranty is close to ending on it but not that close. I had my Asus Rampage IV Black up and running on stock setting in a few hours this one has taken a week. Just after I get about everything loaded the power supply trips and no reset. I just hope it didn't hurt anything else. Heck I am not using all the 6 SATA Plugs I have to use the two Molex because they are only thing long enough to provide power to the SATA.
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    Re: Like help with Overclock setting on the EVGA Dark w/4930 and DDR3 2400 Memory 2014/09/27 12:15:50 (permalink)
    Sorry to hear about all your issue's.  All my EVGA hardware has been very reliable (knock wood).  Been running daily on this setup for just over a year now without a hiccup.
     
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    Re: Like help with Overclock setting on the EVGA Dark w/4930 and DDR3 2400 Memory 2014/09/27 22:30:08 (permalink)
    I am hoping it is the PSU, i ordered a 1200 Cooler Master Platinum PSU because my old one is still kicking and was doing the a great job but 2years old I felt I could just use it as a test chicken. As for the Super Nova 1300 they are almost giving them away because they are getting returned as fast as they are selling them at $169.00 plus tax, something has changed in the build process for this many to go bad. According to the PSU Calculator on Extreme I need 1045 watts max and this 1200 should be the ticket and I have head room for three 980’s.
          I just never been so disappointed 5 boards now and three x79 Classifieds and I can put my Asus RIVE or Black in and go to town, the only issue was the NIC on my Black went out. I just want to see that old EVGA Quality.  

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    Re: Like help with Overclock setting on the EVGA Dark w/4930 and DDR3 2400 Memory 2014/10/03 10:37:57 (permalink)
    I have cooled off since the meltdown. The board is fine but my CPU is fried. I put it in my ASUS Black Board and no workie. I am using a 3930 for now and I have a new 4930 coming my way. I am waiting on a Coolermaster V1200 P to come in today and the CPU. I have the new Asus Black installed just waiting on new parts. Thanks for your help bdary.
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    Re: Like help with Overclock setting on the EVGA Dark w/4930 and DDR3 2400 Memory 2014/10/03 12:31:38 (permalink)
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    I have cooled off since the meltdown. The board is fine but my CPU is fried. I put it in my ASUS Black Board and no workie. I am using a 3930 for now and I have a new 4930 coming my way. I am waiting on a Coolermaster V1200 P to come in today and the CPU. I have the new Asus Black installed just waiting on new parts. Thanks for your help bdary.
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