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Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan

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2014/08/07 02:09:45 (permalink)
Having read "EVGA Hadron Air Really loud PSU fan, even when in desktop with very little load" and various comments /solutions I thought I'd create a separate thread describing how I dealt with the problem.
 
The pitch of the the PSU fan when it gets up to speed is awful. I dont think its faulty, I just think that's the way the fan is. The fan starts off dead quiet but the lack of airflow at the bottom of the case (due to the size of it) means the PSU gets hot and ramps up the fan control. As mentioned in the other thread - one solution is simply to dial up the top exhaust fans even at low load to create more airflow (it works but the pitch of the PSU fan noise was still unpleasant at higher loads).
 
Having opened up the PSU and determined replacing it would be fairly straight forward I set out to find a quiet replacement. Trouble is the fan is 40x40x28mm (or 30mm deep, not sure as it seems to be somewhere in between..) and you cant really seem to find silent fans of that size as its only server fans of that size, not consumer (correct me if I'm wrong).
-My first solution was to try a Noctua NF-A4X10 FLX 40x40x10mm fan thinking "if I get an expensive fan, it can just move more air and be smaller". I was wrong. The fan wasn't moving any way near enough air and as a result was spinning at full speed all the time =  no real gain there :/ (to be fair that was actually just as loud as the stock PSU fan on low...)
 
-So I then bought a Scythe Mini Kaze Ultra 40x40x20mm silent fan hoping that would be enough and just as I was fitting it I started to think "what if I stack them up?" 20+10 = 30 mm right? Anyway I did that (picture below) and touch wood, it has shut my PSU up for good (even at full speed both those fans together are still quieter than the stock one in mid RPMs, and the pitch is oh so much more bearable)
 

 
This is not a cheap solution but its done the job and Im now eyeing up a 1TB SSD to get rid of the HDD spindle noise.. 
 
FYI spec is:
Core i7 4770k @ 4.3GHz
8GB corsair XMS 3 (soon to be 16) @1800MHz
Gigabyte Z87n
Gigabyte Radeon HD 7750 (I'm not a gamer, well not yet...)
2x 1TB HDD
2x 120GB SSD
 
Fans (it is dead quiet when idle, and very bearable on full speed):
2x Compucase CF-V12H Cougar (orange looks sick through the top grill ) (2x £13)
Noctua NF-A4X10 FLX + Scythe Mini Kaze Ultra  in PSU (£11 + £9)
So fairly hefty spend on fans but can you put a price on silence? well you can... 
 
Measuring sound level using an app on my phone placed in front of the case:
Baseline with computer off: 28dB
Idle with stock everything= 43dB min, max = 52db
(need to measure it again since I replaced CPU fan but it was 44db on max load and 35 idle, im guessing its around the 32 mark now idle)
 
Anyway hope this helps someone, maybe if you were hesitating as to whether you wanted to try replacing fans. 
post edited by cguesty - 2014/08/07 10:35:53
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    Jfeil
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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2014/08/07 15:25:20 (permalink)
    There's another solution that I found to be HIGHLY effective for very little cost.  I originally had the same idea as you, cguesty, that the lack of airflow in the bottom of the case was the issue.  You couldn't be more right on, brother.  I tested this theory with a solution that's been proven to work time and time again with laptops: elevate the case off of the surface about a half an inch.  Sure enough, with the case elevated from the surface it's on, the airflow in the case is much better and not only does it keep the PSU fan a lot quieter, it lowered the temps throughout the case.
     
    After confirming my theory, I installed a cheap set of self adhesive rubber feet on all 4 corners of the bottom of the case and since then, my noisy PSU fan troubles are a thing of the past.  Not only does it help with noise levels and temps, but the case feels so more more stable in its resting place now that it has a little grip at the corners.  Anyway, I suggest you give this a shot too along with your fan replacement, for such a cheap fix you'll get a lot of benefits.  Link below is the set I used, they fit the Hadron perfectly.
     
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811993013&cm_re=adhesive_rubber_feet-_-11-993-013-_-Product
     
    post edited by Jfeil - 2014/08/07 15:30:17

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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2014/08/08 00:38:22 (permalink)
    Thats awesome Jfeil! Wish I'd thought of that now... definitely going to try it
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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2014/08/12 13:00:13 (permalink)
    cguesty how has the new fan set treated you? I picked up those exact parts on Amazon yesterday, so I'll be tinkering with the PSU, too.  I'll do just about anything to quiet that high pitched noise!
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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2014/08/12 13:08:14 (permalink)
    still happy with it :). The scythe is definitely louder than the noctua (to be expected really, its bigger and cheaper) so I ended up connecting the +/- power of that to the mobo's connector for the case fans, and leaving the noctua connected to the PSU fan control. I think the PSU fan control is a bit too aggressive to be honest and that was half the problem with the stock fan.
     
    As Jfeil suggested I've now lifted the case up and that seems to have helped a bit too
     
    After all my tinkering I was tempted to flip the PSU over and take the cover off and then just let the Graphics card fan cool it, but I have no idea what the implications of that are (other than dont stick your hand in the case whilst its plugged in..) so I've left it for now.
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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2014/08/13 20:35:15 (permalink)
    Any tips on how you removed the original fan? Did you splice the wires? I was disappointed when I opened the PSU and found  the fan's wires soldered to the board!
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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2014/08/14 00:58:22 (permalink)
    sorry I really should have mentioned that in the original post. I was going to solder it on but the decided to use the OmniJoin adapters that came with the Noctua fan.
    What I did was cut the current fan wire about half way down, strip the black outer plastic and then connect it as described in the Noctua manual.
     
    For the other one I just ran the wire out of the fan cut out in the psu over the GFX card and then connected it to the Case Fan header on the mobo (as well as the case fans obviously..)
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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2014/08/17 16:26:30 (permalink)
    For those who have read this far: Please note that this most definitely voids your PSU warranty.
     
    Back on topic: Thanks for the response, cguesty!  I installed the Scythe and Noctua on Friday night...and holy guacamole -- the PSU runs really quiet! I set up the fans such that the Noctua is "behind" the Scythe, each alined properly and sitting flush (joined by black wire tape).  I cut the original fan wires at about the halfway point and spliced them. Using the supplied OmniJoin adapters, I connected the spliced wires to a 2-to-3-pin cable splitter that was supplied with the Noctua (seriously, that fan comes with some awesome stuff!).  I then connected each fan to the cable splitter, so that each fan runs off the PSU. 
     
    For those who are skeptical: Fan stacking appears to work well with these two fans.  I have the Noctua "behind" the Scythe and the airflow seems to be great. My rig draws a fair amount of power, and after playing Skyrim for 2 hours straight on max settings @1080p, the computer was silent and running cool.
     
    Core i7 4790k
    Corsair H100i
    Nvidia GTX 570
    Crucial MX100 @512 GB
    8GB RAM @ 1600 MHz 
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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2014/08/18 01:47:29 (permalink)
    Yeah probably should have mentioned the warranty thing..
    Glad it worked you for you schiffhauera! Out of interest what CPU fan are you using?
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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2014/08/18 03:35:28 (permalink)
    cguesty, I'm using a Corsair H100i to cool the CPU.  It's a super tight fit :)
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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2014/08/18 03:53:52 (permalink)
    Have you got that mounted at the top instead of the 2x 120mm fans?
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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2014/08/18 04:20:22 (permalink)
    Installing the Corsair H100i was the first thing I did when I started the build.

    I removed both 2 x 120mm fans
    I placed the radiator inside the case.  With enough elbow grease, the H100i will snap into place above the mobo with a few cm to spare.
    I removed the top perforated cage.  
    I placed the 2 x 120mm fans on top of the case (under where the top perforated cage is).  The front fan screws in beautifully.  Not so much with the rear fan, but it's still flush with the case and impossible to move (no vibrations, either)
    I set the fans to push.
     
    I hope that's helpful.  If not, I can provide pics of the setup later today! Let me know.
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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2014/08/18 05:37:37 (permalink)
    Thanks! I think I've got the mental picture right :)
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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2014/08/18 22:34:36 (permalink)
    Sound interesting about Corsair H100i for this case. I was planning to build into this case because too small and look sexy but i'm wondering about good cpu cooler what is the best, and a lot of build over here that I've seen it was great. If you don't mind can you please give a pictures of your build. Thanks
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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2014/08/18 22:34:39 (permalink)
    And how about the  Scythe fan and noctua do you have finished picture? I'm just curious because I'm planning to build in this case . Now I'm concerning about that psu PROBLEM.
     
    post edited by tonton_pnoy - 2014/08/18 23:52:53
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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2014/08/19 14:00:20 (permalink)
    I'll try to post some pictures later tonight or this weekend!
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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2014/08/19 18:23:17 (permalink)
    thanks :)
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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2014/09/17 22:34:29 (permalink)
    !
    post edited by akhalikov - 2014/09/17 22:35:40

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    Z87 Stinger
    Evga GTX 770
    Core I7 4770K
    Corsair 128 Gb SSD
    16Gb Corsair Vengance LP
    and Evga mouse pad awaiting TorqX
     
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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2014/09/17 22:34:32 (permalink)
    Great thank you, I did exactly the same first buy noctua and tryed it as a single fan. But not much success and after reading your post get the scythe together with noctua. The result you know.

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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2015/01/01 18:01:08 (permalink)
    Hi, I recently bought a hadron air, and wasn't satisfied with the noise that the powersupply made.  I decided to do this mod, and my computer is now whisper quiet.  I'm super satisfied with the sound, but after researching a bit I'm left with a few questions. I should begin by saying the fans I bought are:
     
     - Scythe Mini Kaze SY124020L
     
     -Scythe Mini Kaze SY124010L
     
    After taking the old fan out, I decided to google the model number (FFB0412VHN-CZ22) and I found a very similar fan
     
    As my 2 fans barely reach 10CFM, and the stock fan runs over 15CFM, is there a danger of the psu overheating?  Has anyone monitored their psu temps, specifically while drawing from the GPU?  I'm debating putting another 40mm fan pushing air into the front grill inside of the case.
     
    edit: I just realize my hyperlinks were removed.  If you are curious, the specs of each of the fans are on Amazon, just search the model number. Thanks.
     
     
    post edited by thejuicegoose2 - 2015/01/01 18:02:31
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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2015/01/02 04:07:07 (permalink)
    Hi there is no probe to monitor the PS unit. But I run setup with 40x40 Nuctua plus scythe fans and the temps is ok. I have Intel core i74770K and GTX770 watercooled during gaming (Arma3 at ultras) my psu is very warm but not hot so I can touch it, CPU temp is around 50-60 C, GPU is 50-55 C. Sure I think that the unit works on its highs and I plan to put additional exhaust fan in the case. (I have two intake 120mm fans over the EK radiator so the hot air is inside the case, now I think how to blow it away)

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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2016/03/17 14:29:50 (permalink)
    I've owned this chassi for a year and the noise level seems to increase. Especially the high pitch with open headphones it has become unbearable. 
     
    I found this but I have no idea how to open up the PSU and change the fans. I hate to ask but is there any super newbie guide or suggestions where to start loosening screws?
     
    Sorry for a dumb question. I built this computer and case out of necessity, never tried before. 
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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2016/03/17 22:40:50 (permalink)
    Hi, yolof
    It is very easy. First of all you need to unscrew 2 screws on the back side of the case and two more on the bottom which are fixing the PSU. Then you need to remove the PSU from the case and remove all the screws from it. That`s it. Next you should follow cguesty post on top of this thread.

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    Re: Replacing the Hadron Air PSU Fan 2016/03/18 18:51:16 (permalink)
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    Hi, yolof
    It is very easy. First of all you need to unscrew 2 screws on the back side of the case and two more on the bottom which are fixing the PSU. Then you need to remove the PSU from the case and remove all the screws from it. That`s it. Next you should follow cguesty post on top of this thread.


    I see, thank you. Sorry again for the stupid question but I didn't want to wreck the case and ruin my warranty by removing the screws before I knew they're the right ones.
     
    Cheers
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