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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/07/21 04:56:49 (permalink)
    Not sure what you mean, do you mean that x99 haswell-e is Q4 of 2014? This has been known for a bit, suspected launch in September and Broadwell-E in Q4 of 2015.
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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/07/21 10:03:59 (permalink)
    At some point we all discover rumors, just not at the same pace, so something will be new to somebody right up to debut.  Thereafter, however, I'll always only be interested in keeping up with every ounce of "upcoming" with zero interest in "what works".
     
    One thing to keep in mind, these roadmaps are a unique combination of product positioning, Intel can't predict  what effect other companies have on them no matter how much experience they've had, so its their best case scenario and thus subject to change.  While the -E platform has no high-enc competition from AMD, they are currently competing with their own "PC Client Group", a.k.a. mainstream.
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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/07/21 13:45:20 (permalink)
    I will probably upgrade on Haswell E for new year. 
     

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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/07/21 19:26:29 (permalink)
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    Not sure what you mean, do you mean that x99 haswell-e is Q4 of 2014? This has been known for a bit, suspected launch in September and Broadwell-E in Q4 of 2015.


    Basically wanted people to see the 2011 socket was updated and wouldnt fit in older motherboards
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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/07/26 03:05:13 (permalink)
    Maybe Intel is not fair this year. 
    Only 1000$ CPU have 8 core. From other side people with i7-5820K will have good CPU and 6 cores.
    Intel i7-5930K have 6 cores only and only advantage is higher 200MHz higher clock and 100MHz higher Turbo.
    If i7-5820K is unlocked than that's best option, if not again i7-5930K is expensive.
    I must to risk and to chase some i7-5960X without warranty for half price.
    They should launch i7-5960X 1000$ (8), i7-5930K (8) and i7-5820 (6).
    But for people who are not ready to pay 1500$ for platform i7-5820K with 6 cores and DDR4 will be good option.
    We continue with our EVGA Elite Hardware Build and for X99 too, and than waiting Titan II Classified for 800$. 
     

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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/07/26 07:00:46 (permalink)
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    Maybe Intel is not fair this year. 
    Only 1000$ CPU have 8 core. From other side people with i7-5820K will have good CPU and 6 cores.
    Intel i7-5930K have 6 cores only and only advantage is higher 200MHz higher clock and 100MHz higher Turbo.
    If i7-5820K is unlocked than that's best option, if not again i7-5930K is expensive.
    I must to risk and to chase some i7-5960X without warranty for half price.
    They should launch i7-5960X 1000$ (8), i7-5930K (8) and i7-5820 (6).
    But for people who are not ready to pay 1500$ for platform i7-5820K with 6 cores and DDR4 will be good option.
    We continue with our EVGA Elite Hardware Build and for X99 too, and than waiting Titan II Classified for 800$. 
     


    Also 5830K has more PCI-E lanes 28 vs 40.
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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/07/26 07:44:44 (permalink)
    My main concern in all of this is the price of DDR4. I think DDR4 is going to be very expensive when it is first introduced which is why AMD is going to hold off on DDR4 for a while. If DDR4 prices are too high then I will wait until manufacturing goes up and the price drops so I probably won't upgrade until 2015.

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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/07/26 11:52:47 (permalink)
    Yes, we somehow forgot on memory.
    Until now we didn't think on memory because PC could work and with 50-80$ kit, some cheaper kit was always present.
     

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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/07/26 14:01:00 (permalink)
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    Maybe Intel is not fair this year. 
    Only 1000$ CPU have 8 core. From other side people with i7-5820K will have good CPU and 6 cores.
    Intel i7-5930K have 6 cores only and only advantage is higher 200MHz higher clock and 100MHz higher Turbo.
    If i7-5820K is unlocked than that's best option, if not again i7-5930K is expensive.
    I must to risk and to chase some i7-5960X without warranty for half price.
    They should launch i7-5960X 1000$ (8), i7-5930K (8) and i7-5820 (6).
    But for people who are not ready to pay 1500$ for platform i7-5820K with 6 cores and DDR4 will be good option.
    We continue with our EVGA Elite Hardware Build and for X99 too, and than waiting Titan II Classified for 800$. 
     


    if you go back to the days of x58 the 920 to 970 were 4 core. while the 980x and 990x were 6 core. the reason to go with the x was to ger 2 extra cores, and they sold. now at x79 the k and x both have 6 core and the x only has a bigger cache and a tiny higher speed. I notice the the k series was pretty much the only choice because they were exactly the same and sales showed it.

    I may be one of the few but I think the 5960x should be 8, 5930k be 6 and all of the z97 cpu be 4. Otherwise why would anyone get the 5960x? This is just good business planning.
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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/07/26 14:14:30 (permalink)
    DDR4 will most likely be $200 at 16GB for 2133...  It looks like Intel is doing what they did for the 9xx series chips...  Releasing the 980X as their first 6 core at first to get the people who will buy first at a premium then they released a 6 core 980 and 970...  Maybe we'll see a 5950K with 8 cores later to bridge the gap...

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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/07/26 14:36:01 (permalink)
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    DDR4 will most likely be $200 at 16GB for 2133...  It looks like Intel is doing what they did for the 9xx series chips...  Releasing the 980X as their first 6 core at first to get the people who will buy first at a premium then they released a 6 core 980 and 970...  Maybe we'll see a 5950K with 8 cores later to bridge the gap...


    I doubt that will happen. Donr get me wrong, intel has noone to compete with but themselves. if they release a 5950x for let's say 800. then those that were going to go with 5930k might throw an extra 200 for 8 corea but not 400.
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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/07/26 22:15:08 (permalink)
    Well, going back to the first quad-cores:  QX6700 debuted at $999, then 2 months later the B3 stepping of Q6600 appeared at $853 and within another 2 months dropping to the $563 mark.  But the market dynamic was different back then, AMD was about to push Phenom, their first quad-core and no one knew it would be delayed until after Core i7 920 appeared, defeating its advantage.  So Intel took it seriously by pushing their quad-cores into the affordable reign of sub $300.  In hindsight, I'm sure they would have left Core 2 Quads up at the $500+ mark knowing now how AMD was.
     
    Going back to the first 6-cores:  i7-980X debuted at $999, i7-970 appeared at Q6600's price a few months later, and didn't drop down to $563 price for another few months.  While a i7-980 came, it didn't push i7-970 down; there was a multi-core competitor in the form of AMD's Phenom II x6, but Intel's advantage of better IPC in terms of pricing against the $300-ish AMD 6-core didn't require making Intel 6-cores widely available.  So i7-5820K is the first candidate for cheap multi-core and will be the most popular option of X99, not everyone needs so much SLI scaling to worry about the 28 PCIe 3.0 lanes included. 
     
    Now we're at the Intel 8-core era:  AMD's 8-cores while have been around for a few years, proved to be beaten/matched by Intel quads, so there isn't much hurry to introduce a cheaper 8-core except to isolate high-end enthusiasts farther away from mainstream.  Intel's X-platform looks to be the only place where Intel will rebrand and unlocked many-core Xeons as "Core i7"; AMD may not pursue.  But, it gives reason for both not introducing another 8-core and doing it anyway; Intel owns the entire high-end bracket, they can do as they please.
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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/07/27 01:35:48 (permalink)
    What you think what is best option from X99 for one graphic card for me.
    I love to OC but nothing special, first time Turbo will be Enough, later just to satisfied self, I love something little over manufacturer specification.
    Yes and I plan to go with 16GB 4x4GB not faster than 2133MHz. For gaming that would be excellent platform.
    I mean my i7-3770k + Z77 FTW can work at least 2 years more. For one more graphic card and later to upgrade, but never mind.
     
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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/07/27 02:19:12 (permalink)
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    What you think what is best option from X99 for one graphic card for me.
    I love to OC but nothing special, first time Turbo will be Enough, later just to satisfied self, I love something little over manufacturer specification.
    Yes and I plan to go with 16GB 4x4GB not faster than 2133MHz. For gaming that would be excellent platform.
    I mean my i7-3770k + Z77 FTW can work at least 2 years more. For one more graphic card and later to upgrade, but never mind.
     
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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/07/27 03:04:10 (permalink)
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    My main concern in all of this is the price of DDR4. I think DDR4 is going to be very expensive when it is first introduced which is why AMD is going to hold off on DDR4 for a while. If DDR4 prices are too high then I will wait until manufacturing goes up and the price drops so I probably won't upgrade until 2015.


    Newegg had some DDR4 ECC sticks up, from Crucial I think,a couple of weeks ago. They were a little over twice what DDR3 was at the time. Here they are.... http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=ddr4&N=-1&isNodeId=1  Of course they are ECC though....

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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/07/27 04:35:16 (permalink)
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    What you think what is best option from X99 for one graphic card for me.
    I love to OC but nothing special, first time Turbo will be Enough, later just to satisfied self, I love something little over manufacturer specification.
    Yes and I plan to go with 16GB 4x4GB not faster than 2133MHz. For gaming that would be excellent platform.
    I mean my i7-3770k + Z77 FTW can work at least 2 years more. For one more graphic card and later to upgrade, but never mind.
     
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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/07/27 11:07:58 (permalink)
    Anyway I need to buy new motherboard and CPU than maybe is better to use something what I can keep longer time.
    If I upgrade on beginning, 1-2 year should pass to Intel build similar platform for mainstream and whole time I will have nice platform with 6 cores or more. I thought to upgrade on i7-5930K, but now and i7-5820K will be similar price as i7-4790K only two cores more and compatible with DDR4.
    That's not bad option too. Even i7-5820K is 6 core + Turbo and some 250$ motherboards and DDR4 for 200$, Intel Extreme can't be such expensive but again offer some satisfaction because customers will use DDR4 1-2 years earlier, than soldering, not cheap thermal material, 6 cores, DDR4...
    Somehow your platform is longer actual than changing on 10 months chipsets.
    Only I'm not so sure in K model. Maybe Intel lock i7-5820 and give us only Turbo OC. 
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/08/01 09:19:44 (permalink)
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    Anyway I need to buy new motherboard and CPU than maybe is better to use something what I can keep longer time.
    If I upgrade on beginning, 1-2 year should pass to Intel build similar platform for mainstream and whole time I will have nice platform with 6 cores or more. I thought to upgrade on i7-5930K, but now and i7-5820K will be similar price as i7-4790K only two cores more and compatible with DDR4.
    That's not bad option too. Even i7-5820K is 6 core + Turbo and some 250$ motherboards and DDR4 for 200$, Intel Extreme can't be such expensive but again offer some satisfaction because customers will use DDR4 1-2 years earlier, than soldering, not cheap thermal material, 6 cores, DDR4...
    Somehow your platform is longer actual than changing on 10 months chipsets.
    Only I'm not so sure in K model. Maybe Intel lock i7-5820 and give us only Turbo OC. 
     
     
     
     
     


    Or just wait for Skylake. By then ddr4 will be better priced with maybe speeds up to 3000+ available. This Haswell E is feeling like more hype than anything good. Buying into X99 now may not be worth it compared to what you have now. The performance increase most of us enthusiasts are craving for hopefully will be in Skylake; both in the 6770k & Extreme chips. Top dog until then may be the 4790k.
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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/08/01 09:42:59 (permalink)
    i7 is good processor, because with any version you can use for gaming 4 years without problem.
    I though on some EVGA X99 mobo and CPU with 6 cores some Intel Xtreme with Soldered TIM to install and OC for 500MHz.
    Next year upgrade would be excellent. i7-3770K is still for games as I bought him yesterday. Special on 4.5GHz. 

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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/08/01 10:28:52 (permalink)
    Haswell has been a bust on the overclocking side. The E processors may be no different even with them being soldered. Look at Ivy- E... those did not oclock as well as Sandybridge, too. We may be looking at 4.5-4.6 tops for Haswell-E.
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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/08/02 02:29:13 (permalink)
    Intel this time didn't allow to people with 500$ get same as 1000$ CPU, as with i7-4930K and i7-3930K.
    Both of them had same number of cores and capable to OC and work on same speed as X processors, only 3-4MB less Cache.
    Now best option is i7-5820K 6 core is cheaper and enough for SLI if someone need.
    Example i7-5820K + X99 FTW and 4x4GB DDR4 2133MHz are better option than Haswell.
    i7-5960X will work on 3.0 GHz only because 8 cores and I'm not sure is it nicest option for gaming.
    Maybe even X99 Classified + i7-5820K on 4.0GHz could be nice gaming RIG.
    Who need stupid options in BIOS. If you OC once many people don't change nothing 1-2 years after that, don't even look inside BIOS.
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    gutcheck
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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/08/02 20:57:59 (permalink)
    Just want it now.

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    Re: Intel Roadmap for X-99 2014/08/17 18:08:13 (permalink)
    Thanks for posting.  Very interesting stuff coming down the pipe in 2015!
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