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2014/09/15 02:02:43 (permalink)
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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/09/15 02:23:26 (permalink)
If you enable it, then disable when you are finished playing those games.

What does K Boost do when you try to enable it?
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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/09/15 02:38:55 (permalink)
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If you enable it, then disable when you are finished playing those games.

What does K Boost do when you try to enable it?

That would be very annoying, enabling and disabling it manually.
 
This is what kboost is about:
 


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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/09/15 02:57:12 (permalink)
The problem is probably tied to the new precision.

Yes, it would be annoying taking 3 seconds to enable and disable, or you can just watch the frame drop. It is the decision you would have to make.

I also know what K Boost is, as I use it for benchmarks, and find it very easy to use through precision 4.2.1, and that requires opening an extra menu unlike 5.0.0.

Can you answer the question of what happens when you enable it? You said you couldn't get it to work, so this picture didn't answer the question.
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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/09/15 02:59:54 (permalink)
You should look at finding the post that has the link to Precision X 5.0.1.
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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/09/15 03:17:50 (permalink)
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The problem is probably tied to the new precision.

Yes, it would be annoying taking 3 seconds to enable and disable, or you can just watch the frame drop. It is the decision you would have to make.

I also know what K Boost is, as I use it for benchmarks, and find it very easy to use through precision 4.2.1, and that requires opening an extra menu unlike 5.0.0.

Can you answer the question of what happens when you enable it? You said you couldn't get it to work, so this picture didn't answer the question.



The problem is, it won't let me enable the kboost switch, even after enabling Overvoltage. I never was into overlocking and modifying rates and voltages, sorry :/

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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/09/15 03:22:01 (permalink)
I will see if I can find 5.0.0 or 5.0.1 tomorrow and look at it.

So, the option is grayed out and not doing anything? You shouldn't need the enable overvolting to get K Boost to work, as far as I know.
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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/09/15 03:29:50 (permalink)
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I will see if I can find 5.0.0 or 5.0.1 tomorrow and look at it.

So, the option is grayed out and not doing anything? You shouldn't need the enable overvolting to get K Boost to work, as far as I know.



Yeah, it can not be turned on.
 
I have uploaded you the 5.0.0 setup if you wish. https://mega.co.nz/#!rItX...vt2UkqEkx6qUOkrZHjkFsc

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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/09/15 03:39:14 (permalink)
I have it downloaded on my hard drive. I waited to see how it all turned out, and quickly realized that there were issues that I didn't want on my computer, so I never loaded it.

You may want to hop into the precision x15 thread, and search it to see if there are known issues with K Boost, as this is going to be the best way to get your games to perform steady. Yes, it may be a little annoying to enable and disable it, but if the frame drops bother you, then taking the same amount of time (with a working K Boost feature) to enable it once and then disable it will alleviate the issue, and you can enjoy the games you want to play.

Like I said, I will load it tonight and see if I can get it to work. Until then, please look through the other thread to make sure it isn't a known issue. I am on mobile, and searching is not user friendly on a phone.
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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/09/15 04:50:39 (permalink)
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I have it downloaded on my hard drive. I waited to see how it all turned out, and quickly realized that there were issues that I didn't want on my computer, so I never loaded it.

You may want to hop into the precision x15 thread, and search it to see if there are known issues with K Boost, as this is going to be the best way to get your games to perform steady. Yes, it may be a little annoying to enable and disable it, but if the frame drops bother you, then taking the same amount of time (with a working K Boost feature) to enable it once and then disable it will alleviate the issue, and you can enjoy the games you want to play.

Like I said, I will load it tonight and see if I can get it to work. Until then, please look through the other thread to make sure it isn't a known issue. I am on mobile, and searching is not user friendly on a phone.



Thank you already for that, I will dig through that.
 
But still, enabling kboost wouldn't be the right and clean way, there must be some other solution since the GPUs are designed to not "under-clock" and cause said fps lags...

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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/09/15 05:11:04 (permalink)
They are designed to download and save power. If they aren't being stressed by an older game, then they are going to do exactly what they are designed to do. Once they do that, they realize they are needed, and boost back up. I have seen people mention this exact issue on the forums previously.

K Boost is a clean and appropriate way to use it. Not sure why you feel it wouldn't be the proper way, honestly. It is exactly like using the card in a very demanding game, like crysis, and it pushing the card. The only difference is, the game isn't doing it so K Boost is. Just like turning your game off, if you get K Boost to work, taking the few seconds to turn it on or off will help correct the issue.
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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/09/15 19:27:22 (permalink)
Run a custom vBIOS that disables the boost on the card. Problem solved. 
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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/09/17 03:10:12 (permalink)
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Run a custom vBIOS that disables the boost on the card. Problem solved. 




Wouldn't that cause trouble regarding the warranty?

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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/09/17 03:13:37 (permalink)
No, as long as you leave the normal bios (actual switch) unflashed, your warranty is fine. If you flash the LN2 Bios, and mess up that bios chip, then flash the normal as mess it up, bricking the card, then it will void your warranty.
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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/09/17 09:37:10 (permalink)
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No, as long as you leave the normal bios (actual switch) unflashed, your warranty is fine. If you flash the LN2 Bios, and mess up that bios chip, then flash the normal as mess it up, bricking the card, then it will void your warranty.

As far as I know, both models of the GTX 780Ti SC are single BIOS.
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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/09/17 10:00:16 (permalink)
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Run a custom vBIOS that disables the boost on the card. Problem solved. 




Wouldn't that cause trouble regarding the warranty?


Yes, but as long as you flash the original vBIOS back before sending it to EVGA your warranty will be ok.
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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/09/17 14:11:44 (permalink)
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Run a custom vBIOS that disables the boost on the card. Problem solved. 




Wouldn't that cause trouble regarding the warranty?


Yes, but as long as you flash the original vBIOS back before sending it to EVGA your warranty will be ok.




Ugh, alright. Is it hard to flash a vBIOS? Never heard of it before to be honest.

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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/09/17 15:12:47 (permalink)
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As far as I know, both models of the GTX 780Ti SC are single BIOS.


This he it was a Classified card for a minute, and you are correct.
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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/09/17 17:30:34 (permalink)
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Run a custom vBIOS that disables the boost on the card. Problem solved. 




Wouldn't that cause trouble regarding the warranty?


Yes, but as long as you flash the original vBIOS back before sending it to EVGA your warranty will be ok.




Ugh, alright. Is it hard to flash a vBIOS? Never heard of it before to be honest.


It's not hard to do at all. What vBIOS are you currently running on your two 780 Ti's? You can view the vBIOS version by running GPU-Z. e.g. 80.80.34.00.80 or 80.80.30.00.80. 
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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/09/18 02:57:25 (permalink)
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It's not hard to do at all. What vBIOS are you currently running on your two 780 Ti's? You can view the vBIOS version by running GPU-Z. e.g. 80.80.34.00.80 or 80.80.30.00.80. 



According to GPU-Z I am running vBIOS 80.80.34.00.80
 


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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/09/18 11:00:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Azidium 2014/10/05 03:44:18
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It's not hard to do at all. What vBIOS are you currently running on your two 780 Ti's? You can view the vBIOS version by running GPU-Z. e.g. 80.80.34.00.80 or 80.80.30.00.80. 



According to GPU-Z I am running vBIOS 80.80.34.00.80
 



Is that for both cards? If so, here is how to flash the cards...
 
#1 Backup both cards original vBIOSes.
- Backup your original vBIOSes to a folder of your choosing using GPU-Z's .rom backup feature (circled in red), make sure to backup each vBIOS for each GPU on the GPU-Z GPU list before flashing the new custom vBIOS. (circled in red.)

NOTE: If you can't get GPU-Z to backup your original vBIOSes keep trying older versions of GPU-Z until you find one that will allow you to backup both vBIOSes. You can find older versions here. To view all the older versions change "show latest versions" to "show all versions" at the top right of the page.
 
#2 Download NVFlash v5.165 to your desktop.
#3 Right click NVFlash v5.165.zip located on the desktop and select "Extract to nvflash_windows_5.165\, a folder will be created on your desktop named "nvflash_windows_5.165" for you. You must have winrar installed to do the extraction like i'm describing. Winrar can be downloaded here.
#4 Download the custom vBIOS here to your desktop.
 
Flashing Procedure for Multiple Cards: (Flash one card at a time to prevent issues. DO NOT FLASH ALL CARDS AT THE SAME TIME.) 
#1 Move the "skyn3t-780Ti-SC-ACX.34.rom" vBIOS into the nvflash_windows_5.165 folder via drag and drop.
#2 Open Command Prompt. 
- Windows 7: Press the start button and type "cmd" without quotes into the search feature bar and hit enter. 
- Windows 8: Press the Windows Key & X keys togeather and select Command Prompt from the menu. 
#3 Type the following commands into the command prompt... "cd desktop\nvflash_windows_5.165" without quotes and hit enter. 
- Type "nvflash --index=0 --protectoff" without quotes and hit enter. (Turns off write protection on card #1. Some cards will need to have this disabled before you can flash the card so always perform this command before flashing.) 
- Type "nvflash --index=0 -4 -5 -6 skyn3t-780Ti-SC-ACX.34.rom" without quotes and hit enter. (This will flash card #1.) 
#4 If you get an error stating "Firmware image PCI Subsystem ID <xxxx.xxxx> does not match adapter PCI Subsystem ID <xxxx.xxxx>" just ignore the error (this error will cause no harm, it's just letting you know you are changing the subvendor on the card from EVGA to NVIDIA.) and continue on flashing by pressing "Y" to override the error. nvflash should now start to flash your VBIOS to the modded VBIOS and complete by saying the flash was succsessful. 
#5 Restart PC. (NVIDIA drivers should automatically detect and install the card, if not, you may need to uninstall the drivers and re-install them.) 
#6 Open precision x or msi afterburner and check to see if your card has been flashed by checking the power target. (Power target should be able to max out at 200%.) 
#7 Perform steps #2 through #6 until you have succsessfully flashed all cards. Don't forget to change --index=0 to --index=1,2, or 3 to flash cards 2,3, or 4. 
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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/10/05 03:51:49 (permalink)
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It's not hard to do at all. What vBIOS are you currently running on your two 780 Ti's? You can view the vBIOS version by running GPU-Z. e.g. 80.80.34.00.80 or 80.80.30.00.80. 



According to GPU-Z I am running vBIOS 80.80.34.00.80
 



Is that for both cards? If so, here is how to flash the cards...
 
#1 Backup both cards original vBIOSes.
- Backup your original vBIOSes to a folder of your choosing using GPU-Z's .rom backup feature (circled in red), make sure to backup each vBIOS for each GPU on the GPU-Z GPU list before flashing the new custom vBIOS. (circled in red.)

NOTE: If you can't get GPU-Z to backup your original vBIOSes keep trying older versions of GPU-Z until you find one that will allow you to backup both vBIOSes. You can find older versions here. To view all the older versions change "show latest versions" to "show all versions" at the top right of the page.
 
#2 Download NVFlash v5.165 to your desktop.
#3 Right click NVFlash v5.165.zip located on the desktop and select "Extract to nvflash_windows_5.165\, a folder will be created on your desktop named "nvflash_windows_5.165" for you. You must have winrar installed to do the extraction like i'm describing. Winrar can be downloaded here.
#4 Download the custom vBIOS here to your desktop.
 
Flashing Procedure for Multiple Cards: (Flash one card at a time to prevent issues. DO NOT FLASH ALL CARDS AT THE SAME TIME.) 
#1 Move the "skyn3t-780Ti-SC-ACX.34.rom" vBIOS into the nvflash_windows_5.165 folder via drag and drop.
#2 Open Command Prompt. 
- Windows 7: Press the start button and type "cmd" without quotes into the search feature bar and hit enter. 
- Windows 8: Press the Windows Key & X keys togeather and select Command Prompt from the menu. 
#3 Type the following commands into the command prompt... "cd desktop\nvflash_windows_5.165" without quotes and hit enter. 
- Type "nvflash --index=0 --protectoff" without quotes and hit enter. (Turns off write protection on card #1. Some cards will need to have this disabled before you can flash the card so always perform this command before flashing.) 
- Type "nvflash --index=0 -4 -5 -6 skyn3t-780Ti-SC-ACX.34.rom" without quotes and hit enter. (This will flash card #1.) 
#4 If you get an error stating "Firmware image PCI Subsystem ID <xxxx.xxxx> does not match adapter PCI Subsystem ID <xxxx.xxxx>" just ignore the error (this error will cause no harm, it's just letting you know you are changing the subvendor on the card from EVGA to NVIDIA.) and continue on flashing by pressing "Y" to override the error. nvflash should now start to flash your VBIOS to the modded VBIOS and complete by saying the flash was succsessful. 
#5 Restart PC. (NVIDIA drivers should automatically detect and install the card, if not, you may need to uninstall the drivers and re-install them.) 
#6 Open precision x or msi afterburner and check to see if your card has been flashed by checking the power target. (Power target should be able to max out at 200%.) 
#7 Perform steps #2 through #6 until you have succsessfully flashed all cards. Don't forget to change --index=0 to --index=1,2, or 3 to flash cards 2,3, or 4. 




Sorry for the late reply, couldn't find the time to check on my PC. Thank you for the detailed tutorial, I will flash both my 780 Ti SC tomorrow. Are there any further steps of adjustment/settings or should the new vBIOS do the job itself?

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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/10/06 19:05:30 (permalink)
The vBIOS should do the job. 
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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/10/09 10:59:51 (permalink)
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The vBIOS should do the job. 




Alright, I flashed both cards, I would be able to max the power target to 200%.
 
Should I now do some adjustments in PrecisionX?
 

 
Edit: Small micro frame drops still occure :( Also disabled SLI but the micro lags still appear way too often...
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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/10/09 11:53:03 (permalink)
No adjustments needed inside precision x unless your overclocking. Try installing driver 331.82, make sure to do a custom advanced install, uncheck all options but physx, check mark perform a clean install. Report back with your results with driver 331.82 installed.
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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/10/11 02:13:42 (permalink)
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No adjustments needed inside precision x unless your overclocking. Try installing driver 331.82, make sure to do a custom advanced install, uncheck all options but physx, check mark perform a clean install. Report back with your results with driver 331.82 installed.




Thank you for the suggestion, I installed the 331.82 drive. Sadly it brought no difference at all, except it weirdly didn't recognize SLI anymore (had that after setting up my system in the past before with recent drivers).
 
I also did:
 
- a clean install to the 331.82 driver
- deactivated Kaspersky Internet Security
- install the most recent driver 344.11, SLI is now avaible again
 
Do you have any other suggestions...?

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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/10/14 20:02:55 (permalink)
#1 Uninstall whatever version of MSI Afterburner or EVGA Precision X you're currently running.
- Select "no" to saving profiles if asked.
#2 Uninstall all nvidia software & drivers from add/remove programs.
#3 Reboot the PC.
#4 Install driver 332.21
#5 Install EVGA Precision X v4.2.1. You can get it here.
#6 Enable K-Boost inside Precision X.
#7 Reboot PC.
#8 Verify your clocks are running at max inside precision x.
#9 Test to see if you're still getting micro lags.
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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/10/17 09:52:52 (permalink)
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#1 Uninstall whatever version of MSI Afterburner or EVGA Precision X you're currently running.
- Select "no" to saving profiles if asked.
#2 Uninstall all nvidia software & drivers from add/remove programs.
#3 Reboot the PC.
#4 Install driver 332.21
#5 Install EVGA Precision X v4.2.1. You can get it here.
#6 Enable K-Boost inside Precision X.
#7 Reboot PC.
#8 Verify your clocks are running at max inside precision x.
#9 Test to see if you're still getting micro lags.




Thanks, I tried that, also enabled K-Boost but it doesn't look like everything is running on max, the micro lags still occure ingame.
 

 
Also, with the 332.21 driver my SLI and G-Sync support disappeard in the nvidia control panel :(

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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/10/17 10:57:47 (permalink)
Did you reboot the PC after enabling K-Boost? G-Sync & SLI are supported by driver 332.21. It sounds like you have some driver corruption going on, do the following to get rid of the corruption...
 
#1 Create a system restore point. 
 
#2 Download & Install CCleaner & Driver Sweeper 3.2.0.
 
#3 Uninstall Precision X/Afterburner, make sure to select "no" to saving profiles when asked.
 
#4 Remove all NVIDIA software & drivers from add/remove programs.
 
#5 Reboot into safe mode.
 
#6  Run driver sweeper 3.2.0, check mark NVIDIA - Display & NVIDIA - PhysX, select Analyse button, if a list of entries pop up select the Clean button, when asked to reboot select Cancel. Do the scan again to make sure all entries are removed/deleted, if all entries cannot be removed/deleted please post that the entries cannot be removed/deleted along with a screenshot showing what cannot be deleted. If the entries were removed/deleted successfully continue onto the next step...
 
#7  Run ccleaner, select the registry tab, select scan for issues button, select fix selected issues button, when asked to backup the registry select "no" (we made a restore point earlier, we don't need to worry about backing up the registry entries.), select fix all selected issues button. Do the scan again to make sure all entries are removed/deleted.
NOTE: Two entries may still appear after multiple cleanings (it should be one or two and no more), this is normal and should be ignored, all other entries should be gone. 
 
#8 Delete NVIDIA GUID's using regedit. Click the start button and type regedit and hit enter. For windows 8 hit the windows key + r and type in regedit and hit enter. Navigate to...
- HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet002\Control\Video (highlight the Video key and press the delete key.)
- HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Video (highlight the Video key and press the delete key.)
NOTE: When deleting the video key you will be prompted with an error saying "Error deleting key, Cannot delete Video: Error while deleting key." Just ignore the error and select OK, all keys within the Video key will be deleted except for ones that cannot be deleted.
 
#9 Reboot PC into normal windows mode. (non-safe mode)
 
#10 Perform a clean installation of 332.21 video drivers.
 
#11 Re-install Precision X v4.2.1.
 
#12 Enable SLI & G-Sync if you can.
 
#13 Enable K-Boost.
 
#14 Reboot PC.
 
#15 Verify your clocks are running at max inside precision x. Test to see if you're still getting micro lags.
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Re: GTX 780 Ti SC SLI down-clocking causing fps drops 2014/10/17 12:01:56 (permalink)
Not that I use K-Boost much, but I have a bug in Precision 4.2.1 whereas when K-Boost is enabled, the GPU clock in Precision (and in OSD) won't reflect that my card is running at it's 1176MHz boost clock speed unless I close and open Precision again, but it shows properly in GPU-Z (Sensors tab)..When disabling K-Boost, Precision won't show the proper idle clock of 135MHz, it says 540MHz, but again, GPU-Z shows it's at the proper 135MHz..In short, I need to close and open Precision again to make it show the right clock speed everytime K-Boost is enabled or disabled..Prolly happening to you too Azidium..Just thought I'd throw this into the mix. 

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