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2014/09/21 15:19:45 (permalink)
I have an opportunity to buy two of the X5680's brand new for about $350 each excluding shipping and duty fees into Canada, as well as a brand new EVGA SR2 for $350. Total is $1050 CDN.

I'm a heavy chess enthusiast when it comes to correspondence chess at least and I'm looking for something that will be a decent improvement over my 3930K. I am considering this setup because I can afford it however, I'm willing to fork out a bit more if it makes more sense to get a significantly better system than my current i7-3930K that's overclocked to 4.7 GHz. I currently get 18,500 kN/s on the 3930K @ 4.7 GHz and would like something that'll give me at least 28,500+ kN/s (see link below). Now I can't afford a Xeon E5-2697 v2 or anything so don't be suggesting something like that. This is why I'm thinking of getting two X5680 and the SR2 because if I can get the X5860's to run at 4.3+ GHz then it should be an improvement over my 3930K @ 4.7 GHz (again, see link at bottom of page).
 
There is also a fully built used system with this mobo and two X5650's in them running at 4 GHz each that I could buy from someone who's selling it. 1200W PSU, Lian Li case, 24GB ram and an SSD is also included. Price is $1300 CDN. I like the SR2 because it can be overclocked and am hoping to avoid all the problems people have with the SR2's by getting the correct ram and hopefully no faulty items. If I get the used one I can check before buying that it's good at 4 GHz but I'm not sure if it'll be worth the upgrade over my 3930K when it comes to chess.
 
Is there something better that I can buy nowadays that's significantly faster than the above for about the same money or a little more? It's for 24x7 use and all it'll do is look for the best move :-)
  
Check out the link below. It'll give you an idea of what to expect from different cpu's. The 5680's there look in good shape when overclocked to 4.5 GHz but I'm not sure I can get those if I was to buy two new X5680's and the SR2. I was planning on using H100i coolers. 4.3GHz and above would probably make me happy enough. 
The Step code of the X5680's are both SLBV5.
 
sites.google.com/site/computerschess/benchmarks/fritz-chess-benchmarks
post edited by yorkman - 2014/09/21 20:15:12

Mobo: Evga SR-2 A58 Bios
Processor: 2x Intel Xeon X5670 @ 4.35 GHz w/out turbo (198*22) @ 1.35625*2 vCore.
Ram: Corsair Dominator GT PC-16000 (2000 MHz) 9-10-9-27 @ 1.60V
Cooling: 2x Cooler Master 240 
Psu: Seasonic Platinum 1000W 
Case: Corsair Obsidian 900d
Videocard: el cheapo PCI-E gpu
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/22 16:18:47 (permalink)
    A 4.1 over-clock is probably a sure bet 24/7 anything higher just depends on the chips you end up with. If you could do a  geekbench 3  benchmark with your current system and post the results I could tell you what to expect from a dual xeon sr-2 system.

    EVGA Sr-2 w58 bios
    xeon x5690 x 2
    evga GTX 780 ti Kingpins  x4 sli
    clocked on H20 to 4.3
    48 gig Corsair 1600 ram
    Geekbench 34475 Windows 8.1 x64
    Geekbench 36660 Linux Generic Kernel x64
    3Dmark 11 Performance  26393  #1 x5690 Record
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/22 18:16:50 (permalink)
    Except I'm not really interested in that benchmark. All I care is to see what speed I'd get with the chess engines in comparison to the link I posted above (at the bottom).
    You don't have 2x5680 but you do have 2x5690 which is almost the same cpu except yours is slightly higher clock speed. I guess it won't matter if you're running at 4.1 GHz, you can still do the test for me. Please download and run this tool. No need to install anything. You may not be able to set the number of processors (cores) so if that's the case just click START and give me a screenshot or the speeds shown to you after it runs for about a minute.
     
    Here's the download link for the tool:
     
    Also, you could run the geekbench 3 benchmark and I'll do the same after with my 3930K. Thanks.

    Mobo: Evga SR-2 A58 Bios
    Processor: 2x Intel Xeon X5670 @ 4.35 GHz w/out turbo (198*22) @ 1.35625*2 vCore.
    Ram: Corsair Dominator GT PC-16000 (2000 MHz) 9-10-9-27 @ 1.60V
    Cooling: 2x Cooler Master 240 
    Psu: Seasonic Platinum 1000W 
    Case: Corsair Obsidian 900d
    Videocard: el cheapo PCI-E gpu
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/22 18:43:51 (permalink)
    Here is a screen with the 8 detected processors.

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    EVGA Sr-2 w58 bios
    xeon x5690 x 2
    evga GTX 780 ti Kingpins  x4 sli
    clocked on H20 to 4.3
    48 gig Corsair 1600 ram
    Geekbench 34475 Windows 8.1 x64
    Geekbench 36660 Linux Generic Kernel x64
    3Dmark 11 Performance  26393  #1 x5690 Record
    3Dmark Fire Strike Extreme  14775
    3Dmark Fire Strike Ultra     10953
    3dmark Fire Strike   25315
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/22 18:48:27 (permalink)
    Thanks very much. I don't suppose you're able to correct the # of processors? That speed is very low...I get about 18,500 kN/s on my 3930K @ 4.7 GHz. But I'm guessing it's probably because it's not detecting the correct # of cores.
     
    Ahh, I just noticed your geekbench scores in your signature so I'll run that on my 3930K and see what I get. Thanks.

    Mobo: Evga SR-2 A58 Bios
    Processor: 2x Intel Xeon X5670 @ 4.35 GHz w/out turbo (198*22) @ 1.35625*2 vCore.
    Ram: Corsair Dominator GT PC-16000 (2000 MHz) 9-10-9-27 @ 1.60V
    Cooling: 2x Cooler Master 240 
    Psu: Seasonic Platinum 1000W 
    Case: Corsair Obsidian 900d
    Videocard: el cheapo PCI-E gpu
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/22 18:53:15 (permalink)
    If I choose 6 cores the numbers start to rise 17176.
     

    EVGA Sr-2 w58 bios
    xeon x5690 x 2
    evga GTX 780 ti Kingpins  x4 sli
    clocked on H20 to 4.3
    48 gig Corsair 1600 ram
    Geekbench 34475 Windows 8.1 x64
    Geekbench 36660 Linux Generic Kernel x64
    3Dmark 11 Performance  26393  #1 x5690 Record
    3Dmark Fire Strike Extreme  14775
    3Dmark Fire Strike Ultra     10953
    3dmark Fire Strike   25315
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/22 18:57:42 (permalink)
    That's weird. Can you choose 2x6=12 cores?

    Mobo: Evga SR-2 A58 Bios
    Processor: 2x Intel Xeon X5670 @ 4.35 GHz w/out turbo (198*22) @ 1.35625*2 vCore.
    Ram: Corsair Dominator GT PC-16000 (2000 MHz) 9-10-9-27 @ 1.60V
    Cooling: 2x Cooler Master 240 
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/22 19:12:19 (permalink)
    2 logical processors drops to 4k, 6 gets the highest for me. so that benchmark version 4.2 is optimized for older cpu's.

    EVGA Sr-2 w58 bios
    xeon x5690 x 2
    evga GTX 780 ti Kingpins  x4 sli
    clocked on H20 to 4.3
    48 gig Corsair 1600 ram
    Geekbench 34475 Windows 8.1 x64
    Geekbench 36660 Linux Generic Kernel x64
    3Dmark 11 Performance  26393  #1 x5690 Record
    3Dmark Fire Strike Extreme  14775
    3Dmark Fire Strike Ultra     10953
    3dmark Fire Strike   25315
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/23 06:37:36 (permalink)
    Well I ran the Geekbench 3 benchmark which is version 3.2 (Pro) and therefore it allowed me to run it in 64bit mode and I got:

    Geekbench Score


    3903
    Single-Core Score

    18964
    Multi-Core Score

    SectionDescriptionSingle-CoreMulti-CoreIntegerProcessor integer performance406621624Floating PointProcessor floating point performance397023667MemoryMemory performance34474240
     
    Not sure what you got for the 3 multi-core scores but the 18964 is no comparison to yours.
     
    I then ran the 32bit benchmark and got:
     

    Geekbench Score


    3741
    Single-Core Score

    18006
    Multi-Core Score

    SectionDescriptionSingle-CoreMulti-CoreIntegerProcessor integer performance378520574Floating PointProcessor floating point performance377522384MemoryMemory performance35884118Geekbench 3.2.0 Tryout for Windows x86 (32-bit)
     

    System Information


     System manufacturer System Product NameOperating SystemMicrosoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit)ModelSystem manufacturer System Product NameMotherboardASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. P9X79 PROProcessorIntel Core i7-3930K @ 3.17 GHz
    1 Processor, 6 Cores
     
    (It pasted and looked fine but when I submitted the post the formatting got messed up.)
     
    It doesn't detect the correct speed though showing 3.17 GHz when the system is running at 4.7 Ghz at full load. I wonder if you got such a high score because of 48GB of ram compared to my 16 GB.
     
    Still, I wonder what I'd actually get when running chess engines. Do you have time to install a small app. and engine so I can see what I'd get if I was to upgrade to 2x X5680's on SR-2? It's a just a chess gui called ARENA and then you simply install a chess engine like Stockfish or Houdini. When you run that you'll see the search speed...like 11,000 kN/s. I can help you out with that if necessary but it's really simple.
     
    This is the primary reason for the upgrade and 24x7 operation. While the benchmark scores are no comparison it could be a different story when using a chess engine which uses your system at full load, using all cores. In fact, it will use everything you can throw at it. Let me know and I'll give you the two links of what you'd need to download and install. This would really help me decide if I should order it or not.
     
    Btw, is your 48 GB ram ECC?
    post edited by yorkman - 2014/09/23 06:49:55

    Mobo: Evga SR-2 A58 Bios
    Processor: 2x Intel Xeon X5670 @ 4.35 GHz w/out turbo (198*22) @ 1.35625*2 vCore.
    Ram: Corsair Dominator GT PC-16000 (2000 MHz) 9-10-9-27 @ 1.60V
    Cooling: 2x Cooler Master 240 
    Psu: Seasonic Platinum 1000W 
    Case: Corsair Obsidian 900d
    Videocard: el cheapo PCI-E gpu
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/24 22:02:43 (permalink)
    @cuda-dude: I forgot to tell you for that benchmark, disable HT. The speed should be much higher now. What do you get?

    Mobo: Evga SR-2 A58 Bios
    Processor: 2x Intel Xeon X5670 @ 4.35 GHz w/out turbo (198*22) @ 1.35625*2 vCore.
    Ram: Corsair Dominator GT PC-16000 (2000 MHz) 9-10-9-27 @ 1.60V
    Cooling: 2x Cooler Master 240 
    Psu: Seasonic Platinum 1000W 
    Case: Corsair Obsidian 900d
    Videocard: el cheapo PCI-E gpu
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/25 05:14:54 (permalink)
    With HT disabled now using the max 8 processors  found,  the score is 20772

    EVGA Sr-2 w58 bios
    xeon x5690 x 2
    evga GTX 780 ti Kingpins  x4 sli
    clocked on H20 to 4.3
    48 gig Corsair 1600 ram
    Geekbench 34475 Windows 8.1 x64
    Geekbench 36660 Linux Generic Kernel x64
    3Dmark 11 Performance  26393  #1 x5690 Record
    3Dmark Fire Strike Extreme  14775
    3Dmark Fire Strike Ultra     10953
    3dmark Fire Strike   25315
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/25 05:45:49 (permalink)
    Also I don't have time right now to clock my system up which would improve the scores, my system is pretty stable at 4.3 I run at 4.1 because my temps are down at 25-32c. Also at 4.1 my memory is running at 800 where it should be and my system runs smooth when I go past 4.1 I have to set the memory divider and my ram drops off in performance and I have to go to 4.3 to 4.5 to get it back near it's rated speed. Then it becomes unstable as one of my cpu's is better than the other. One cpu needs lots of volts to run at 4.3 and the other does 4.5 on moderate voltage, I have just not felt like spending $400 to maybe get another cpu as good as my best one.
     

    EVGA Sr-2 w58 bios
    xeon x5690 x 2
    evga GTX 780 ti Kingpins  x4 sli
    clocked on H20 to 4.3
    48 gig Corsair 1600 ram
    Geekbench 34475 Windows 8.1 x64
    Geekbench 36660 Linux Generic Kernel x64
    3Dmark 11 Performance  26393  #1 x5690 Record
    3Dmark Fire Strike Extreme  14775
    3Dmark Fire Strike Ultra     10953
    3dmark Fire Strike   25315
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/25 05:47:15 (permalink)
    Thanks. That's almost exactly the same speed as someone else got who's using 24 GB of ram and 2x X5650's matching cpu's.
    I appreciate you running it for me once more. It's decision time now and that didn't make it any easier. Do you think $1300 (CDN) for a used entire system is a good deal? Comes with SR2 mobo, LIan Lin V2120 case, 24 GB ram, Corsair AX1200W PSU, GTX 260 video card, 1TB hdd, 60 GB OCZ Vertex 2 SSD and two ThermalRight Ultra Extremes with stock fans and the two x5650's of course (running at 200 blck, 4 GHz).
     
    I'm debating between that and a totally new system with the SR2 and 2x X5680's but these two items alone will cost me about $1050 after shipping. Of course I don't care for the video card or the two cheap drives. But for another $250 when compared to the new system, I'm also getting the Lian Li case, PSU, 24 GB ram and GTX 260 so I think it's worth it. What do you think?
     
    How many volts do your cpu's run at to get the stable 4.1 GHz?
    post edited by yorkman - 2014/09/25 05:49:26

    Mobo: Evga SR-2 A58 Bios
    Processor: 2x Intel Xeon X5670 @ 4.35 GHz w/out turbo (198*22) @ 1.35625*2 vCore.
    Ram: Corsair Dominator GT PC-16000 (2000 MHz) 9-10-9-27 @ 1.60V
    Cooling: 2x Cooler Master 240 
    Psu: Seasonic Platinum 1000W 
    Case: Corsair Obsidian 900d
    Videocard: el cheapo PCI-E gpu
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/25 05:55:28 (permalink)
    Main thing is to get your hands on a good working SR-2, the xeon prices are falling right now x5690's on ebay are at $383.00 so $1300 for a running complete system that you can upgrade the xeon's on when they come around for a good price is a great start. I follow  the prices pretty close and $400-$800 depending on having the backplate and all accessories is the current board price right now.

    EVGA Sr-2 w58 bios
    xeon x5690 x 2
    evga GTX 780 ti Kingpins  x4 sli
    clocked on H20 to 4.3
    48 gig Corsair 1600 ram
    Geekbench 34475 Windows 8.1 x64
    Geekbench 36660 Linux Generic Kernel x64
    3Dmark 11 Performance  26393  #1 x5690 Record
    3Dmark Fire Strike Extreme  14775
    3Dmark Fire Strike Ultra     10953
    3dmark Fire Strike   25315
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/25 05:56:31 (permalink)
    oh and volts at 4.1 are 1.3
     

    EVGA Sr-2 w58 bios
    xeon x5690 x 2
    evga GTX 780 ti Kingpins  x4 sli
    clocked on H20 to 4.3
    48 gig Corsair 1600 ram
    Geekbench 34475 Windows 8.1 x64
    Geekbench 36660 Linux Generic Kernel x64
    3Dmark 11 Performance  26393  #1 x5690 Record
    3Dmark Fire Strike Extreme  14775
    3Dmark Fire Strike Ultra     10953
    3dmark Fire Strike   25315
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/25 06:08:57 (permalink)
    I just noticed your sig. says E5690 x2...is that what you have or is it a typo and should be X5690 x2? And $400-800 is just the SR2 you're talking about right? I think on the new system the SR2 doesn't mention the backplate in the description so I guess I wouldn't get one. Do I really need one?
     
    I'm sure the used system has it as it's a ready to go system. Oh, and if you're getting almost the same benchmark as the used system then I don't think upgrading from X5650 to X5690 makes any sense. What's the fastest cpus I could put in there? I doubt it'll be significantly faster and definitely won't justify the minor little speed boost for another $800 maybe (for 2x cpu).

    Mobo: Evga SR-2 A58 Bios
    Processor: 2x Intel Xeon X5670 @ 4.35 GHz w/out turbo (198*22) @ 1.35625*2 vCore.
    Ram: Corsair Dominator GT PC-16000 (2000 MHz) 9-10-9-27 @ 1.60V
    Cooling: 2x Cooler Master 240 
    Psu: Seasonic Platinum 1000W 
    Case: Corsair Obsidian 900d
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/25 06:19:17 (permalink)
    Yea old typo I had e5645 cpu's. My old cpu's did 4.1 to 4.3 but where really volted up to do so and the temps where high of course. I upgraded to get the higher  multiplier to reduce the blck needed to get to 4.1 on up.

    EVGA Sr-2 w58 bios
    xeon x5690 x 2
    evga GTX 780 ti Kingpins  x4 sli
    clocked on H20 to 4.3
    48 gig Corsair 1600 ram
    Geekbench 34475 Windows 8.1 x64
    Geekbench 36660 Linux Generic Kernel x64
    3Dmark 11 Performance  26393  #1 x5690 Record
    3Dmark Fire Strike Extreme  14775
    3Dmark Fire Strike Ultra     10953
    3dmark Fire Strike   25315
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/25 06:32:45 (permalink)
    Then I guess $1300 for that used system is pretty good right?

    I was thinking, if I was to upgrade the two air heatsinks I mentioned to say H100i or something, would I get much of an improvement in OC? Probably not much eh, maybe go from 4GHz to 4.1Ghz?

    Mobo: Evga SR-2 A58 Bios
    Processor: 2x Intel Xeon X5670 @ 4.35 GHz w/out turbo (198*22) @ 1.35625*2 vCore.
    Ram: Corsair Dominator GT PC-16000 (2000 MHz) 9-10-9-27 @ 1.60V
    Cooling: 2x Cooler Master 240 
    Psu: Seasonic Platinum 1000W 
    Case: Corsair Obsidian 900d
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/25 06:43:52 (permalink)
    $1300 sounds fine your getting a big power supply and a extra large case these things add up on a build. as to going 4-4.1 you need to run the system under a benchmark and see what the temps are on the cpu's then make the decision if it's worth it to you for the cost, heck maybe 4 is all you will get but at least it will be cooler and quieter.

    EVGA Sr-2 w58 bios
    xeon x5690 x 2
    evga GTX 780 ti Kingpins  x4 sli
    clocked on H20 to 4.3
    48 gig Corsair 1600 ram
    Geekbench 34475 Windows 8.1 x64
    Geekbench 36660 Linux Generic Kernel x64
    3Dmark 11 Performance  26393  #1 x5690 Record
    3Dmark Fire Strike Extreme  14775
    3Dmark Fire Strike Ultra     10953
    3dmark Fire Strike   25315
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/25 07:11:46 (permalink)
    What would be normal temps if I was to stress test it for a few mins (Prime95)? This'll be 24x7 operation so also let me know what temps I should not going beyond. Is 75C normal and OK under 100% load, with maybe 80C being the max?

    Mobo: Evga SR-2 A58 Bios
    Processor: 2x Intel Xeon X5670 @ 4.35 GHz w/out turbo (198*22) @ 1.35625*2 vCore.
    Ram: Corsair Dominator GT PC-16000 (2000 MHz) 9-10-9-27 @ 1.60V
    Cooling: 2x Cooler Master 240 
    Psu: Seasonic Platinum 1000W 
    Case: Corsair Obsidian 900d
    Videocard: el cheapo PCI-E gpu
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/25 08:25:05 (permalink)
    1300$ is a veri good price for a compleet sr-2 system, but the bord whit the x5680's is also good priced.
    And if i where you,i go for the bord whit the x5680 cpu's
    My x5690 @ 4.6 whit vcore @ 1.411 runs around the 80c while running cinebench
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/25 09:06:38 (permalink)
    Well the other system I have to order and then build and after all is said and done I think that'll cost me much more as the $1050 means I only get the 2 x5680's and sr-2. I'd still have to buy a case, ram, video card and 2 coolers. I'm pretty sure that'll be much more than $1300...probably closer to around $2200. Of course it'd be a new system with "slightly" faster cpus that may or may not overclock well...and anything under 4.2 GHz isn't all that impressive as I'd get with the used 4 GHz system. I think the used system makes more sense. Of course if the x5680's would give me significantly better performance it'd then be worth it.

    Mobo: Evga SR-2 A58 Bios
    Processor: 2x Intel Xeon X5670 @ 4.35 GHz w/out turbo (198*22) @ 1.35625*2 vCore.
    Ram: Corsair Dominator GT PC-16000 (2000 MHz) 9-10-9-27 @ 1.60V
    Cooling: 2x Cooler Master 240 
    Psu: Seasonic Platinum 1000W 
    Case: Corsair Obsidian 900d
    Videocard: el cheapo PCI-E gpu
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/27 15:22:50 (permalink)
    I just finished the first round of overclocking with a pair of X5675s.
     
    At 1.37V i can run turbo 25x176 stable- an entire night or intel burt test maximum. This nets me 24k at fritz bench and 22k at stockfishbench. Lowering memory timings to 8-8-8-20 made me surpass the 5960X on fritzbenchmark, but does not helps stockfishbench.
     
    when i started the build we did not had the numbers on 5960X overclock. turns out 4.4GHz is about is high is it will go, and stability is still an issue. But the new Intel CPU benchs like hell, and 8 cores at 4.4Ghz are more or less equal to my SR-2 with 12 cores at 4.4GHz for chess training. Of course as chess engines mature and the code is optimized for higher core counts the SR-2 stretch its legs.
     
    i am still at odds with 96GB DDR3 on my SR-2, only managed to run 48GB, but using turbo bins was essential. Another relevant feature that i am still trying to figure out is undervolting. E-LEET can set higher voltages for the turbo bins while i boot with a much lower voltage. the amount of power tweaking i can do with the SR-2 is amazing.
     
    Knowing the numbers today, i would not have build my SR2:
     
    -MOBO TOO BIG REQUIRES SPECIAL CASE
    -PITA to get more than 48GB to work
    -Massive power draw requires expensive PSU
    -very slow SATA, even with an SSD installed.
    -No USB3.0 on mobo for front panel, i must reach behind for USB 3.0
    -Very hot CPUs in tandem require you to go water cooling or run the mobo naked on horizontal bench.
     
    The PROs:
    -X5650s are very cheap and give you at 90% of the 5960X numbers. I payed USD400 for a pair of X5675s, but USD150 for a pair of X5650s sounds smarter.
    -DDR3 is easier to find than DDR4, and in my country ECC DDR3 is very cheap. i payed USD80 for each 8GB stick 
    -SR2 is still the KING of chess machines:


     

    EVGA SR2
    2x Xeon X5675 25x187MHz @ 1.37V
    6x 8GB ECC DDR3
     
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/27 18:16:21 (permalink)
    Very nice and i like what I see in terms of the numbers however I doubt I'll be lucky enough to hit 4.6 or 4.75 GHz on the SR2 with 2x5650's or 2x5680's. Yes, the 5650's are very cheap but I still have to spend $350 for a new SR-2, another maybe $200 for a PSU, $400 for a case that supports the SR-2 (thinking Obsidian 900d) and ram...I don't know how much but I'm guessing $350 for 16 GB. Plus about $200 for used 5650's after shipping and customs. That totals $1300. Then I still need 2x coolers...though I'd probably use one of my used H100i's and then buy one new one for $130 giving me a total cost of $1430...and again, I'd probably have to be very lucky to hit 4.5 GHz stable 24x7...and likely only 4 or 4.1 GHz is expected.
     
    You got good results because of your high overclock but I can't expect to get anywhere near those numbers since I'm not likely to be as lucky overclocking my used 5650's or 5680's that high. Then comes the huge power draw like you mentioned, costing me more every month when my electricity bill comes in.
     
    So I think the cheapest and safest for the most performance would be a 5960X. Only one cpu and performance is nearly that of 2x X5680 with an SR-2.
     
    By the way, chess engines nowadays will use up as many cores as are available. The Fritz benchmark may not be that way but stockfish, houdini, komodo they all will use whatever cores you have. I'm surprised you were able to get 12 cpu's detected with the fritz benchmark. Two people I asked to run it both told me only 8 are detected for them. What version is that?
     
    My goal is to get the kind of numbers you got for the cheapest and most likely success at succeeding at reaching this goal. I'd be very happy with 23,000 kN/s using Stockfish as I only get about 11,000 with my 3930K at 4.70 GHz. With Houdini 4 I get about 20,000 kN/s.
     
    So now I'm not sure which way I should proceed. 5960X still seems the best likely-hood of getting close to that 23,000 if I can OC it to 4.40 GHz at the lowest price....but I've always kind of wanted my first XEON system so I'd kind of prefer to get that instead. I just don't like the extra cost involved and that it's pretty hard to OC them with the SR-2. Double the coolers too...if I knew I'd get stable 4.50 GHz and near the same numbers as you posted above I'd go for it. Unfortunately I usually struggle when it comes to high overclocks...eventually I'll get a reasonable OC that I'm happy though. But even with my 3930K, usually stable 24x7, I still get black screens every now and then if I run the engine for over 12 hrs at one position but that's rare. I could lower the OC but I just don't like the sound of 4.50 GHz :-)
     
    Like I said...I could go with the $1300 used 2x X5650 system that's all built and comes complete with case, psu, 24 GB ram but he's only running it at 4 GHz which leads me to believe he can't get much higher than that, stable at least.  What would you do? Highest kN/s is the ultimate goal...and I'd like to keep the cost around $1500 CDN.

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    Processor: 2x Intel Xeon X5670 @ 4.35 GHz w/out turbo (198*22) @ 1.35625*2 vCore.
    Ram: Corsair Dominator GT PC-16000 (2000 MHz) 9-10-9-27 @ 1.60V
    Cooling: 2x Cooler Master 240 
    Psu: Seasonic Platinum 1000W 
    Case: Corsair Obsidian 900d
    Videocard: el cheapo PCI-E gpu
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/27 21:23:39 (permalink)
    This forum did not showed my screenshots as planned, try the SR2 forum on hardocp as i can not post links here for some obscure rule
     
    X5680 Turboes to 26x/27x, X5675 Turboes to 25x/26x. So using the undervolt stock/ overvolt turbos strategy, a X5680 is easier to OC than a X5675.
    Those numbers where reached in Brazil, with a 34ºC ambient temp. Expect a much easier time in Canada
     
    There are 3 cheap cases that  can handle a SR2 better than a 900d: Enermax Fulmo GT, Xygmatek Elysium and Aerocool Strike X ST- i used the last one. They cost USD 150-220. Size matters with the SR2 and those are the largest on the price point.
    I used a Kraken X40 and a Nepton 280L. On retrospective both choices where sub-optimal: the Nepton is too big and i lost one important feature of the cases: the ability to install 2 ATX PSUs. The Kraken uses the flimsy Asetek mounting systems, that is incompatible with Indigo Extreme TIM. I would suggest Corsairs H75 for those not using Indigo Extreme, or the smaller Nepton 140XL. Indigo Extrem was a no-brainer for me: USD10 for 2ºC lower temps.
     
    While newer chess engines use more cores, truth is core count scaling is still very bad. Scaling above 16 cores is almost negligible:
     bad core count scaling was one the reasons why i choose the Sr2 and not a 4p Opteron build.
     
    While i do complain about power, my chess build runs on a 750w PSU without a hiccup. And the space the Nepton 280L left is enough for a 600w SFX PSU if i need that in the future.
    One point to remember is that X5680 and X5690 prices will go down in the near future, so a pair of X5650s now for $150 will get you going for quite a while, enough for you to upgrade for a 26x/27x CPU in the future. This is much easier to justify than my situation, where i sinked $400 on a pair of 25x CPus
    post edited by geok1ng - 2014/09/27 21:29:16

    EVGA SR2
    2x Xeon X5675 25x187MHz @ 1.37V
    6x 8GB ECC DDR3
     
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/28 00:49:55 (permalink)
    Why would you need two PSU's in a case? How does that benefit OC'ing, or is it for a different purpose?
     
    I hear what you're saying about core scaling. I don't really know about it but I can imagine it could be an issue. You seem to really like the SR-2 however you haven't really answered my previous post about successfully OC'ing the 5680's and/or 5960X . You also say you wouldn't go for the SR2 now that you know what you know but you also don't say that you'd take the 5960X system over it so I'm still confused.
     
    Also, the H100i, while it doesn't cool as well as the Nepton 280L you recommend, according to user comments and reviews it's also louder...and I already think the H100i's are loud...especially since it's in my bedroom.
     
    So straight out, do you recommend the SR2 with two OC'd 5680's (@ hopefully 4.5 GHz) and two Nepton's 280L as the ultimate chess pc? Or go for the cheaper solution that's almost the same performance and go with the 5960X? Or is there something else even better that doesn't cost much more bit still gives you better performance (in case I missed it through my research so far)?
    post edited by yorkman - 2014/09/28 00:54:52

    Mobo: Evga SR-2 A58 Bios
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    Ram: Corsair Dominator GT PC-16000 (2000 MHz) 9-10-9-27 @ 1.60V
    Cooling: 2x Cooler Master 240 
    Psu: Seasonic Platinum 1000W 
    Case: Corsair Obsidian 900d
    Videocard: el cheapo PCI-E gpu
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/28 01:21:31 (permalink)
    2 psu's can be help ful whit dual havy oced xeon cpu's and 4 havy oced gpu's.
    why not go for dual 2011-3 setup, whit the cheap e5-2620 v3  +-1300$ bord, cpu's and ram ?
    the x5680/x5690 ar capabel of running above 4,5 on air.
    this was done 23.04.2012 i don't remember the bios settings or the temps.
    post edited by skulstation2 - 2014/09/28 02:18:33

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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/28 11:25:47 (permalink)
    A dual e5-2620 v3 is only 2x2.4 GHz while a dual x5680 gives me 2x3.33 GHz which is almost a 1 GHz difference. Also, the difference in benchmarks is quite big so it doesn't even look like I'd get anything CLOSE to the 23,000 kN/s you got with your dual x5675's which is what I want (or better). 
     
    And who knows what OC I'd get on the e5-2620's...and what board can you overclock those with anyway?
     
    Same goes for X5680's...while they're "capable" of 4.5 GHz, who knows if the cpu's I'll get will get me that kind of OC unless you're saying 4.5 GHz is about an 80% chance or is average and from what I read 4.0.4.2 GHz is the average...it'd be more expensive sure, but again, I can pay a little more if it'll give me even better kN/s than what you got. Won't the 5960X OC'd to 4.5 GHz give me almost the same as 2x5680's OC'd to 4.2 GHz? According to the link below, yes. And a 5960X setup would cost me much less:
     
    http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=287
     
    Also, I don't know how you got 23,000 kN/s with your dual x5675's when the link below shows dual x5680's is about a 19,000 kN/s average.
     
    http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=19
     
    And actually, you said earlier "X5650s are very cheap and give you at 90% of the 5960X numbers. I payed USD400 for a pair of X5675s, but USD150 for a pair of X5650s sounds smarter." According to the benchmark above, dual X5650's will give me about 12,500 kN/s at 3 GHz...are you saying I'd get about 22,000 kN/s if I could overclock them to 4.5 GHz? If so then that $1300 used system with dual x5650's would be good, except the problem is the max. overclock on it is 4 GHz which is likely going to give me less than 20,000 kN/s in SF.
     
    The last screenshot you posted looks like that of a dual X5690 setup (not 100% sure since screenshot is a bit small even after clicking it). Is that your setup, or one you used to have? 4.90 GHz is an excellent overclock and I don't know what coolers were used for that but with my luck I'd probably be lucky to get 4.5 GHz on the SR2. Regardless, that setup is out of the question for me anyway since I can't afford 2 of those cpu's at $1700 a piece...although they are going on ebay for about $600 a piece to my door. But I don't think it'd be much faster than 2x5680's or even 2x5650's...since unfortunately there's no chess benchmark with dual x5690's.
     
    cuda-dude has a 5690 setup but his fritz benchmark is only 20,000 kN/s. I get 19,000 with my 3930k.
     
    Hmm, I found a pair of x5690's on eBay that'll cost me about $1150 CDN at the door. It'd be nice if cuda-dude or someone would run the Stockfish benchmark so I could see what speeds I'd get with that pair. If a bit better than yours I'd probably go for it...then buy the SR2, ram and either H100i coolers or go with your Nepton suggestion...although that one is quite loud over the H100i.
    post edited by yorkman - 2014/09/28 12:42:28

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    Ram: Corsair Dominator GT PC-16000 (2000 MHz) 9-10-9-27 @ 1.60V
    Cooling: 2x Cooler Master 240 
    Psu: Seasonic Platinum 1000W 
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/28 11:53:18 (permalink)
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    post edited by yorkman - 2014/09/28 12:41:17

    Mobo: Evga SR-2 A58 Bios
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    Ram: Corsair Dominator GT PC-16000 (2000 MHz) 9-10-9-27 @ 1.60V
    Cooling: 2x Cooler Master 240 
    Psu: Seasonic Platinum 1000W 
    Case: Corsair Obsidian 900d
    Videocard: el cheapo PCI-E gpu
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    Re: EVGA SR-2 and 2x X5680 OC'd 2014/09/28 13:34:42 (permalink)
    i am having trouble with direct links here.  try h t t p //hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041124886&postcount=1307 for a better version of my screenshots. or i can PM you a teamviewer login on my machine so you can have a nerdgasm of chess power. A X5675 using turbo bin run all cores at 25x, just like a non-turbo X5690, so i really don't see why my results look out of the charts. sedat hasn't responded my email nor updated the charts, but since i have multiple runs using lower voltages, i don't mind repeating the session with a video live feed .
     
    about the e5-2620 v3 suggestion, the SR2 can go head to head with the current chess champion  Xeon E5-2697 v2, a beast with 24 cores and 48 threads, i don't see how the lower cored and slower 2620 v3 can hope to compete.
     
    These are enthusiast builds, single thread performance remains relevant, which is why the options are SR2 vs 5960X. 
    i will try to consolidate the build info on hardforum, which is friendlier to my images and links than here, but i do recognize that was EVGA's forum that provided with the important solutions to RAM selection and how to Turbo.
     

    EVGA SR2
    2x Xeon X5675 25x187MHz @ 1.37V
    6x 8GB ECC DDR3
     
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