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2014/08/19 04:05:52 (permalink)
My '91 black Fox restore thread! Welcome!


Stuff that will be done eventually.
Replace windshield (giant crack).
Steering wheel. (extremely worn).
Entire interior replaced (except seats).
Drop down dome light causes fuse to instantly pop.
Both headlights and tail lights need to be replaced.
A/C needs to be repaired, and recharged.



Things done thus far:
Cleaned interior of makup/dirt. Must have gotten 10LBS of makeup off the steering wheel, climate control, door, etc etc.
Power steering pump was making a god awful noise when turning, and the fluid was as thick as mud and black as used oil, so I changed that and it's still making noise, but sounds much better.
Spark plug change.
Replaced headlight/DRL switch, was stuck in the 'on' position.
Cap and rotor change.
MAF sensor cleaning.
Throttle body cleaning (was super bad).
New air filter.
Replaced hatch. Was rusted through at the bottom of the windshield between the windshield and wing. It's red now.
Passenger side exhaust replaced. Had a hole from hitting a speed bump way too hard.
Rear brakes adjusted.
Replaced broken tail light. Was backed into a pole (not me). Caused no damage to bumper.
4.10 rear end.
KYB shocks in the rear
SVE CAI.
Replaced speedo cable (fixed bouncing speedo.
Rear control arms.
New pony rims.
Changed brakes.
Adjusted rear brakes.
BBK Equal length tube headers (With stage 8 bolts).
140 AMP Powermaster alternator.
Adjusted TV cable.
Changed fuel filter.
Replaced most vacuum tubing with red silicone hose.
Replaced smog pump.
Adjusted TPS to .96v.
 
 

Future mods.
70MM throttle body.
Electric fan conversion.
AOD 'hold' Valve body for better AOD trans/launch control.

Current project: Find a fin engine.

Some pics.




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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/19 12:48:47 (permalink)
    I seen the car when you originally posted getting it. It looked like a pretty good base for a nice project. You mentioned the battery drain, I am wondering if maybe alarm or something like it is the culprit.
    Also the battery may not be able to hold a charge. Hope not batteries can be a bit pricey compared to a year - year 1/2 it seems. Enjoy your project!  
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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/20 02:24:00 (permalink)
    Well I didn't get as much done as I wanted to, as I couldn't find the replacement seatbelt. I'm going to get a replacement tail light from pick a part tomorrow morning. There were fingernails on the floor. What. The. Hell.
     
    After looking at the after cleaning pics, it doesn't really serve my work justice. It's way, way cleaner then it was, it's not something I would eat off of, but I would at least feel comfortable driving bare foot.
     
    P.S I found that drivers side floor mat in the back of the car lol, it was soooo messy back there, so much trash.
     
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    notfordman
    I seen the car when you originally posted getting it. It looked like a pretty good base for a nice project. You mentioned the battery drain, I am wondering if maybe alarm or something like it is the culprit.
    Also the battery may not be able to hold a charge. Hope not batteries can be a bit pricey compared to a year - year 1/2 it seems. Enjoy your project!  


     
    This is what I honestly think it is. The alarm won't arm, and I am praying to god that it is the alarm, and that's what is keeping the doors from locking, but I doubt it. The unlock solenoid could also be frozen in the 'unlock' position which would be way more to fix and much more disappointing. 
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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/20 02:45:21 (permalink)
    To be honest I say dont waste your time in "restoring" or "upgrading" that stang. I am sure your going to spend a lot more on parts that what the car is worth with the list of problems you have. Just use that money on your civic. But hey, there is still always the possibility you can find what you need for cheap.


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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/20 02:51:54 (permalink)
    HAZMAN_THE_GREAT
    To be honest I say dont waste your time in "restoring" or "upgrading" that stang. I am sure your going to spend a lot more on parts that what the car is worth with the list of problems you have. Just use that money on your civic. But hey, there is still always the possibility you can find what you need for cheap.


    I found a replacement hatch for only 75 bucks. There are a ton of these Mustangs laying around being parted out. I plan on dropping 15-20k into this car in the long run. It's about what I would spend on a new mustang and I absolutely love this body style. It's worth it to me personally. I found a guy selling 2 replacement doors for 100$ for both and they are 100% working. The only things I want to do to my civic now are fix the front end from the previous owner bumping into a trailer hitch of a pickup and a repaint. I'm done with it otherwise.

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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/20 03:31:04 (permalink)
    Baltothewolf
    HAZMAN_THE_GREAT
    To be honest I say dont waste your time in "restoring" or "upgrading" that stang. I am sure your going to spend a lot more on parts that what the car is worth with the list of problems you have. Just use that money on your civic. But hey, there is still always the possibility you can find what you need for cheap.


    I found a replacement hatch for only 75 bucks. There are a ton of these Mustangs laying around being parted out. I plan on dropping 15-20k into this car in the long run. It's about what I would spend on a new mustang and I absolutely love this body style. It's worth it to me personally. I found a guy selling 2 replacement doors for 100$ for both and they are 100% working. The only things I want to do to my civic now are fix the front end from the previous owner bumping into a trailer hitch of a pickup and a repaint. I'm done with it otherwise.


    Man you really going to spend 15K-20K on that? I would not even spend 15K on my Cobra. Plus You cant find a new mustang for 20K. Starting price is $23,600 on Ford's website and thats a basic boring V6 model. Then lets not forget you have to pay your taxes on the car and buy the title too. But ya people sure do have their preference on what body style they like. I like the style I have cause its not to heavy like the current bodies and not to fugly like the Fox body(sorry bro I just dont dig it).


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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/20 04:01:33 (permalink)
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    To be honest I say dont waste your time in "restoring" or "upgrading" that stang. I am sure your going to spend a lot more on parts that what the car is worth with the list of problems you have. Just use that money on your civic. But hey, there is still always the possibility you can find what you need for cheap.


    I found a replacement hatch for only 75 bucks. There are a ton of these Mustangs laying around being parted out. I plan on dropping 15-20k into this car in the long run. It's about what I would spend on a new mustang and I absolutely love this body style. It's worth it to me personally. I found a guy selling 2 replacement doors for 100$ for both and they are 100% working. The only things I want to do to my civic now are fix the front end from the previous owner bumping into a trailer hitch of a pickup and a repaint. I'm done with it otherwise.


    Man you really going to spend 15K-20K on that? I would not even spend 15K on my Cobra. Plus You cant find a new mustang for 20K. Starting price is $23,600 on Ford's website and thats a basic boring V6 model. Then lets not forget you have to pay your taxes on the car and buy the title too. But ya people sure do have their preference on what body style they like. I like the style I have cause its not to heavy like the current bodies and not to fugly like the Fox body(sorry bro I just dont dig it).


    Well I plan on doing pretty much what a friend of mine did to his, 6 speed manual, supercharger, + a bunch of other stuff, comes out to around 20k. I got the car for free so I figure if I put 20k into it and restore it to 100% new then I basically bought a new car. And I understand, a lot of people don't like the Foxies, and I can respect that, I personally don't like anything over 1994, I think they are fugly haha.
     
    Opps forgot to mention, it's only gonna cost about 2-3k to get it into full running order. The other money is going to be for the aforementioned mods.
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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/20 04:40:00 (permalink)
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    To be honest I say dont waste your time in "restoring" or "upgrading" that stang. I am sure your going to spend a lot more on parts that what the car is worth with the list of problems you have. Just use that money on your civic. But hey, there is still always the possibility you can find what you need for cheap.


    I found a replacement hatch for only 75 bucks. There are a ton of these Mustangs laying around being parted out. I plan on dropping 15-20k into this car in the long run. It's about what I would spend on a new mustang and I absolutely love this body style. It's worth it to me personally. I found a guy selling 2 replacement doors for 100$ for both and they are 100% working. The only things I want to do to my civic now are fix the front end from the previous owner bumping into a trailer hitch of a pickup and a repaint. I'm done with it otherwise.


    Man you really going to spend 15K-20K on that? I would not even spend 15K on my Cobra. Plus You cant find a new mustang for 20K. Starting price is $23,600 on Ford's website and thats a basic boring V6 model. Then lets not forget you have to pay your taxes on the car and buy the title too. But ya people sure do have their preference on what body style they like. I like the style I have cause its not to heavy like the current bodies and not to fugly like the Fox body(sorry bro I just dont dig it).


    Well I plan on doing pretty much what a friend of mine did to his, 6 speed manual, supercharger, + a bunch of other stuff, comes out to around 20k. I got the car for free so I figure if I put 20k into it and restore it to 100% new then I basically bought a new car. And I understand, a lot of people don't like the Foxies, and I can respect that, I personally don't like anything over 1994, I think they are fugly haha.
     
    Opps forgot to mention, it's only gonna cost about 2-3k to get it into full running order. The other money is going to be for the aforementioned mods.



    What counts the most is whatever makes you happy. But just think about it before you do it. With that 20K you can buy your self a 2003 Cobra like mine. By the way what car did you friend have? Are you referring to a Fox boy as well that he supercharged? The only really good thing I see about a Fox body is that its the lightest body of all the stangs.


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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/20 05:10:18 (permalink)
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    To be honest I say dont waste your time in "restoring" or "upgrading" that stang. I am sure your going to spend a lot more on parts that what the car is worth with the list of problems you have. Just use that money on your civic. But hey, there is still always the possibility you can find what you need for cheap.


    I found a replacement hatch for only 75 bucks. There are a ton of these Mustangs laying around being parted out. I plan on dropping 15-20k into this car in the long run. It's about what I would spend on a new mustang and I absolutely love this body style. It's worth it to me personally. I found a guy selling 2 replacement doors for 100$ for both and they are 100% working. The only things I want to do to my civic now are fix the front end from the previous owner bumping into a trailer hitch of a pickup and a repaint. I'm done with it otherwise.


    Man you really going to spend 15K-20K on that? I would not even spend 15K on my Cobra. Plus You cant find a new mustang for 20K. Starting price is $23,600 on Ford's website and thats a basic boring V6 model. Then lets not forget you have to pay your taxes on the car and buy the title too. But ya people sure do have their preference on what body style they like. I like the style I have cause its not to heavy like the current bodies and not to fugly like the Fox body(sorry bro I just dont dig it).


    Well I plan on doing pretty much what a friend of mine did to his, 6 speed manual, supercharger, + a bunch of other stuff, comes out to around 20k. I got the car for free so I figure if I put 20k into it and restore it to 100% new then I basically bought a new car. And I understand, a lot of people don't like the Foxies, and I can respect that, I personally don't like anything over 1994, I think they are fugly haha.
     
    Opps forgot to mention, it's only gonna cost about 2-3k to get it into full running order. The other money is going to be for the aforementioned mods.



    What counts the most is whatever makes you happy. But just think about it before you do it. With that 20K you can buy your self a 2003 Cobra like mine. By the way what car did you friend have? Are you referring to a Fox boy as well that he supercharged? The only really good thing I see about a Fox body is that its the lightest body of all the stangs.


    Yea, he had a beautiful 1993 that was a baby blue, with same color interior (he had that custom made). I say had because he wrapped it around a pole at 120 and killed himself. And yes, the Foxie is the lightest of the mustangs. I think he put close to 25k in his after all was said and done. I can't quite remember.
     
    [Edit]: I believe mine is just shy of 3,000. Which is light as my civic is 2,200.
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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/20 18:10:01 (permalink)
    Ahh, This is the 'Stang! Awesome!
     
    When we're done with our cars we can go for a mustang canyon cruise, My friend is also working on fixing his '97 mustang and we know a bunch of Mustang clubs around here that host events if you're down.

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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/21 00:28:43 (permalink)
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    Ahh, This is the 'Stang! Awesome!
     
    When we're done with our cars we can go for a mustang canyon cruise, My friend is also working on fixing his '97 mustang and we know a bunch of Mustang clubs around here that host events if you're down.


    Hell yea! Cosmetically I'm hoping to be fully done, including a repaint by the end of this year. It definitely seems possible. By the end of next year I want to have the motor rebuilt or the 6-speed tranny dropped in, it depends if the motor is still in good health (I'm going to do a compression test in the next 5 months or so). The repaint is only going to cost me 600, rims 400, door panels 300, drivers side door handle 45, carpet, if I even need to replace it, 175, and windshield which is 150 and that's it. Past that everything just needs to be scrubbed down, as for the steering wheel, I think a nice black steering wheel cover with "Ford" symbols on it will do. At least the cruise control still works in it, that's a major plus.
     
    [Edit]: Tomorrows project is a bath, she is extremely dirty and is desperate need of one. It just rained today so yea.
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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/21 08:07:39 (permalink)
    Fox Body is best body. I miss my '85 hatchback.
     
    Had to sell it before I moved to Cali. Thing would have never passed smog, due to all of the emissions kit "falling" off.
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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/21 11:00:14 (permalink)
    I like the FoxBox's myself. Just dont dump cash into it Wolf, $5K would make a fun ride. You will never get your cash or time back. Even the classics are hard to sell, and get ur cash/time back or let alone profit in this current crap we'er in.
     
    Just have fun with it, just clean it up, street legal, good suspension, and those 5.0's dont need alot to make em fun as heck!
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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/22 00:47:21 (permalink)
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    I like the FoxBox's myself. Just dont dump cash into it Wolf, $5K would make a fun ride. You will never get your cash or time back. Even the classics are hard to sell, and get ur cash/time back or let alone profit in this current crap we'er in.
     
    Just have fun with it, just clean it up, street legal, good suspension, and those 5.0's dont need alot to make em fun as heck!


    I'm never going to sell it. This car has been owned by the family since it's original purchase, and I don't plan on selling it ever. Anyway...

    I did a hell of a lot more then I planned today. I walked outside to wash her and then I decided to go to pick a part, was an extreme success, I found the plastic trim for the hood, rear tail light and passenger side wiper arm, with a wiper. Got home and got it put on and it looks good. Then my little bro and I went to the store in search of Plasti dip, and he convinced me to put the red hatch on! So we did that and then I realized I don't have the key to the hatch, and you can't pop the hatch from the inside of the car so we removed the latch from the car. What a day! I'm at work now so I'll post pictures when I get home. I like it with the red hatch, I think I'm going to keep it like it is, just have it painted a dark, dark red when I do the repaint.

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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/22 07:07:59 (permalink)
    Here are some pics, I also forgot to mention, but I creamed a 2013 challenger as well yesterday.
     
     
    Also I didn't notice it until now, but if you look under my dads brown corolla in the second picture, you will notice a long wet streak, that's how bad it's leaking oil. It leaked all that oil after only 2 days of sitting in the driveway.
     
    Crap another side-note! I found a set of red doors in perfect condition for 40$, it's the same guy I bought the hatch from lol. I'm just going to plasti-dip the doors black for now. I'll go pick them up tomorrow or the day after. I am kinda worried if it will mess with the alarm system though? Anyone have any input on that?
     
    Old hatch off haha!

     
    'New' hatch after 3 hours of work, my little bro and I are new at this sort of thing, so we took it extremely slow to make sure we didn't break anything.

     
    Hatch up!
     

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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/22 13:33:50 (permalink)
    Looking good! I actually like the red and black combo lol.

     
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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/22 13:54:57 (permalink)
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    Looking good! I actually like the red and black combo lol.

    Same here, I think the red is a little to bright of a shade but it still looks good, and goes with the name of the car 'black widow'.

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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/22 13:56:15 (permalink)
    I got one problems here Wolf! You didnt get me a FoxBox!
     
    The FoxBox's were an awesome inexpensive great fun car, all I was saying, you wont have to spend alot.
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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/22 14:03:38 (permalink)
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    I got one problems here Wolf! You didnt get me a FoxBox!
     
    The FoxBox's were an awesome inexpensive great fun car, all I was saying, you wont have to spend alot.


    I may not end up spending all that money in the long run. I do want to do a manual swap in the future, as for the motor, I may just wait until it dies and then when I rebuild it, upgrade the internals since I'll have it apart anyway.
     
    [Edit]: Also, how do you get old, old glue residue off? It's not the sticky kind of residue, but more of a hard substance. When my cousins mother backed the car into a pole and broke the tail light, she put some tape on it and that happened. I don't want to scratch up the paint trying to get it off, but conventional means of getting glue off won't work. Any ideas?
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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/22 17:18:17 (permalink)
    If your going to do a manual tray swap, Id do that first thing. Id also do, sway bars, bushings and adjustable shocks/struts. Parts might be harder to find later on.
     
    You got a EFI 302 5.0?
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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/22 20:24:49 (permalink)
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    You got a EFI 302 5.0?




    It is a '91 so yes.
     
    May I ask what your plans are long term for this car?  More focussed on a good handling car in the corners, or more of a street/strip beast.
     
    It is really starting to take shape.  I have some idea's for you if you are interested and you can learn from my mistakes.  I built a pretty mean '92 GT at one time. 

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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/22 20:35:47 (permalink)
    While I love mustangs I like my Firebirds more... Pontiac had a way with cars no others had.... Looks pretty good though I personally like SN95 over the Fox bodies... My 94 GT (94 & 5 were last GTs to have 5.0 in it) is dying for a rebuild... Need to replace the clutch as well...
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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/22 21:03:00 (permalink)
    Oh, and my advice would be to just let the engine and transmission be....but find and stop that oil leak.....and make sure timing is set to as close to 13 degrees BTDC as she can handle......when I picked up my mustang it was set at 8 degrees and was a slug.
     
    Do everything else on the car that you want to do......but the entire time keep your eyes out for a Coyote engine/6-speed tranny combo.  Check wreckers, junk yards, on-line, wherever you can......but find one.
     
    The stock 5.0L from yesteryear makes 225hp in stock form......the coyote in stock form makes at least 412hp.  
     
    With a UPR K-member and new motor mounts the coyote will drop right in.  http://www.uprproducts.com/mustang-pro-series-chrome-moly-k-member-kit-79-coyote.html
     
     

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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/23 02:00:59 (permalink)
    Sorry at work so I can't quote, but I would love your advice kaninja. And to answer your question...

    Keep it as close to stock looking as possible. I would love to raise the compression whenever it is I do rebuild the motor and then slap a supercharger but other then that, nothing really in the way of super performance. I'm already driving this more then my civic because it's just a joy to cruise around in. Even in its not so pretty condition I get constant compliments everywhere I go, and everyone turns their head and looks. Everyone haha.

    The idle seems a little odd to me tbh. Maybe I'm just not used to an idling V8 but, it just doesn't seem right. Not to mention the idle RPM fluctuates. Not a lot mind you, maybe only 50-100RPM, but it is enough for my ears to pick up and hear. I'm gonna grab some techron and throw it in the tank to clean the injectors and see if that helps. It helped my civic when it's idle was fluctuating.

    [Edit]: This motor does have 192,853 miles on it, so she is getting old.
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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/23 07:37:21 (permalink)
    If you going higher  compression, thought about just doing a strocker longblock, new heads or just do a P&P(port and polish, done right) with proper head rebuild?
     
    Not sure if you can still find good 302 longblock parts, but use too, you could do a stroker setup pretty cheap_ish? Plus new pistions/rings & flywheel, and those are only like $600ea_ish. Almost better off getting a Rotating Assembly Kits for less than $2K, if you cant find good used parts.
     
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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/23 08:08:59 (permalink)
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    If you going higher  compression, thought about just doing a strocker longblock, new heads or just do a P&P(port and polish, done right) with proper head rebuild?
     
    Not sure if you can still find good 302 longblock parts, but use too, you could do a stroker setup pretty cheap_ish? Plus new pistions/rings & flywheel, and those are only like $600ea_ish. Almost better off getting a Rotating Assembly Kits for less than $2K, if you cant find good used parts.
     


    Tbh everything you just said is alien talk to me haha. I'm still learning about cars, I do have the basics down but Yea. I'm trying to keep the original engine if possible, I'm not going for a drag beast, I just want to add some more power to what I already have. I would like to get 400-450hp out of what I currently have.

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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/23 08:23:02 (permalink)
    try this: "Wow, you guys got white hair nows, Im showing my age!
     
    http://www.powerblocktv.com/episode/HP2013-02/building-an-efi-ford-331#.U_ixs_ldUfY
     
    http://www.powerblocktv.com/episode/HP2013-02/building-an-efi-ford-331#.U_i2EfldUfa
     
    powerblock
     
    Search for  BUILDING AN EFI FORD 331 or  EFI 302 5.0  how to stroker
     
    You can do a stroker shortblock build, and reuse ur stock EFI and stock rebuilt heads.
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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/23 08:38:14 (permalink)
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    try this: "Wow, you guys got white hair nows, Im showing my age!
     
    http://www.powerblocktv.c...-ford-331#.U_ixs_ldUfY
     
    Search for  BUILDING AN EFI FORD 331


    Says invalid link?

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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/23 08:43:46 (permalink)
    Try those Wolf?
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    Re: Black Widow rebuild/restore thread. 2014/08/23 08:51:35 (permalink)
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    Try those Wolf?

    Now those work. I'm gonna go to bed I'm exhausted I just got home from work. I'll look at that when I get up, thanks!

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