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2014/08/22 17:40:17 (permalink)
Where they at? Release is next Friday. Typically we would have reviews at least a few weeks before release.
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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/25 19:47:05 (permalink)
    Reviewers are still bound by Intel's NDA.  Until it officially releases, reviewers are not permitted to show reviews.  Yes, you get leaks sometimes, and people speculate based on leaked or official specs, but reviews won't come out until Intel says they may.

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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/26 10:09:27 (permalink)
    From rumors, Haswell-e, and X99/DDR4 being new, way too much cash and beta-tester for me......
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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/26 15:28:22 (permalink)
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    Reviewers are still bound by Intel's NDA.  Until it officially releases, reviewers are not permitted to show reviews.  Yes, you get leaks sometimes, and people speculate based on leaked or official specs, but reviews won't come out until Intel says they may.



    Pretty much. Occasionally Anandtech sources a chip from an OEM but doesn't look like they were able to this time around else it'd be up already. If Friday is the NDA then some sites are going to immediately post at midnight.
     
    I'm really interested to see the DDR4 bandwidth testing, it's crazy to see CL20 rated kits when I remember RAM shipping with a cas latency of just 2. 


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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/26 16:23:23 (permalink)
    Reviews posted this late could mean this cpu is overhyped like DC? Intel's carrot on a stick.
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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/26 16:28:19 (permalink)
    Unlikely.  Performance or no, Intel's not going to let people break NDA.  Reviewers aren't going to risk getting shut out of future scoops by breaking NDA.  After all, Intel's going to be particularly more observant after the Z97 fiasco with NDA breaks all over the place.
     
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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/26 19:03:17 (permalink)
    That Z97 debacle is the reason...

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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/26 19:17:29 (permalink)
    Rumor has it... there will be a 400.00 range chip ... that would put the X99 and DDR4 in to a lot people hands... well see!!
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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/26 20:54:26 (permalink)
    DDR4 showed up today.  Woot.

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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/27 12:02:43 (permalink)
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    Rumor has it... there will be a 400.00 range chip ... that would put the X99 and DDR4 in to a lot people hands... well see!!



    Yes, but that $400 chip is severely limited with only 28 lanes pcie.  I'm not sure how many people willing to spend $400 on a chip (plus assumedly another $400 on a mobo + $300 more on ddr4) are going to want to build a system with just one gpu  (or 1 full spectrum gpu, at least)
    I imagine Intel is watching this one very closely, they've kinda put all their eggs in the Haswell-e basket.  I doubt we'll see any significant leaks before Friday.

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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/27 13:44:39 (permalink)
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    I imagine Intel is watching this one very closely, they've kinda put all their eggs in the Haswell-e basket.  I doubt we'll see any significant leaks before Friday.
    It isn't so much a gamble as a long-term strategic plan, Intel has 100% control of the high-end market, but they don't want us to stay with mainstream and want us to move to their high-end platform; that is the final chapter.  The easiest way to make it happen is to stop offering unlocked models in the mainstream socket, then we won't look there anymore.  Look what happened with Sandy Bridge, unlike Westmere and Nehalem where the entire lineup was overclockable down to the Celeron dual-cores, they reduced choices to just two models (2500K and 2600K) and everyone went along with it.  Very few complained as if they couldn't afford it, otherwise AMD was waiting for those folks, but most went on to get the cheaper i5-2500K.
     
     
    Broadwell-K is the last hurrah, since Skylake is locked down; the idea is that from now on we look to X99 and its successors.  Those that can't afford the $389 MSRP of the Haswell-E entry-level could go to AMD for their overclocking fetish, except stock speed Skylake is miles ahead of anything AMD can overclock.
     
    Ultimately, X99 is only aimed at X79 users that want to get on Haswell's architecture along with Broadwell-E.  Granted, anyone on i7-3820/4820K may not find the $400 i7-5820K appealing, but anyone that didn't do more than 2-way SLI/CFX with X79 and the $580 i7-3930K/4930K will find it appealing.  And of course the 8-core for those that just want more cores.
     
    I figure in my mind, majority of those that choose Z-chipsets overclocked their CPUs and only had 1-2 graphics card, and so the purpose of the 28-lane 6-core in X99 is to eventually garner those customers.  They put up with a pair of x8's anyway.  But I also figure Intel is only interested in gaining those that bought i7's in the Z-chispets, they were willing to pay the premiums above $325-350.  So another $40 for an extra two cores may not be asking much.  Granted this move does spit on i5K users, but are they choosing i5K because they are poor or just want the better deal?  I figure Intel thinks they can afford more if they were restricted to do so.
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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/27 13:48:14 (permalink)
    Guess this is what happens when you have no real competition, AMD isn't even in the game anymore when it come to high-end CPU's ...... 28 lanes is about the same as a 1150 uses now. If that's the case... I wouldn't see any need to upgrade from my z87 or z97 with a haswel chip...
     
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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/28 03:23:05 (permalink)
    Nor a review, but a Cinebench run using engineering samples from coolaler.com (not in English, use your own internet-based translator, I use Chrome).  It is featuring both Haswell-E Core i7-5960X and the infamous Haswell-EP Xeon E5-2699 v3.  
     
    If you're unfamiliar with the latter, it is an 18-core processor running at 2.3GHz (Turbo to 2.8GHz) fitting into 145W TDP; but because it is a Xeon, the multiplier is locked.  But who really cares, it's a single processor w/36-threads and 45MB of shared cache memory, and possibly costs north of $3000 anyway.  An i7-5960X at 5GHz would probably match up to it, but then overclocking isn't guaranteed.   The current flagship Ivy Bridge-EP 12-core is $2700, and only a few X79 support it.  I imagine only a few X99's will support the 18-core monster.
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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/28 04:44:58 (permalink)
    msc-servicesRumor has it... there will be a 400.00 range chip ... that would put the X99 and DDR4 in to a lot people hands... well see!!

    That 6-core processor is tempting at only $50 (or so) more than the 4790K.  However, DDR4 is sadly prohibitively expensive - I can get 16GB of 2133MHz CL10 DDR3 for ~£130, yet 16GB 2666MHz C15 DDR4 is £250.  Assuming X99 motherboards cost the same as X79 ones, that's an increase in price of £210 on the motherboard, CPU and RAM - about £5 less than the cost of an i7-4790 (non-K).

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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/28 05:41:29 (permalink)
    Why not look for 16gb of 2133 ddr4, as a higher overclocked ram is obviously going to cost more. Compare the same speeds for comparable prices, rather than a higher speed to older tech.

    $220 for 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2133 (PC4-17000) http://m.newegg.com/Produ...?itemnumber=20-148-859 so that alone lowers price $30. Don't go for the top end motherboards, and it is super easy to get to a reasonable price. Then factor in the possible RMA time of the new tech, as well as shipping... LoL, let the ones with tons of money make the leap so those that are trying to get the best can swoop in once things are better.
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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/28 05:53:11 (permalink)
    Scarlet-TechWhy not look for 16gb of 2133 ddr4, as a higher overclocked ram is obviously going to cost more. Compare the same speeds for comparable prices, rather than a higher speed to older tech.

    In an attempt to be fair/accurate, I was trying to do as close to a like-for-like comparison as I could, by limiting myself to DDR3 and DDR4 from the same manufacturer (Corsair) and stockist (OCUK).  Ultimately, DDR3 2133 was the fastest/most expensive by Corsair I could find (Vengeance range only ), and DD4 2666 the slowest/cheapest I could find.  Of course, it may just be the case that said stockist is being selective in what they stock, thus skewing any comparison I made ...

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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/28 05:56:55 (permalink)
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    In an attempt to be fair/accurate, I was trying to do as close to a like-for-like comparison as I could, by limiting myself to DDR3 and DDR4 from the same manufacturer (Corsair) and stockist (OCUK).  Ultimately, DDR3 2133 was the fastest/most expensive by Corsair I could find (Vengeance range only ), and DD4 2666 the slowest/cheapest I could find.  Of course, it may just be the case that said stockist is being selective in what they stock, thus skewing any comparison I made ...


    That is why it makes sense to include information like that in the first post. You didn't mention anything about a specific manufacturer or anything other than speed and generation... Helps to be specific when comparing specifics.
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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/28 06:22:11 (permalink)
    Scarlet-TechThat is why it makes sense to include information like that in the first post. You didn't mention anything about a specific manufacturer or anything other than speed and generation... Helps to be specific when comparing specifics.

    Honestly, I thought it would be taken as read (although in hindsight, adding in the "cheapest I could find" and "most expensive I could find" qualifiers would have helped).

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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/28 06:25:28 (permalink)
    I didn't think to look for Corsair only. I just looked for ddr4 vs ddr3. New tech is always going to be expensive. I am starting to enjoy proven tech more than new tech. Too many hassles for new tech.
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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/28 07:06:25 (permalink)
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    I didn't think to look for Corsair only. I just looked for ddr4 vs ddr3. New tech is always going to be expensive. I am starting to enjoy proven tech more than new tech. Too many hassles for new tech.



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    All of which is just to say that it's not always wise to jump on the new technology bandwagon RIGHT AWAY.  Sometimes it's wise to sit tight and let the wrinkles in the first gen "beta" get ironed out before you buy.

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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/28 13:07:37 (permalink)
    Frys had listed the 5920K for $395 on it's website for days, it was only just pulled yesterday. So that pretty much confirms the pricing. 
     
    SLI/Crossfire is still a process of diminishing returns, so I prefer to buy a single large GPU that'll last rather than two smaller ones. Tech Report still makes the exact same recommendation for the same reasons. Lastly, the friends I have that are interested in cores don't tend to actually game on their systems at all, so the PCIe lanes is a non-issue to them. 


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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/29 13:50:31 (permalink)
    Just wanted to throw in here that Tiny Tom Logan did a terrific review of the 5960x which I won't embed because there's a no-no or two said, but vintage Tom it's an hour long video 
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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/29 14:21:51 (permalink)
    Nice.
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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/29 14:55:54 (permalink)
    Is an X99 board and a 5820k going to work well with two 780's or two 880's in SLi?
     
    Or will the lower PCI lanes of the 5820k ruin the dual SLi performance?
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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/29 15:21:26 (permalink)
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    Is an X99 board and a 5820k going to work well with two 780's or two 880's in SLi?
     
    Or will the lower PCI lanes of the 5820k ruin the dual SLi performance?


    I just did a zearch about this a few hours ago. the difference between x16 and x8 os only about 2% at most 5%.
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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/29 15:42:38 (permalink)
    You should see minimal impact between x8 and x16 speeds.  Also the speed/power of the processor and memory will also increase performance quite a bit to offset the minimal loss in fps.

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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/29 16:00:13 (permalink)
    After reading the reviews...I can wait awhile to upgrade my cpu/mobo/RAM. :) So this means I can focus on GPU's and more watercooling. Until the GPU's are bottlenecked by my CPU, I am happy.

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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/29 16:55:43 (permalink)
    It seems to me that 5960X almost mandates a dedicated loop...don't bother screwing around with some AIO.
    I'm very much eyeing that 5930K, personally. Though I'll wait for the next iteration of DDR4.

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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/29 17:00:45 (permalink)
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    It seems to me that 5960X almost mandates a dedicated loop...don't bother screwing around with some AIO.
    I'm very much eyeing that 5930K, personally. Though I'll wait for the next iteration of DDR4.




     
    where did you find this information about the 5960X?
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    Re: Haswell-E Reviews 2014/08/29 19:14:34 (permalink)
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    It seems to me that 5960X almost mandates a dedicated loop...don't bother screwing around with some AIO.
    I'm very much eyeing that 5930K, personally. Though I'll wait for the next iteration of DDR4.




     
    where did you find this information about the 5960X?


    The fact that in the Tom Logan review, it seems the real bottleneck was the ability to keep the temps down and that's why the overclock couldn't go higher.
    I believe he uses an H100i.

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