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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/08/26 08:36:32
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/08/26 16:13:08
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Hmm. They can't launch the Titan II without the 880/870 parts. Maybe they will announce both, do another $600 / $1000 split for the 880 and Titan II? I assume all the GM204 talk is still for the 880 alas...
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/08/26 18:13:47
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Sorry but I'm a little confused. GM204 is 28nm, while the GM210 is 20nm correct? So what is GM200. Sorry but no coffee and confused with all these part numbers right now.
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/08/26 21:03:10
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Gm200 is 28nm titan II Gm204 a1 is 880 and 870 on 28nm a later gm204 b1 version will come out on 20nm there will be a later version of Titan on 20nm(maybe gm210) as well 880 and 870 will go 20nm too GM200 will be primarily server end Tesla cards at first NVidia already has gk210 in pipeline for quadro and tesla knowing supplies of gm200 will be in short supply at first - they plan to have a refresh of kepler Titan for commercial use - lower power better performance they have been waiting months for a refresh - waiting another 6 months to a year for maxwell yields and driver support to improve might be too much so there is a titan refresh to cover until maxwell gets legs under it if your read the other thread on 880 and 870 i mentioned the tape out timeline we skip over GM100 - it was a bust - except low end cards(which were 750 and lower's) - by the time they fixed the problems(arm integration) they were nearing the refresh dates for Maxwell so they skip over maxwell gm100 and are going to GM200 series just look at the past tapeout issues with fermi and kepler - and now maxwell - GM100 series dropped and we go straight into the refresh Gm200 and have pascal GP100 one year later http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2207514 also read the thread about Nvidia releasing cuda 6.5 and ARM support ...which is something a nVidia empoyee said was gonna happen while talking about GM200 and GP100 earlier Arm support would be needed prior to releasing the new cards DX12 support would also be necesssary and that's coming with windows 9 hitting preview next month with release in new year timing is everything - Windows 9 and DX12 ,new drivers, new cuda
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/08/26 21:55:06
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Gm200 is 28nm titan II
Gm204 a1 is 880 and 870 on 28nm a later gm204 b1 version will come out on 20nm
there will be a later version of Titan on 20nm(maybe gm210) as well 880 and 870 will go 20nm too
GM200 will be primarily server end Tesla cards at first
NVidia already has gk210 in pipeline for quadro and tesla
knowing supplies of gm200 will be in short supply at first - they plan to have a refresh of kepler Titan for commercial use - lower power better performance
they have been waiting months for a refresh - waiting another 6 months to a year for maxwell yields and driver support to improve might be too much
so there is a titan refresh to cover until maxwell gets legs under it
if your read the other thread on 880 and 870 i mentioned the tape out timeline
we skip over GM100 - it was a bust - except low end cards(which were 750 and lower's) - by the time they fixed the problems(arm integration) they were nearing the refresh dates for Maxwell so they skip over maxwell gm100 and are going to GM200 series
just look at the past tapeout issues with fermi and kepler - and now maxwell - GM100 series dropped and we go straight into the refresh Gm200
and have pascal GP100 one year later
http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2207514
also read the thread about Nvidia releasing cuda 6.5 and ARM support ...which is something a nVidia empoyee said was gonna happen while talking about GM200 and GP100 earlier
Arm support would be needed prior to releasing the new cards
DX12 support would also be necesssary and that's coming with windows 9 hitting preview next month with release in new year
timing is everything - Windows 9 and DX12 ,new drivers, new cuda
Thank you that was very imformative and collected multiple threads together in a simple manner. So the 880's (GM204 a1) will be the "restricted" models. That means it would be better to wait (if I don't need it right now) for the 880ti (GM204 b1)? I am not in need of a GPU until summer next year.
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/08/26 22:25:52
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IMO, GM210 fully unlocked will be GK110 (TITAN BLACK) replacement.
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/08/27 13:02:00
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IMO, GM210 fully unlocked will be GK110 (TITAN BLACK) replacement.
Maybe. They afraid that too much people will wait premium Maxwell and now start with story that GM200 is flagship. Later when AMD on spring present stronger card they will show with real premium chip.
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/08/27 18:38:42
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Probably launch about mid way from when the 800 series launch to when the 900 series launches.....or whatever it will be called for the maxwell refresh with smaller die size.
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/08/27 19:34:25
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We will see, now speculations are possible only.
I don't have plans to change GK110 before 2016.
For me is enough GM210 are not fake story, maybe they launch now GM200, but I would like to use GK110 until GM210 show up.
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/08/28 13:22:06
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Don't forget the 400 series (40nm) to 500 series (32nm) shrink literally happened within just 8 months. So it's a safe bet shrunk parts will happen inside 12 months once it launches. NVIDIA will probably be forced to call it the 900 series as well, so I'd guess the shrunk GM200 core will probably turn into the 980 GTX to make it a decent upgrade over the 880.
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/08/28 13:28:30
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I can't wait to see this generation, but I am going to love up to my classies for a while, like vlada was saying, until they are in need of being replaced. I can be happy with what I have with GPUs for a while.
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/08/28 17:12:48
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I was thinking of skipping 2 Generations and see what comes after the X99 and the name Titan.
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/08/28 17:21:01
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Next will be the Spartan line-up... This will be right after Perseus kills off the silly money grubbing titans. ;-) there will be exactly 300 limited edition GPUs and the rest will be released much later....
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/08/29 10:51:03
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Don't forget the 400 series (40nm) to 500 series (32nm) shrink literally happened within just 8 months. So it's a safe bet shrunk parts will happen inside 12 months once it launches. NVIDIA will probably be forced to call it the 900 series as well, so I'd guess the shrunk GM200 core will probably turn into the 980 GTX to make it a decent upgrade over the 880.
500 series was still 40nm.
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/08/30 10:09:47
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ssj92500 series was still 40nm. Huh, I really got that wrong then. So they launched a new generation inside 8 months without even a die shrink... 
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/08/30 12:49:19
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End of 2014 will be interesting and special 2015.
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/08/30 13:03:12
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Don't forget the 400 series (40nm) to 500 series (32nm) shrink literally happened within just 8 months. Don't ignore the caveats of why that was the case: Fermi was late, GTX480 was also quite hot and only marginally better than HD5870. nVidia had to hurry up and refresh Fermi to get it back in the game, the 500's were not a 'new' generation. Fast turn arounds only happen when there is a competitive threat, in this case, nVidia would have to know of an AMD threat to push out 20nm version of Maxwell, but for now a 28nm of Maxwell would be in reaction to a 28nm threat from AMD-- unless, of course, they can ramp up the cost from a zero threat circumstance, i.e. the original Titan.
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/09/01 20:22:17
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/09/05 22:09:52
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So, a $5,000 Gamer GPU?
Where did you see a list of $5,000.00? Do you have a link?
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/09/06 15:46:33
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knightsilver
So, a $5,000 Gamer GPU?
Where did you see a list of $5,000.00?
Do you have a link?
think he was being sarcastic/trolling. I believe knightsilver is the one that does it from time to time about new technology.
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/09/06 15:56:41
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Titan II will cost 800-900$. I hope. 
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/09/06 15:59:47
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Titan II will cost 800-900$.
I hope.
I sure hope so. supposedly the 980 will be 500-600 USD which would cut nearly 600 USD off my project build as the supposed price previously was 700-800.
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/09/06 16:07:18
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You finish X99 Classified + i7-5960X build?
What you think about octa core???
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/09/06 16:46:25
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You finish X99 Classified + i7-5960X build?
What you think about octa core???
not yet my board is in the hands of nateman getting fittes for the waterblocks. he is busy with work right now and the progress is slow right now. I then found a flaw in my caselabs case that I need to resolve. I need to know how far down I can go with my radiator before I hit the front radiator. my goal was to drop a ek xtx on top with a xtx in front but they may be reduced to pe radiators.
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/09/06 17:07:03
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How massive would the GM200 chip be? the GM204 is already almost the size of the monster known as gk110. GM200 would be significantly bigger, that just sounds unwieldy as all hell.
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/09/06 17:44:54
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knightsilver
So, a $5,000 Gamer GPU?
Where did you see a list of $5,000.00?
Do you have a link?
think he was being sarcastic/trolling. I believe knightsilver is the one that does it from time to time about new technology.
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/09/06 19:45:19
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seta8967
bcavnaugh
knightsilver
So, a $5,000 Gamer GPU?
Where did you see a list of $5,000.00? Do you have a link?
think he was being sarcastic/trolling. I believe knightsilver is the one that does it from time to time about new technology. I'd like to think both of them were being sarcastic, but there are only two options: Plan ahead for a higher price (i.e. save up) or wait longer for a future equivalent to debut at a lower price-- which is what most people do because they don't need the best available immediately. The high price will be for those that want it right now, so they better pay for it. We should all just accept and expect that the Maxwell flagship not called GTX900 will be a minimum of $999 MSRP, no different than Titan. There is no point whatsoever to hope for less when we aren't talking about basic needs.
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Re: Nvidia GTX Titan II Flagship with GM200
2014/09/07 00:50:23
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I must satisfied with used card for cheaper price somehow than. It's stupid because my maximum is always 750e.
Because of that I hurry so much on K|NGP|N Edition...I would be really jerk to miss such offer.
That was fantastic chance for me for 765e, GK110 2880 CUDA + high clock.
I would like if NVIDIA drop price little.
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