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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/07 12:26:42 (permalink)
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Anand is the only way saything such things though, and I don't trust his site havn't since the Geforce 6/7 debacle 


*Ugh* I don't agree with you, Anandtech is known to be one of the most neutral websites around, in fact other websites also showed similar results, for your information I am neutral and I don't care who is faster or not, it's mainly the facts that matter to me and here on this case.
Even on the overall max performance NVIDIA like AMD/ATI have both been challenged and beaten several times.
 
You seem that you want the Geforce cards to be faster, even at some case is, they simply are not faster.
The real fact comes clear when it's about Price/Performance of a similar class, this is where the R9 290X crushes the GTX 780 Ti:
 
Radeon R9 290X pricing:
http://tweakers.net/categorie/49/videokaarten/producten/#filter:q1bKL0pJLXLLTM1JUbJSKijKzCpW0oEIBucXlQDFEouT4SIFqcmeQHW6hjogpcmpvpl5SlYGOkrFQAm3zJyS1KJiJatqJSMjEFmWmKNkFa1kbmxspBRbW1sLAA
Cheapest R9 290X = Club3D Radeon R9 290X 4GB EUR 389,-
 
Geforce GTX 780 Ti Pricing:
http://tweakers.net/categorie/49/videokaarten/producten/#filter:q1bKL0pJLXLLTM1JUbJSKijKzCpW0oEIBucXlQDFEouT4SIFqcmeQHW6hjogpcmpvpl5SlYGOkrFQAm3zJyS1KJiJatqJSMjEFmWmKNkFa1kbmxhqhRbW1sLAA
Cheapest GTX 780 Ti = Gigabyte GV-N78TWF3-3GD  EUR: 560,-
So EUR 560,- Minus EUR 389,- = EUR 171, hereby the R9 290X crushes the GTX 780 Ti, mainly due to a much better price/performance ratio.
 
That being for the same performance you can be 171 euro's cheaper with a Radeon R9 290X over a GeForce GTX 780 Ti, drivers are solid with the Radeon, you can take that from me, I have systems with a GTX 480 Engineering Sample and a GTX 480 Production board they too run great, I also ran 2Way SLI with GTX 480's, 580's & 680's as Quad SLI with GTX 295 RE's & a 3dfx Voodoo5 6000.
 
Guru3D's review again 2-Way XDMA CFX R9-290X beats 2-Way SLI GTX 780Ti, even being this is an old article:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/radeon_r9_290x_crossfire_vs_sli_review_benchmarks,23.html
 
Nowadays the drivers have improved lots, thx to Cat 14.7Beta :P
 
Want a single GPU comparison? Sure no probs, just read this review Kyle Bennett made from HardOCP:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/11/11/geforce_gtx_780_ti_vs_radeon_r9_290x_4k_gaming/1#.U-PPC3h1U-U
 
As he adds on the last page in The Bottom Line part:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/11/11/geforce_gtx_780_ti_vs_radeon_r9_290x_4k_gaming/7#.U-PPLnh1U-U
 
"The statement above is very important. Though the AMD Radeon R9 290X now has competition at Ultra HD 4K display gaming, it isn't being "owned" by the GTX 780 Ti. The GTX 780 Ti, at $150 more, only equals the R9 290X. Both video cards are even, or on par with each other at Ultra HD 4K gaming."
 
So here my end verdict:
It is fine you like a or even fave a VGA card brand or a VGA card type, but I do find there is no need to hog around false information even without proving it properly 
Just saying I have proved enough for you to be wrong here and there is no crime for being wrong either, everyone should learn to accept denial and learn from it
 
 


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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/07 15:13:57 (permalink)
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GTX 880 news
I'm surprised that rjohnson11 didn't post GTX 800 series news (or did he arleady?)?
 
 


I don't post these kind of news items as they are considered to be rumors. When new items appear on the NVIDIA website or EVGA then I'll post them.


Because when a legit news article releases, it gives good info. Thank you for waiting r Johnson 11. I love watching the random numbers in this thread, as everyone tries to guess what comes next.
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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/09 10:06:06 (permalink)
When GTX880 show up, depend of performance and if GK110 price drop little while supply last,
GTX780Ti SC ACX and GTX780Ti Classified will be still excellent upgrade.
 
 

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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/11 11:43:03 (permalink)
New leaks on the 870: Link
If it is true, and the price is $350, it will be a winner for most people.
 

 
 
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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/11 12:07:08 (permalink)
We can say this is some GTX760 successor.
Only difference is because during 2013 and 2014 NVIDIA decide to offer cheaper version of professional chip as GTX780 and later we got excellent GTX780Ti only because R9-290X performance. Without nice performance of AMD only Titan Black would be launched. Because NVIDIA want to offer at least one version of free chip with all CUDA. They planned some other name as Titan Light or similar thing but than that become GTX780 and GTX780Ti.
Maybe because of that people are confused if expect GTX870 to become stronger than GTX780 or even GTX780Ti.
As GTX670 is similar or stronger than GTX580. Maybe next year GM210 came as Titan II and later as GTX890 or GTX885 or even GTX980.
 
 

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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/11 14:47:56 (permalink)
GM204 and probably 28nm... doesn't look all that appealing yet.


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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/11 20:29:45 (permalink)

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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/11 22:33:45 (permalink)
I'm still happy with my 1156 setup and my 480 HC. I can wait a few more years till the 20nm chips come into play. I really want another card that will last another 4-6 years as this one did. Ofc I would like 6-8gb Ram minimum next go around. But time will tell
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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/12 05:15:01 (permalink)
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Well looks like I am going to be holding on these dual 670s SC 4GBs for a bit longer. I am not going to buy that 800 series crap. It pisses me off that there going to make these cards with a 256bit. They are cheaping out again. Like some of you said they want to squeeze as much profit as they can. The 800 series is going to be just like the 600 series crap in which the 900 series is going to be like the 700 series. Basically the 900 series will be the 800 series true potential of power of Maxwell architecture, just as the 700 series is the true power of the 600 series of cards for Kepler architecture. The 900 series cards are supposed to be built on a 384bit just as the 700 series cards are built on. The Maxwell architecture is going to be a repeat of the Kepler architecture. From past rumors I read the 900 series of cards will produce the "Titian product" of card. 


Looks like you might be right ! (http://www.techpowerup.com/203661/nvidia-to-launch-geforce-gtx-880-in-september.html)
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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/18 14:43:55 (permalink)
and GM200 for XMAS - TITAN II
 

 
FROM GURU3D
Okay, spotted is a big word here and Titian II is just a name that is totally unconfirmed of course. But it is a trend on the web these days that people lookup shipping bills. And wccftech noticed that shipping data at Zauba.com shows that Nvidia has been moving a sample of a GPU tagged as GM200 core (yes again). Earlier in July we noticed as well. This basically means that Nvidia has taped out the early A1 revision GPUs and engineering samples. This could mean a high-end launch Maxwell GPU as soon as Christmas IF wafer yields are decent enough.
 
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvidia-gm200-(gtx-titan-ii)-spotted.html 
 
 
and from 3dcenter.org
 
message that nVidia now "Customer Samples" of the same through the area sends - which continue to carry the A1 stepping in the other, suggesting a mass production in the A1 stepping. nVidia has therefore had with the GM200 chip pretty lucky that this great chip no further steppings requires up to full production maturity, so the time between tape-out and launch may be less than expected. Currently, the GM200 chip is just back half to two months behind GM204 chip - what if the GM204 chip can hold his kolportiertes launch date of September, could amount to a November launch of GM204 chips. Even if it is a little later (the GM200 chip is much larger and more complex), nVidia could still keep the recently indirectly called by nVidia launch target of the end of 2014 at the end. Whether we will however see a "GeForce GTX Titan II" later this year, making it not said - nVidia could first only bring the GM200 chip for the professional segment and the consumer versions then until the new year.
 
http://www.3dcenter.org/news/hardware-und-nachrichten-links-des-1617-august-2014 
 
so there is NO NEW REVISION OF GM200 ..it works great and are they producing it and ramping up for general production
 
they are producing customer samples already for Titan II.....NOT US... for mainframe high end Tesla cards
and won't be selling them until fab supply is up - server market first
once the server market demand is met then any extra supply comes our way
 
 
and from WCCFtech (which i Don't rely on)
 
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gm200-core-titan-ii-soon/ 
 
The real kicker is reading the identifier
in the past it was GM200 - INT -A1  (INT-  for internal testing)
it's now GM200 - CS- A1 ( CS- Customer supply or Customer Sample)
 
So titan II on the way
 
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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/18 17:22:35 (permalink)
Hope and hype only fuel more hope and hype, there is an actual demand for rumors, which means people can make stuff up just to feed us.  It takes a particular analysis to find truth in lies, so to speak, but most people that read rumors don't investigate the paper-trail to see which sources refer to each other.  I'm not saying ignore the stuff, although it is the safest bet, just saying rumors are (by definition) not reliable.
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We can say this is some GTX760 successor.
The only way I could agree is if nVidia feels threatened by AMD in some way to push a preemptive strike.  I just don't see much rumor beyond the upcoming 2048-sp Tonga-XT and therefore skeptical of any need to push a high-end 28nm Maxwell anytime soon.  I'm not saying nVidia doesn't have GTX870/880 on the drawing board, just available AMD rumors don't imply a need to debut counterattacks yet. 

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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/18 22:47:32 (permalink)
Nvidia pulls the same crap as last time, selling a 760 as a 780 (Go read, I dont want to explain) Im sticking to my 60's, screw $500 or more for a 880(aka 860) then turn around and sell the true 880 as a Ti or Titan for $1K,
 
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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/18 22:56:00 (permalink)
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Nvidia pulls the same crap as last time, selling a 760 as a 780 (Go read, I dont want to explain) Im sticking to my 60's, screw $500 or more for a 880(aka 860) then turn around and sell the true 880 as a Ti or Titan for $1K,
 
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No threat from AMD leaves Nvidia the option to do whatever they want. Yes the 290x came out finally and we saw the 780 reduce price. Then the 780ti came out and now 880's are coming out. AMD has yet to get a loan for a 300 series as of last month, they may have found a loan by now.  No AMD is not to blame, yes the blame is in Nvidia, but why not milk the consumer when there is nothing to challenge you. Even the richest people and companies are still greedy for money.
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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/18 23:13:59 (permalink)
Might end getting myself a set of 760's 256bit after all.
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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/19 04:28:37 (permalink)
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Nvidia pulls the same crap as last time, selling a 760 as a 780 (Go read, I dont want to explain) Im sticking to my 60's, screw $500 or more for a 880(aka 860) then turn around and sell the true 880 as a Ti or Titan for $1K,
 
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People like to say that about the 680 (which it didnt happen, but I already explained that how many times) but the 780? Yea your talking out of your ass.
 
GK100 was not released in ANY form. 
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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/19 05:47:21 (permalink)
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Nvidia pulls the same crap as last time, selling a 760 as a 780 (Go read, I dont want to explain) Im sticking to my 60's, screw $500 or more for a 880(aka 860) then turn around and sell the true 880 as a Ti or Titan for $1K,
 
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People like to say that about the 680 (which it didnt happen, but I already explained that how many times) but the 780? Yea your talking out of your ass.
 
GK100 was not released in ANY form. 




I think that knightsilver tried to said that they sold a midrange card as a high end one. But you are right, that happened with the 600 series, nor the 700.

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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/19 06:05:44 (permalink)
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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/19 08:35:59 (permalink)
Nerds.... Nerds Everywhere.

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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/20 18:16:51 (permalink)
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Nerds.... Nerds Everywhere.


hah, both these companies are bleeding our wallets at this point. 
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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/22 20:31:10 (permalink)

 
As one of the authors(Mike Clark works at nVidia, should the case quoted figures are not based on rumors or similar third party sources, but in fact directly from nVidia come - of course with respect to the future chips with the uncertainty whether this new date and technologically everything so hinbekommt as planned, but it is still better than any other source.
 
from 3dcenter.org
 
Gk210 is a new efficient gk110 - going to be used for tesla and quadro primarily
don't expect them for retail with maxwell incoming
 
also leaked  ...it would be "REAL EARLY" first quarter at the latest - like Jan - and the silicon came thru tape out with little problems
so they are trying to push for production out early...  like for Xmas - all depends on TSMC,  yields and volume
 
 
also don't expect a refresh of maxwell - Only the 800 series will be maxwell
 
900 series will be pascal in jan 2016 
 
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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/22 22:05:22 (permalink)
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As one of the authors(Mike Clark works at nVidia, should the case quoted figures are not based on rumors or similar third party sources, but in fact directly from nVidia come - of course with respect to the future chips with the uncertainty whether this new date and technologically everything so hinbekommt as planned, but it is still better than any other source.
 
from 3dcenter.org
 
Gk210 is a new efficient gk110 - going to be used for tesla and quadro primarily
don't expect them for retail with maxwell incoming
 
also leaked  ...it would be "REAL EARLY" first quarter at the latest - like Jan - and the silicon came thru tape out with little problems
so they are trying to push for production out early...  like for Xmas - all depends on TSMC,  yields and volume
 
 
also don't expect a refresh of maxwell - Only the 800 series will be maxwell
 
900 series will be pascal in jan 2016 
 


couodnt they simply disable cores or limit other items then release a 880ti with everythin ginlocked?
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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/23 09:55:59 (permalink)
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couodnt they simply disable cores or limit other items then release a 880ti with everythin ginlocked?

They probably could, but that would be throwing away months of sales of vanilla 880, and then iterations of 880 before they bring out the Ti model, and not with the new architecture. NVidia exists primarily to make money, like any other business that's not non-profit. Unless AMD give them a reason to be more competitive, they are going to milk this for as much profit as they can.


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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/23 12:00:48 (permalink)
just in time for my rig upgrade :) 


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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/24 13:37:07 (permalink)
I guess the GM200 first batch on 28nm will have a 384bit interface
you won't get 512bit  till later with 20nm or pascal
 
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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/25 10:03:53 (permalink)
I got a little confused towards the end of this. Are you guys  suggestioning that the new cards 800 series would be sorta like the 720-750's  Sort of like a filler until the 900 series come? I got a lonely 560 1gb.. -.- so anything would seem like a huge increase, I was hoping for the price to go down on the 780's when the 800 series comes out, but what i'm hearing it sounds like the 800 series are going to be cheaper than the 780.  Would it be wise to wait for the 900 series? 

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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/08/25 12:05:50 (permalink)
 
Well first thing is we skip GM100 series = with exception of low end GM 106 or 7 which was introduce as 700 series
My feelings it was borked like the first GK chips and why they delayed and release them late - later tape-out and a remade GK110
 
Order of manufacturing/tape-out
 
GF100  fermi -original tape-out and late GTX480
GF110 - refresh GTX580
GK100 - borked 
gk104 - release GTX680 
GK110 TITAN
GK204 GTX780
 
GM100 Borked - - my guess getting ARM to work with GPU a challenge
GM106/107/108) GTX750, 750ti,730 (why these worked - NO ARM CHIP)
 
GK210 tesla Quadro Titan refresh ( notice it come s after GM100 which was dropped)
 
GM204 Working GTX880 (with ARM)
GM200 Titan II (dual arm)
GP100 ???
 
so we wind up with GM200 series which is the refresh right off the bat
 
 
fermi 400/500
kepler 600/700
maxwell 800
pascal 900/???
 
waiting for 900 series may not be a good idea - look at the previous manufacturing issues with each new architecture/design
Each time we have delays - borked chips and re-designs and tapeouts
 
With pascal are we Gonna expect a smooth tape-out ....not likely
considering the past history of design issues and delays
 
hoping for pascal in early 2016 maybe a pipe dream
we also have to consider it will be on 16nm and finfet ...TSMC may have all sorts of problems in processing
yields and production may not be very good at all and prices may be extremely high
 
nvidia may stave off 16nm finfet if yields and cost to high and wait until things improve -
you may have another series on 20nm (weak pascal)
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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/09/06 00:27:12 (permalink)
PC-specs has it in the pc builder APP already
 
http://www.pc-specs.com/gpu/Nvidia/900_Series/GeForce_GTX_980/1700 


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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/09/06 05:58:36 (permalink)
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PC-specs has it in the pc builder APP already
 
http://www.pc-specs.com/gpu/Nvidia/900_Series/GeForce_GTX_980/1700 


That's silly. The 880 isn't even out yet, and they are claiming the 980 is out at the end of this month? Nope.
 
That tells me all I need to know about that site.
 
 
 


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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/09/06 09:48:58 (permalink)
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PC-specs has it in the pc builder APP already
 
http://www.pc-specs.com/gpu/Nvidia/900_Series/GeForce_GTX_980/1700 


That's silly. The 880 isn't even out yet, and they are claiming the 980 is out at the end of this month? Nope.
 
That tells me all I need to know about that site.
 
 
 


Guessing you missed the talk/rumors of NVIDIA wanting to skip the 800 series in order to present a unified naming scheme between mobile and desktop parts?


 
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Re: GTX 880, 870, 860 out in October 2014/09/06 12:01:52 (permalink)
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PC-specs has it in the pc builder APP already
 
http://www.pc-specs.com/gpu/Nvidia/900_Series/GeForce_GTX_980/1700 

That's silly. The 880 isn't even out yet, and they are claiming the 980 is out at the end of this month? Nope.
 
That tells me all I need to know about that site.

Guessing you missed the talk/rumors of NVIDIA wanting to skip the 800 series in order to present a unified naming scheme between mobile and desktop parts?

There's been many rumors about the 800 series, but considering that the 800M series is already available (and only relatively recently) it would be contradictory that a 900 series desktop GPU is released in order to unify the naming scheme between mobile and desktop... that doesn't even make sense, unless a 900M series is going to be released at the end of this month also, virtually immediately after the 800M series.. This would be contrary to the way NVidia has operated for years. If anything, they will draw out the 800 series (mobile and desktop) as long as they can, unless AMD come up with something competitive enough to push NVidia forward..
 
If the rumor was there would be no new desktop series until mid 2015, then I could perhaps believe NVidia skipping an 800 desktop series and launching a 900 series for both desktop and mobile, but launching a different numbered series desktop now in order to unify it with a recently released mobile series but giving it a different series number? LMAO! Surely you can see how nonsensical that claim is?
 
 
 
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