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2014/08/21 21:58:23 (permalink)
Hi all my mom is shopping for a new tv 
is 4k worth it right now  or is it still to soon we found a 49in lg for under 1700
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX51365
 
would like to know if any one has a 4k tv and do you like it 
 
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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/21 23:17:49 (permalink)
    Since 4K programming isn't going to happen for quite some time you don't have to buy a 4K TV. However, if you decide not to buy a 4K TV then purchase a full HD LCD/LED TV with a very good refresh rate. Plasma uses more electricity so I tend to stay away from Plasma. 

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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/22 07:37:20 (permalink)
    RJ is right that there is very little actual 4K content right now.  The only two sources I know of are Sony's 4K box which only works with Sony's 4K TV's and Netflix is experimenting with 4K content.  Not to mention that they are already working on 8K.



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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/22 08:13:39 (permalink)
    IMHO - not worth it.  There is almost no 4K content to look at. Early adopters usually get screwed.
     
    Just get a nice lcd 240 hz or a plasma.
     
     

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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/22 08:37:39 (permalink)
    I agree.  Not worth it at the moment.  You can find a very nice LED with a great refresh rate for a good price these days.  I would stay away from Plasma due to having to white/color wash once a week.


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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/22 08:45:03 (permalink)
    There are more important things you should consider aside from resolution especially at that size. Aside from no content, unless you are planning on sitting less than 5 feet away, you won't see the difference. Sometime soon, I will post my new 1080P 3d projector and 100" screen so you can see that you can go pretty big with 1080P before you see much benefit of going 4K. Unless your mom is a crazy videophile or sits RIGHT in front of it, you would be better of buying something else. What is her seating distance and size limit? Ambient light? Does she need a smart tv?
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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/22 08:56:36 (permalink)
    while 4k is not readily available from your cable company it is available from sony (which owns alot of movie and TV holdings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Pictures_Entertainment ) there player is 699.00 but it is intended to be used with a sony 4k tv. i have watched a few movies in 4k and all i can say is wow. 

                                   
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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/22 09:06:02 (permalink)
    While there isn't much 4K content available yet that doesn't really matter to some people.
     
    The truth is that all the best image quality televisions are now 4K models so to someone who is a videophile and cares about having a high quality display image (color, blacks levels, contrast, motion), they are going to be looking at 4K models even if all they are going to watch is 1080p content for now.
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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/22 09:27:09 (permalink)
    Not saying anything bad about LG but you can take a cheap Seiki 4K set and a quality 720P set is going to look better. Unless you are going to be buying a big tv and want to be an early adopter for hype and love spending money, don't bother. You are looking at a 49" tv; there are literally 100s of examples where, unless you are sitting right in front of it, you will not see a difference. Normally, I would agree and say to get a plasma but since no one is hardly producing them anymore, that's a big risk. I am slightly bias since I had a Panasonic Plasma and it crapped out shortly after warranty. While I agree that the newer 4k tvs will have some better features and some better advancements in technology, that doesn't necessarily translate to better picture quality. Most of the 4k panels are still utilizing a light source that is inherently not uniform. Local dimming, edge lit and all these other "tricks" are great band aids but it is still a flawed design. While I have some slight reservations about the graph below, it is pretty much spot on. People go to best buy or where-ever and go right up to a 4k tv and get "wowed" but in real life, you aren't going to have your couch 3 feet away with cranked settings and perfect source material.                                        Here is a cool calculator that even allows you to modify your eyes and shows how much benefit you gain from changing screen size. A little easier to understand than the graph for some people... 
    http://referencehometheat...mentary/4k-calculator/
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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/22 09:39:34 (permalink)
    i have viewed 4k from about 15ft away on a 48.5" sony x850b and it was amazing, viewing a sony 50" 1080 from the same distance with the same exact programing with factory default settings (tweaking is always needed for the surroundings since ambient light plays a big difference in picture) and the sony 4k was very noticeably better. since in my line of work i get to see all the tricks that are used in display setups for the wow factor i can assure you none was used in this setting.   

                                   
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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/22 09:50:57 (permalink)
    I could argue the opposite but there are tons of variables that could contribute each way. Sony used to make some great sets back in the day, they just started uping their game again so it's hard to say. I've seen some crap 1080P sets from Sony a few years but if you are comparing apples to apples, a person with 20/20 vision is only going to differentiate pixel density and detail only so much at so far away.
    Not saying that the 4k tv you saw wasn't better than the 1080p for you or for anyone else but what I am saying is that the math doesn't lie, the picture quality was effected by things other than the panels resolution. One golf ball is going to look the same as 2 golf balls grouped together a few hundred feet up in a helicopter.
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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/22 10:14:01 (permalink)
    I have a 50" Panasonic Plasma 1080 and I have no problems with it. Purchased 3 years ago. Minimal input delay with my NES and N64. Not as fast as CRT, but I haven't found an LED or LCD that comes this close.
    They do run hotter and use more electricity, but is a wonderful display.
     
    http://www.cnet.com/news/lg-wins-value-electronics-shootout-2014/
     
    OLED is the next "greatest" display. Unfortunately the price is too high at the moment.

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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/22 10:25:42 (permalink)
    LJennings
    I have a 50" Panasonic Plasma 1080 and I have no problems with it. Purchased 3 years ago. Minimal input delay with my NES and N64. Not as fast as CRT, but I haven't found an LED or LCD that comes this close.
    They do run hotter and use more electricity, but is a wonderful display.
     
    http://www.cnet.com/news/lg-wins-value-electronics-shootout-2014/
     
    OLED is the next "greatest" display. Unfortunately the price is too high at the moment.


     I hope yours keeps running. Mine hit the 3 year mark and the panel crapped out. Panasonic wouldn't budge to help me. They are good looking displays. If I could pick a perfect setup, it would be OLED but I think we have a while before they can do a big Oled display for a decent price. I would love a 4K 3d LED/laser based front projector with over 2500 Lumens when they can do that for less than 5 grand.
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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/22 14:08:30 (permalink)
    Im partial Samsung panels. 
     
    Wish would see a PLS panel TV, even at 1080p/5rs, motion blur, would be nice!
     
    You can get nice 1080p $500-$800, if ya shop around, older model, or catch a sell, prefer Amazon Seller myself. And save that $900_ish in the bank, or groceries/food storage.
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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/22 17:23:41 (permalink)
    I just recently purchased a Samsung 60" H7150 and I love it.  With all the video inputs calibrated, it has a very nice picture quality.  I was considering the 4K TV sets as well, but the price was out of my reach.  The 4K sets from Sony and Samsung are nice too, it is like the 1080 revolution all over again, expect in 4K. 

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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/22 20:11:14 (permalink)
    so the link to the 4k tv is no good 
    not the link but the tv  and  we know  that 4k stuff is not out  but what about 1080p up scaled to 4k or the blu-ray movie remastered in 4k 
     
    mom just does not want to buy a tv in 1080 and have to  buy another a year latter for 4k
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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/22 20:43:13 (permalink)
    That is a great tv but it will be awhile before 4k is common. Just look at blu ray sales for 2013... they are being dwarfed by streaming services. For a 4k signal  (compressed and @24fps) you would need a connection speed of 41MB/s  and uncompressed would be just under 700MB/s. My math could be wrong but I think a T3 line is 43MB/s.... and I think I remember reading that a normal full length movie would be in the neighborhood of 40gigs a movie if downloaded. So unless they can do some super compresson trick (which kinda defeats the purpose) or they start making 10 terabyte hard drives for cheaps, I don't see it as a viable option yet. As far as disks go, look how much a blu ray costs compared to a standard dvd. I can't see people spending 50     bucks for a movie especially the crap hollywood has been rehashing latley. Thats just my 8 cents. Unless your mom just loves spending money, I'd say go for a bigger 1080p or wait. If you want cutting edge, your wallet is going to bleed.
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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/22 22:57:33 (permalink)
     
    Too bad you don't have a Fry's near you. Tomorrow, Saturday only, they are paying the sales tax on all 4K TV's.

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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/24 17:29:20 (permalink)
    Dang, missed out on the event.  Will keep an eye out for future promotions. 
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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/24 18:16:27 (permalink)

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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/25 18:08:22 (permalink)
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    I would get this instead:
    http://www.rakuten.com/pr...ed-hdtv/266838997.html


    Hi why the Samsung over the lg I see it bigger  for one it not 3d and we have a lot of 3d movies
    and we read good reviews on the lg 
    and we not buying a tv to up grade or tv went in the family room  that why mom don't want to buy a 1080p and have to dish out more money down the road
     
    http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/49ub850v-201406033786.htm#update 
     
    they gave it a bad review but after  the firmware up date  they said it fix a lot of stuff and now they gave it a good review
     
     
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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/26 21:17:56 (permalink)
    If you are just getting this TV for watching movies in regular or 3D, playing on a console capable of 1080p or just watching premium HDTV, then I wouldn't get a 4K TV. If you want it for gaming on a PC and regular entertainment, then i'd definitely get a 4K TV, cause there is plenty of content and games capable of playing at that resolution. Otherwise, it's a waste of money and you could have gotten a much bigger 1080p TV.
     
    I suggested the Samsung rather than the LG because of the review, they point out there is some tweaking to be done when you hook it up to a PC. For me, i'm waiting to see the Vizio P series 4K TV's.

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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/26 22:09:18 (permalink)
    Just get the sharp 8k tv that was at the CES this year. That way you will have a tv that is 8 times better!  Maybe they will make it with a 880 refresh rate and add 4d to it so you can smell the content too!
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    Re: 4K TV 2014/08/28 18:06:47 (permalink)
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    That is a great tv but it will be awhile before 4k is common. Just look at blu ray sales for 2013... they are being dwarfed by streaming services. For a 4k signal  (compressed and @24fps) you would need a connection speed of 41MB/s  and uncompressed would be just under 700MB/s. My math could be wrong but I think a T3 line is 43MB/s.... and I think I remember reading that a normal full length movie would be in the neighborhood of 40gigs a movie if downloaded. So unless they can do some super compresson trick (which kinda defeats the purpose) or they start making 10 terabyte hard drives for cheaps, I don't see it as a viable option yet. As far as disks go, look how much a blu ray costs compared to a standard dvd. I can't see people spending 50     bucks for a movie especially the crap hollywood has been rehashing latley. Thats just my 8 cents. Unless your mom just loves spending money, I'd say go for a bigger 1080p or wait. If you want cutting edge, your wallet is going to bleed.


    4k is about 48 to 50 gig, and even sony's 4k service is a download service, there player store a couple movies. a fast connection is a must, early adopting is never easy or cheap. personally i would just get the biggest and best 1080 TV you can afford. and all this upscaling stuff is just hooey, unless its native 4k and 48fps it will look no better than 1080. now the downscaling does work pretty well though. 

                                   
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