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2014/07/28 13:10:11 (permalink)
I finally decided to give it a shot. I clicked the disable SLI but forgot to hit the 'Apply' button. My CPU smoked my GPUs and I thought it was supposed to be the other way around. Maybe because SLI was still enabled?
 

 
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/28 13:24:58 (permalink)
    Yeah, you want to disable SLI for folding.
     



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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/28 14:28:29 (permalink)
    I'm not sure how to read these numbers but before I tried disabling SLI I was showing almost double the ppd I am showing now. Maybe I have to get used to this stuff. I am using driver: 337.50
    Does this look right to you?
     

     
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/28 16:04:07 (permalink)
    Did you enter a passkey?
    Try adding the client-type advanced flag on your 680's.
    Configure> Slots> GPU> Edit> Extra slot options> Add> Name: client-type Value: advanced



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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/28 16:07:51 (permalink)
    You may need to let the numbers settle out. It takes around 2-3 percent for the client to get the correct TPF. If it gets paused, that can extend the time. You should also be running stock clocks to start, if you are not already. You should be looking at the 90k ppd range for each GTX 680.

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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/28 16:52:27 (permalink)
    Welcome to fold.
    Try and apply the above advice and I believe you still need to complete 10 work units with a passkey to receive the bonus. (QRB) Until then your points will seem mediocre.
     
    Edit: I might add to finish the cpu wu and concentrate on the gpu's until you get them running smoothly. They will be the meat and potato's of your point accumulation.
    post edited by yodap - 2014/07/28 17:00:31


     

     
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/28 16:57:53 (permalink)
    I tried the configure and had no improvement. Before, I was showing 78,400 in the "Points per day" box. It will get back up that high after a while. Both of my GPUs are set to a value of -1 which I'm told is default and lets the app decide what's best. I just don't know how to read the app data so I have no idea what my GPU output for the day will be.
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/28 17:11:45 (permalink)
    Did you follow tucker's advice with the configuration and click save? (I always forget to save) Do you have a passkey? You need it.
    Your stats so far. 3 down, 7 to go. http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=660716


     

     
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/28 17:20:12 (permalink)
    I never have disabled SLI well in a long time anyway.My understanding is with v7 there is no need to disable SLI.I could be wrong but I get same ppd ether way on my 770 classys



     
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/28 17:20:36 (permalink)
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    Did you follow tucker's advice with the configuration and click save? (I always forget to save) Do you have a passkey? You need it.
    Your stats so far. 3 down, 7 to go. http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=660716


    Yeah, I clicked save but it made no difference. Maybe I have to do that both of my GPU? I have a passkey and entered it. I'll let it run tomorrow for a while and see what I get. An ETA of 10 days seems like a long time to me for my second GPU. My first GPU dropped from 5 days to 12 hours after about 45 minutes. Those 3 WU must have been from the run that my CPU completed.
    post edited by Zuhl3156 - 2014/07/28 17:33:53
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/28 17:33:03 (permalink)
    Yes, do it for both.
    Give it 30mins or so and the eta should drop to where the first one is at.



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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/28 17:35:02 (permalink)
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    Yes, do it for both.
    Give it 30mins or so and the eta should drop to where the first one is at.

    I'll give it a try and let it run for a few hours tonight.
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/28 17:40:50 (permalink)
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    Yes, do it for both.
    Give it 30mins or so and the eta should drop to where the first one is at.

    I can't do my second GPU. It says "Invalid arguement" or something.
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/28 17:46:09 (permalink)
    There's also the driver issues.  For whatever reason, something in Nvidia's drivers after 327.23 crippled folding performance in GK104 cards, i.e. every 600 and 700 series GPU except the 780, 780 Ti, Titan, and Titan Black.  Stanford has introduced a workaround, but it's still in beta testing.  The magnitude of this issue is somewhere around 70% lower PPD.
     
    So, you have two options.  One is to roll back to 327.23.  The other is to leave the drivers alone and change your GPU slots to client-type:beta instead of client-type:advanced as shown in tucker147's post.  You should get the version of the beta core with the fix; it's version 0.0.55.  The core version shows up in the log file like this:
     

    22:52:40:WU00:FS00:0x17:Reading tar file state.xml
    22:52:41:WU00:FS00:0x17:Reading tar file system.xml
    22:52:41:WU00:FS00:0x17:Reading tar file integrator.xml
    22:52:41:WU00:FS00:0x17:Reading tar file core.xml
    22:52:41:WU00:FS00:0x17:Digital signatures verified
    22:52:41:WU00:FS00:0x17:Folding@home GPU core17
    22:52:41:WU00:FS00:0x17:Version 0.0.52

     
    (I'm on client-type:advanced and running version 0.0.52 since I have 780s)
     
    Now, using the beta flag can be a bit more problematic.  Anyone can use it, but if you want help from the official folding forum when running it, you have to also be a member of the beta team.  There's a beta testing section of their forum that's read-only if you're not part of the beta team, and if you post about issues outside of that forum and they see you're running the beta flag, the mods will just tell you to remove it and re-post once you've encountered your issue without the flag.  This isn't a major problem, as most issues can be resolved by other EVGA members here, where there is no such proscription.
     
    The bigger problem with using the beta flag is that you will get WUs from beta projects at some point in time, and something will invariably go wrong.  Projects that have just been released to beta sometimes have PPD issues (usually too low, but sometimes too high), will have bad WUs that crash and get you no points, etc.  Part of joining the beta team consists of accepting that these things will happen that you are okay with not earning top PPD because you'd rather help work out the bugs.  If you're not part of the beta team but are running the beta flag, you get the sporadic issues and occasional temporary benefits (such as access to this fixed core before it's released to the general public) without being able to provide feedback.


     
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/28 17:50:54 (permalink)
    I downloaded the 327.23 driver earlier today. I had read that it was the best Folding driver but the problems were fixed with 337.50 which I was already using for gaming. I'll give that driver a shot here in a minute.
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/28 18:38:06 (permalink)
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    So, you have two options.  One is to roll back to 327.23.  The other is to leave the drivers alone and change your GPU slots to client-type:beta instead of client-type:advanced as shown in tucker147's post.  You should get the version of the beta core with the fix; it's version 0.0.55. 
     

    I installed the 327.23 drivers but I also lost the SLI option in my Control Panel. I got an Event Viewer error 14 "Device not found" and when I rebooted from a black screen lockup it installed the newest WHQL. Any driver older than 335.50 loses my SLI function. I tried using that driver when I first upgraded to this Z97 and it wouldn't install properly. I am seeing an increase but my second GPU is basically useless. Both boards are running at 1215 MHz. GPU-1 ETA dropped to 1.17 days. "Points per Day" box is well over 130,000 now. Here is a screenshot:
     

     
    post edited by Zuhl3156 - 2014/07/28 18:49:49
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/28 20:07:23 (permalink)
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/28 22:37:16 (permalink)
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    I installed the 327.23 drivers but I also lost the SLI option in my Control Panel. I got an Event Viewer error 14 "Device not found" and when I rebooted from a black screen lockup it installed the newest WHQL. Any driver older than 335.50 loses my SLI function. I tried using that driver when I first upgraded to this Z97 and it wouldn't install properly. I am seeing an increase but my second GPU is basically useless. Both boards are running at 1215 MHz. GPU-1 ETA dropped to 1.17 days. "Points per Day" box is well over 130,000 now. Here is a screenshot:
     



    That's rather unusual.  Might be redundant, but have you tried doing a clean installation of it at any point?

    Also, you might try 326.80 beta.  It was the release right before 327.23 and I don't think there were any issues with it, either folding or non-folding.


     
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/29 05:23:46 (permalink)
    326.80 beta is the version I ran on my 680's and 690's, I do Disable SLI as well.

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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/29 06:48:43 (permalink)
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    That's rather unusual.  Might be redundant, but have you tried doing a clean installation of it at any point?

    Also, you might try 326.80 beta.  It was the release right before 327.23 and I don't think there were any issues with it, either folding or non-folding.


    This was fresh install of Windows 7 and right off the bat I had no SLI option when installing these drivers. I was stuck using the 337.88 WHQL. Whenever I feel like playing any games I'll either have to change my drivers or play with a single GPU or just forget about folding all together. Maybe I'll put in a support ticket and see what kind of hoops EVGA support wants me to jump through. In the mean time I'll try swapping SLI bridges (makes no sense since other drivers work) and swapping slots. Thanks for all of the help and advice.
     
    BTW I just noticed a new WHQL release version 340.52 available at nVidia.com. After I get a baseline I might give these a try. Hopefully my SLI comes back.
    post edited by Zuhl3156 - 2014/07/29 07:31:15
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/29 10:44:04 (permalink)
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    You may need to let the numbers settle out. It takes around 2-3 percent for the client to get the correct TPF. If it gets paused, that can extend the time. You should also be running stock clocks to start, if you are not already. You should be looking at the 90k ppd range for each GTX 680.


    I folded almost all day yesterday without any problems and today I have already had two BSOD Code 0x0124. I don't understand why since nothing has changed since then. I even upped my vCore to 1.265 before I got my second Code 124 BSOD. All temps were under 72°C when it happened. After running about an hour and 10-15% WU I was only showing about 54,152 ppd. That's roughly half of your estimated output. Before I installed the 327.23 and lost my SLI I was getting a quicker WU out of just my CPU using the 337.50 with SLI enabled. I have 2 GB of VRAM on each video board but Folding was only using 210 MB on board 1 and 110 MB on board 2. I have installed the latest WHQL 340.52, got my SLI back, and ran 3DMark11 with similar results to 337.50 beta but have not yet tried the Folding routine since I am reluctant to trash my new CPU and Z97 motherboard at this time. Maybe later. I assembled a PC from my old leftover components for my sister using my GTX-570 s/c boards that might give me better results but I won't have an OS until she brings me her old Q6600 to swap out the system drive. I even bought her a new case. It turned out pretty good. I have it listed in my Mods/Rigs link under my Avatar. For now I am temporarily retired from Folding. This "retirement" might only last an hour though. It would be ironic if I died from Cancer that my last unfinished WU would have cured. I'll probably come out of retirement tomorrow. Thanks again for all of the help and suggestions.
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/29 11:29:14 (permalink)
    If you do come out of retirement, have you tried folding without the CPU? When I have issues with a new folding setup, I try to turn things on in stages. One GPU let it get to the correct PPD, then 2, then the CPU if I am doing that as well. This can point to where the issue arrives. It can take a lot of time to get sorted, but you don't have to be at the computer the entire time. BSODs are certainly annoying, and to me would point to a driver issue or a failing hardware.

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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/29 11:55:23 (permalink)
    I only have 1:26 left to complete the WU that my CPU was working on. I might try to configure my video boards as "Client-type / beta" tomorrow and let my CPU run by itself just to finish the WU. Then I'll 'Pause' the CPU and let my video boards finish what they were doing. I haven't totally surrendered yet. I guess you could consider this as a temporary "Truce" or "Cease fire". Battle will resume shortly.
    post edited by Zuhl3156 - 2014/07/29 12:04:59
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/29 12:23:54 (permalink)
    Right click on the cpu in folding slots and select finish. That way it won't get a new one when your done. Then go into Configure>Slots and highlight the cpu and Click remove. You can add it back when your ready.
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/29 12:42:10 (permalink)
    Thanks. Maybe I'll try tomorrow using my motherboard's other BIOS that I left at stock clock settings and vCore. I am currently using the "B" BIOS for overclocking. It is just a PITA to get the side cover off my case to flip the switch. During my open heart quadruple bypass surgery in January I seem to have 'inherited' several damaged disks in my spine and my neck. I guess the surgeon was having an 'off' day. Never having any problems with my upper back or my neck I was surprised to also find out that I have arthritus in my neck too. It must be that rare contageous accute strain.
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/29 17:48:26 (permalink)
    If I recall correctly, judging by your cards you'll want the latest beta core anyway, since it had the fix for the GK104 folding PPD... IIRC.

    I may not.


     
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/07/30 11:08:37 (permalink)
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    If I recall correctly, judging by your cards you'll want the latest beta core anyway, since it had the fix for the GK104 folding PPD... IIRC.

    I may not.


    I tried setting the slot to 'Client-type/beta' and it didn't help. I started out with 2:06 remaining for the WU on GPU-0 and after 1 hour it changed to 5:38 while the TPF dropped from 15:23 minutes to 8:58 minutes. Until I get an OS for the other PC I have using the GTX-570s. My CPU WU even tripled or more starting at 1:28 to finish to 5:45 to finish. Instead of waiting for my sister to bring me her old PC I could just install Windows 7 SP-1 and use it for three days until the activation expires. I removed the F @ H client and listed the reason as 'unsatisfactory results or user experience'.
    post edited by Zuhl3156 - 2014/07/30 11:10:01
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/08/01 01:35:07 (permalink)
    Ay Zuhl!
    Since you are one of those who wants to do good, and before you throw in the towel due to too much hazzle, have you checked out Crunching?
    As my sig indicates, I've done some folding too, but lately I've moved more or less over to Crunching. ( Folded a bit last week)
    Here you have a whole different freedom to choose what kind of project you want to support. Cancer, bio-medical, astronomy etc etc.
    You can also choose freely among GPU and/ or CPU work.
    I crunch on a wide variety of computers and GPU's. From old Two core Win XP machines, to OC'ed i7's, and from GTX210 to 780Ti Classy's.
    The BOINC client we use for crunching never caused any issues, on any machine.
    You will also have the opportunity to get a much better insight in the different projects.
    Also, our team, [link=mailto:crunching@EVGA]crunching@EVGA[/link], are the greatest guy's
    Just posting this to be certain you didn't miss this option.
     
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    Re: My first attempt... 2014/08/03 11:13:42 (permalink)
    I got SiouxsieQ up and running but I'm not sure which are the best drivers for my 570sc boards. I am using the 327.23 drivers but I don't know if they're doing all that I can expect. Apparently F @ H did not pick up on my unfinished WU from my Devil's Canyon / 680 PC. I am using my same ID and passkey. Points per Day box is climbing steadily though. No BSOD or other issues running at 4.5 GHz CPU and stock 797 MHz on each GPU.
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