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2014/09/15 03:22:33 (permalink)
So I know the 980 is still just rumors, but people here will know more about what they've seen than what I know.

I've started building my own PC.
So far the build is

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The only thing missing is a GPU.
Originally I was going to get a 780Ti but as I only started getting parts 2 weeks ago people said I should wait for the 980 to decide which card to get.

I know I still have to wait another week or so for some solid figures but just wanted some clarification on where were at.

From what I've read the 980 is going to be slightly faster then the 780Ti which has made me glad I've waited.

The usage of the comp at the moment is under what it's should be capable of though, I want good FPS for gaming while playing ultra settings, but as my monitor is only 1080p with 144hz rather than 1440 or 4k either of these cards should be able to play everything right?
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    the_Scarlet_one
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/15 03:27:30 (permalink)
    Both will drive a 1080 monitor just fine. It will be your choice, but if you do decide to wait, you may end up giving it a little longer for the non reference cards with better coolers. It is all up to you.
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/15 03:32:22 (permalink)
    My friend has lent me his old AMD 5870 GPU to run my pc off while I wait for the 980.
    So I'm just sticking to LoL and probably Fable Anniversary now that it's out.
    Seeing as neither are heavily graphically demanding. So I'm not too worried about waiting as long as the 980 turns out to be worthwhile cost/performance wise when compared to the 780Ti
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/15 03:34:23 (permalink)
    Yeah, just wait for the official nvidia release and see how the true benchmarks are. I am not a fan of speculation and rumors. Hard numbers are the way to go.

    If you already have a borrowed card, just hold out a little while.
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/15 03:39:37 (permalink)
    Okay, I'll just keep waiting.
    They're supposed to be coming out on this 24 hour gaming event at the end of the week, right?
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/15 03:41:25 (permalink)
    I have no idea. Honestly, I have 3 780tis and love them... I will be watching the benchmarks and reviews, but the earliest I will even consider upgrading will be IF they release a Ti version of the 980
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/15 03:43:53 (permalink)
    its always good to wait my problem is I rush in a buy a gpu and then the big thing come out. I am very happy now with my pair of 660ti card but before that my first one was a gt 310 noob thing to do and second was a 9800gt another noob thing so wait.

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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/15 03:47:29 (permalink)
    i noticed the WiFi card listed ,if your serious about the pc being used for games i hope you plan on a hardline as Wifi is not a great option for gaming .

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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/15 03:52:17 (permalink)
    Didn't see the wifi card. I would definitely suggest the same as biohazard
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/15 04:11:39 (permalink)
    My GPU upgrade is from a 555M as I'm a laptop user normally.

    And yes, I realize WiFi isn't great for online gaming. So far LoL is the only online thing I play because of that. I mainly stick to AAA games that are solo player Skyrim, Assassins Creed, etc.

    My current position doesn't allow me to have a Ethernet cable running to my system. Hopefully it won't be too long till that changes but in the mean time I have to put up with a WiFi connection and luckily it is working quite well currently.

    And as for the 980Ti, I'm a patient person. But not that patient. As I'm guessing a minimum of another 6 months before we see reference cards for them
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/15 14:43:06 (permalink)
    The GTX 980 is supposed to be a bit stronger than the GTX 780, but not quite as strong as the 780 ti.
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/15 15:18:07 (permalink)
    Yeah man just wait. I sold my 780 to get ready for this round of gpu's a month ago. Ive been kickin it on integrated graphics since then and playing my Metro Redux on my xbox one. 
     
    I sold mine when the market was not flooded with 700 cards so I got very good coin for it. But the flipside of that is that if you wait, you could benefit from the mass rush of unloading "old" gpus from people that are going 900 series. 
     
     

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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/15 17:57:18 (permalink)
    I thought about that. But I think I'm going to stick with buying a new card. Even if I go 700 series (don't think I will though) I'll probably hunt down a new one. Just as you don't know what the last user did to it.
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/16 06:43:15 (permalink)
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    Yeah man just wait. I sold my 780 to get ready for this round of gpu's a month ago. Ive been kickin it on integrated graphics since then and playing my Metro Redux on my xbox one. 
     
    I sold mine when the market was not flooded with 700 cards so I got very good coin for it. But the flipside of that is that if you wait, you could benefit from the mass rush of unloading "old" gpus from people that are going 900 series. 
     
     


    You sold a 780, but the OP is looking at getting a 780ti, the 780ti is going to still perform better than the 980and will cost about the same money when the 980 is released. The 980 will have about 10-15% less performance than the 780ti. Its memory bandwidth(256 vs 384 of the current ti) and speed are also significantly less than a current ti. This upcoming round of Nvidia gpu's is focusing more on power efficiency using less transistors. If the OP wants better performance than a 780ti then is is going to have to wait till a 980 ti is released, and that isn't going to happen anytime soon.
     
      IMO Id grab the current Keplar Ti if max performance is the most important aspect.
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/16 08:27:22 (permalink)
    Take this with a grain of salt, but actually, the 980 is supposedly slightly faster than the Ti, probably because of the high clock speed vs a Ti, even though the memory bandwidth is less. Check out videocardz.com (sorry, I can't post links apparently).
     
    That said, there's no guarantee the drivers will be as mature as the ones for the Ti.
     
    PS - the release date says September 19th.  o.O
     
     
    post edited by leeferna - 2014/09/16 08:29:38
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/16 08:36:25 (permalink)
    leeferna
    Take this with a grain of salt, but actually, the 980 is supposedly slightly faster than the Ti, probably because of the high clock speed vs a Ti, even though the memory bandwidth is less. Check out videocardz.com (sorry, I can't post links apparently).
     
    That said, there's no guarantee the drivers will be as mature as the ones for the Ti.
     
    PS - the release date says September 19th.  o.O
     
     




    Links don't work until you have 50 posts iirc. I wouldn't really lean on the information to much but I doubt its going to be to far off. Still would wait for proper reviews after the card is relased.
     
    SPEC LINKY
     
    Anyways, if the rumors are right, its going to be a card that's not as power hungry for about the same performance as the 780ti. Also note that it looks to be using 3 display ports with only one dvi and one hdmi for connections.
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/16 12:56:28 (permalink)
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    Take this with a grain of salt, but actually, the 980 is supposedly slightly faster than the Ti, probably because of the high clock speed vs a Ti, even though the memory bandwidth is less. Check out videocardz.com (sorry, I can't post links apparently).
     
    That said, there's no guarantee the drivers will be as mature as the ones for the Ti.
     
    PS - the release date says September 19th.  o.O
     
     




    Links don't work until you have 50 posts iirc. I wouldn't really lean on the information to much but I doubt its going to be to far off. Still would wait for proper reviews after the card is relased.
     
    SPEC LINKY
     
    Anyways, if the rumors are right, its going to be a card that's not as power hungry for about the same performance as the 780ti. Also note that it looks to be using 3 display ports with only one dvi and one hdmi for connections.


     In other words in reality its likely Nvidias 2nd tier GPU chip unit(Like the GTX 680 was when it was first released, even though for that year it was the "flagship" video card). Expect the real full blown Maxwell unit to come in the form of the GM210 chip which will not be released for another year.
     
       So in reality this years new "flagship" processor really isn't that. Nvidia releases their flagship processer every 2 years. So you got another year to wait before you see a substantial increase in performance over a 780ti clock for clock IMO.
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/16 14:27:40 (permalink)
    There's a lot of buzz about an NDA release this coming Friday, so I'm assuming its the 980.

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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/17 00:06:29 (permalink)
    I'll just wait for Friday so we know more.
    I'd also heard the 980 slightly out performs the 780Ti.
    But after Friday we should start seeing some solid numbers on performance.
    But the rumored $500 price tag for the 980 is also I nice buying point if it is within 5-10% of the 780Ti as they're still $770-$1100 here in Aus while the $500 980 would only be $600ish.
    Which will be nice if I decide to SLI in the future
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/17 00:30:35 (permalink)
    Just a heads-up, there are rumors of the 980 launching at $599, which is an odd price.  Right now, there is an Asus 780Ti which is $590:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121838&cm_re=gtx_780_ti-_-14-121-838-_-Product
    So if performance per dollar is of high priority to you, then this would be a good option.  However, if the 980 outperforms the 780Ti, it would be worth the $10 increase considering you'll get that extra 1GB of VRAM and superior power efficiency.  Since it looks like you'll be playing on 1920x1080, 3GB should suffice for now, but games are starting to use a lot more VRAM (especially Ubisoft ports).  If you don't mind waiting even longer, Nvidia will likely release a 980Ti or something of that sort to compete with AMD's next flagship, which will probably outperform the 980 in terms of FPS averages (with stupidly high temps and power consumption).

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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/17 01:00:47 (permalink)
    $ to performance isn't too important.
    Originally the 780Ti I was going to get was the ROG Platnium. So money isn't really a huge issue.
    I'll just wait and see how the 980 turns out. Don't think I'll wait for the 980Ti
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/17 01:00:47 (permalink)
    $ to performance isn't too important.
    Originally the 780Ti I was going to get was the ROG Platnium. So money isn't really a huge issue.
    I'll just wait and see how the 980 turns out. Don't think I'll wait for the 980Ti
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/17 01:10:06 (permalink)

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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/17 02:15:45 (permalink)
    The 980 sounds nice from those articles. So might get one
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/18 07:02:18 (permalink)
    If these specs are correct don't expect the GTX 980/GM204 to outperform the GTX 780ti/GK110..........especially at1080p............the only aspect that the GM204 performs better is Pixel fill rate which is not as important as texture fill rate in todays games, and that's with a 250mhz clock advantage on a reference card. Texture fill rate the GTX 780ti is still king and at about 250mhz less clock.
     
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    Texture fillrate144 GT/s134 GT/s213 GT/s
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    post edited by Ntrain96 - 2014/09/18 07:08:10
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/18 08:29:14 (permalink)
    Looks like wccftech.com has the first review of the 980. Compared in various games and synthetic benchmarks, it appears to be roughly 10-15% faster than a 780-Ti, although the Ti is stock and not OC'd.
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/18 09:04:20 (permalink)
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    Looks like wccftech.com has the first review of the 980. Compared in various games and synthetic benchmarks, it appears to be roughly 10-15% faster than a 780-Ti, although the Ti is stock and not OC'd.


    What the average is at stock clocks is a claim of the 980 13% faster overall. But the 980 runs at a stock clock that is 250mhz higher than a 780 ti, or 23% higher clock. Now if you run the 780ti at the same clock speed as the 980(1127mhz, which is not a problem for any 780ti with good cooling), then the 780ti in reality is about 10% faster than the 980 running at identical clocks.
     
      So the benchmarks can be misleading. For me, the 980 would have to OC 10% over its stock reference to equal my 780ti's. And no one knows how well these cards will OC over stock? 10% minimum? 20%? A 20% OC will give it slightly better bench numbers again in the 5-10% range, but that's a card now running in the 1400mhz range that will visually give nothing still in real world performance use.
     
       For me and many others this would be actually be a slight downgrade since Im water cooled and run a flashed vbios upgrade on my plain vanilla reference 780ti cards which in turn means I run at 1137mhz constantly which is basically what the 980 runs at stock.
     
      If someone is looking to upgrade from scratch I would take the GTX 980 over the GTX 780, but not the 780ti/Titan Black. Price I think is reflecting that too.
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/18 12:22:05 (permalink)
    Just got off the phone with a support rep about a bad card. he recommended step up to replace it, but there isn't anything I can step up to.
     
    He slipped up and said it will be announced/released or something tomorrow. He caught himself mid sentence but we should be getting some news soon.
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/18 12:25:54 (permalink)
    "It appears that Nvidia has been feeling the pulse of the market and took some note from comments regarding the original launch price for the upcoming GM204 Maxwell based Geforce GTX 980 and GTX 970 graphics cards. The company has adjusted the launch price and the new price, which AIB partners got yesterday morning, is set at US $329 for the GTX 970 and US $549 for the GTX 980.
     
    Both graphics cards, as well as the new GM204 Maxwell GPU will be announced during Nvidia's Game24 event which kicks off on September 18th at 6PM PDT, or about 2AM CEST on 19th of September."
     
    The above is from (fudzilla.com/home/item/35793-nvidia-adjusted-launch-price-of-gtx-980-and-gtx-970)
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    Re: 780Ti v 980 2014/09/19 06:46:29 (permalink)
    So they've been announced, and I'm going to get the 980.
    I don't know heaps about the numbers, but it sounds good and the 780Ti isn't being sold anymore and most places are selling out its not really an option anyway.
    At the moment I'm thinking the EVGA superclocked reference design card, as it's being sold from my local pc part supplier, same as the regular reference model.
    They don't stock the aftermarket cooler version of the superclocked card
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