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2014/07/22 14:17:23 (permalink)
I had 12gb of triple channel ram in my x58    Two 3x2 gb kits bought separately.  Worked like a CHARM.
Tried to use 4 of those dimms in this board and they will simply not work at spec speeds or timings.  So bad that if I try to run them at 1600 the machine goes into a power up loop and the code says no memory installed ( 55 ) 
 
So I am stuck with 1333 ram Until I spend a few hundred dollars on dual channel and EAT 12gb of this stuff ( wasn't cheap!) 
 
Crucial says the MIGHT work but they do no guarantee that triple channel kits will work on dual.... That sounds FISHY to me , it they were their best and they were tested to be that why NOW are they USELESS??
 
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Re: Tri Channel Ram Kit Useless in Dual channel set-up of Classified? 2014/07/22 15:05:22 (permalink)
All I could say is that all motherboards don't support all ram.  Doesn't help your situation I know, but sometimes it just works out that way.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Tri Channel Ram Kit Useless in Dual channel set-up of Classified? 2014/07/22 15:46:46 (permalink)
Have you tried updating the motherboard BIOS?

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Re: Tri Channel Ram Kit Useless in Dual channel set-up of Classified? 2014/07/22 16:02:49 (permalink)
Ok first of all have you tried two at a time? Are you running XMP? Are you running at correct voltage?


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Re: Tri Channel Ram Kit Useless in Dual channel set-up of Classified? 2014/07/22 16:45:58 (permalink)
Are they on the QVL? Does EVGA have a QVL for the z97 Classified yet is also a good question.
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Re: Tri Channel Ram Kit Useless in Dual channel set-up of Classified? 2014/07/22 16:50:04 (permalink)
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Have you tried updating the motherboard BIOS?




Yes , went to 1.05 as soon as my first boot.
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Re: Tri Channel Ram Kit Useless in Dual channel set-up of Classified? 2014/07/22 16:52:06 (permalink)
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Ok first of all have you tried two at a time? Are you running XMP? Are you running at correct voltage?




No went with all four first , will try that and yes I tried XMP but it won't hold the speed.  I could swear I saw it at 1600 once but at low volts ... they call for 1.65 and I saw 1.49  even tried to slower timings as well .
 
 

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Re: Tri Channel Ram Kit Useless in Dual channel set-up of Classified? 2014/07/22 16:53:34 (permalink)
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Are they on the QVL? Does EVGA have a QVL for the z97 Classified yet is also a good question.



OK so I dont know what QVL is so that may be an issue.

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Re: Tri Channel Ram Kit Useless in Dual channel set-up of Classified? 2014/07/22 17:16:05 (permalink)
Did you set the voltage to 1.65V manually? Did you set all of the timings manually to specs?

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Re: Tri Channel Ram Kit Useless in Dual channel set-up of Classified? 2014/07/22 17:17:33 (permalink)
UPDATE#############
 
Ok two at a time works for getting to the XMP settings but INSTANT BSOD on boot up to OS.  Tried again with all four and had to do a reset of bios.  ANYONE know anyone who wants 12GB of top of the line triple channel Ram??  What a WASTE!!!

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Re: Tri Channel Ram Kit Useless in Dual channel set-up of Classified? 2014/07/22 19:30:42 (permalink)
Look for the z97 Classified Qualified Vendors List here: http://www.evga.com/support/motherboard/

You will see a list of memory compatibility:

Vendor Part Number Size Frequency Timing Voltage Slot
ADATA AX3U1600GB2G9-2G 2GB 1600MHz 9-9-9-24 2+4
ADATA AX3U2000GC2G9B-3G 2GB 2000MHz 9-11-9-27 1~4, 2+4
Corsair CMZ32GX3M4X1600C10 8GB 1600MHz 10-10-10-27 1~4, 2+4
Corsair CMD8GX3M2A1600C9 4GB 1600MHz 9-9-9-24 1~4, 2+4
Corsair CMD8GX3M2A1600C8 4GB 1600MHz 8-8-8-24 2+4
Corsair CMD16GX3M2A1600C9 8GB 1600MHz 9-9-9-24 2+4
Corsair CM3X1G1600C8D4 1GB 1600MHz 8-8-8-24 2+4
Corsair CMD16GX3M4A1866C9 4GB 1866MHz 9-10-9-27 1~4, 2+4
Corsair CMD16GX3M4A2666C10 4GB 2666MHz 10-12-12-31 2+4
Corsair CMD16GX3M4A2800C12 4GB 2800MHz 12-14-14-36 1~4
Crucial CT12872BA1339.9FF 1GB 1333MHz 9-9-9-24 1~4, 2+4
Crucial BLE4D3G213ACE1TX0.K16FD 4GB 2133MHz 9-11-10-27 1~4, 2+4
G.SKILL F3-17066CL9D-4GBTDS 2GB 2133MHz 9-9-9-24 2+4
G.SKILL F3-2666C11Q-16GTXD 4GB 2666MHz 11-13-13-35 1~4
G.SKILL F3-2800C12Q-32GTXDG 8GB 2800MHz 12-14-14-35 2+4
Kingston KVR1333D3N9 1GB 1333MHz 9-9-9-24 1~4, 2+4
Kingston KHX1600C9D3LK2/8GX 4GB 1600MHz 9-9-9-27 1~4, 2+4
Kingston KHX1866C9D3K2/8GX 4GB 1866MHz 9-11-9-27 2+4
Kingston KHX21C11T3FK8/64X 8GB 2133MHz 11-12-11-32 1~4, 2+4
Kingston KHX21C11T1BK2/16X 8GB 2133MHz 11-12-11-30 1~4, 2+4
Kingston KHX21C11T3K2/16X 8GB 2133MHz 11-12-11-30 2+4
Kingston KHX24C11T3K4/16X 4GB 2400MHz 11-13-13-30 1~4, 2+4
Kingston KHX2800C12D3T1K2/4GX 2GB 2800MHz 12-14-14-32 2+4
OCZ OCZ3X1600LV6GK 2GB 1600MHz 8-8-8-24 2+4


The Qualified Vendors List (QVL) will give you an idea of what memory is known, by EVGA, to be compatible with their motherboard. It is best to reference that motherboard against the memory to see if it is known compatible or unknown.

Just because it isn't on the list, doesn't mean it won't work. That just means that it isn't guaranteed by EVGA to be known.

All motherboard companies have these lists. Just simply type the mother board nomenclature in Google and QVL (z97 Classified QVL in this case) and it will give you a direct link.

I have never attempted to utilize triple channel ram in a dual channel setup, so your issues may lie there, or you may be seeing other issues come up due to the age of the memory sticks, if they are older.

Try one dimm at a time, make sure they all work properly to boot, and then attempt to expand to more memory. Take baby steps instead of trying to jump first.
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Re: Tri Channel Ram Kit Useless in Dual channel set-up of Classified? 2014/07/22 20:22:45 (permalink)
You are using 1.65v memory which a CPU which prefers 1.35v to 1.5v. It seems that it is rather common to have issues with higher voltage RAM; it could possibly even cause CPU failure.

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Re: Tri Channel Ram Kit Useless in Dual channel set-up of Classified? 2014/07/22 23:54:32 (permalink)
Unfortunately the memory finder app on the Corsair website still doesn't work so I can't find any info for you

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Re: Tri Channel Ram Kit Useless in Dual channel set-up of Classified? 2014/07/23 07:30:47 (permalink)
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You are using 1.65v memory which a CPU which prefers 1.35v to 1.5v. It seems that it is rather common to have issues with higher voltage RAM; it could possibly even cause CPU failure.



I don't know that this isn't true for a fact. However, I have never experienced it, so I can't comment on that. In my opinion, there are only a handful of things causing issues with your particular set-up. The most important thing is your BIOS settings for the ram, specifically voltage. Ram nowadays does not like to be undervolted. If you would really like to figure out what's going on, reset your bios, than load optimized settings, make sure CPU/RAM clocks and voltages are manually set to factory specs and run Memtest86. 2 or 3 passes should be enough to determine if each stick is working enough to let you boot into windows. Be sure to test 1 stick at a time. Post your findings.
 
It's important to have the least amount of hardware plugged into your MB, I would suggest just 1 video card (or on-board video), 1 hard drive (or ssd) and 1 dvd rom (unless you're using a USB stick, then no dvd rom). The reason for this is so that you could minimize the peripherals that could be causing issues. Make sure you have the latest bios version and triple check your CPU voltage and clocks as well as triple check your manual timings and voltage for the ram.
 
Keep in mind that ram and motherboards do go bad, the ram has lifetime warranty and you should be well within your motherboard warranty, but user error & mis-configuration is much more common than hardware failure. Worst case scenario, you'll have to do some RMA's. 
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Re: Tri Channel Ram Kit Useless in Dual channel set-up of Classified? 2014/07/23 10:31:34 (permalink)
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Crucial says the MIGHT work but they do no guarantee that triple channel kits will work on dual.... That sounds FISHY to me , it they were their best and they were tested to be that why NOW are they USELESS??
The X58 platform was introduced almost six years ago; yeah it and any top-of-the-line made for it was the best, nothing lasts forever.  Crucial can only guarantee operation on what existed at the time versus you salvaging them for your Z97 today, so nothing fishy about it.  I'm sorry, but your kit isn't a waste or useless since you had use for so many years just because you can't use them anymore.  I know it isn't what you wanted to hear, but it's what we all go through when it is time to change the platform, virtually everything isn't salvageable after so many years.  Maybe this experience will give you less incentive to spend so much if the intent was salvaging for a future build.  DDR4 will be introduced this fall, DDR3 is on the way out and means DDR3 is as advanced as it can possibly get, thus why your older kit may be having trouble being pair with Z97.
 
 
But hey, some folks get lucky; but it depends on what else was tested at the time, i.e. if a particular kit was also tested on a P55 (predecessor to the Z68, Z77, Z87, Z97 line which were all dual-channel).
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Re: Tri Channel Ram Kit Useless in Dual channel set-up of Classified? 2014/08/02 07:56:43 (permalink)
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You are using 1.65v memory which a CPU which prefers 1.35v to 1.5v. It seems that it is rather common to have issues with higher voltage RAM; it could possibly even cause CPU failure.



I don't know that this isn't true for a fact. However, I have never experienced it, so I can't comment on that. In my opinion, there are only a handful of things causing issues with your particular set-up. The most important thing is your BIOS settings for the ram, specifically voltage. Ram nowadays does not like to be undervolted. If you would really like to figure out what's going on, reset your bios, than load optimized settings, make sure CPU/RAM clocks and voltages are manually set to factory specs and run Memtest86. 2 or 3 passes should be enough to determine if each stick is working enough to let you boot into windows. Be sure to test 1 stick at a time. Post your findings.
 
It's important to have the least amount of hardware plugged into your MB, I would suggest just 1 video card (or on-board video), 1 hard drive (or ssd) and 1 dvd rom (unless you're using a USB stick, then no dvd rom). The reason for this is so that you could minimize the peripherals that could be causing issues. Make sure you have the latest bios version and triple check your CPU voltage and clocks as well as triple check your manual timings and voltage for the ram.
 
Keep in mind that ram and motherboards do go bad, the ram has lifetime warranty and you should be well within your motherboard warranty, but user error & mis-configuration is much more common than hardware failure. Worst case scenario, you'll have to do some RMA's. 




I did the tests and all sticks passed no errors.  I tested all 6 sticks I have from both triple channel kits.  I cannot get them to test in any other setting but 1333 and 1.49v     If I try ANY other settings they will not even post.  I tried the last suggested timings of 11 11 11 30  and like all others I hear four beeps and have to reset bios and start over from scratch.    These same sticks were running just fine last week and ran at many different timings just fine.  It has been said that the haswell refresh doesn't like ram over 1.50v   That would be a problem due to the fact that MANY ram sticks run higher not to mention overclocking.  I remind you that 8 8 8 24 1.65v  1600 is STOCK for my ram 
 
I am sure they will not RMA this ram because it seems to be THIS MOBO that is keeping it from working especially because the very day before all 12gb were running perfectly in the other board.  I am SURE that there are timings that will work on this set and if I wait 6 months someone better at this than I am will figure it out.  It just SUX that unless I want to run at 1333 ram ( below the minimum for this Processor and board I paid so much for ) I have to go spend hundreds on new ram.... ughhhhhh.  I guess I should have done far more research before this build.
 
PS I forgot to mention that I did the tests after the latest update to 1.06 Bios
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Re: Tri Channel Ram Kit Useless in Dual channel set-up of Classified? 2014/08/04 07:58:09 (permalink)
IMHO, I wouldn't use memory that was designed for three channels.  If you hit an XMP, you could have a potential CPU failure.  Even if you get the rig up and running with no errors, this doesn't mean that it will be stable in the future.  You are better off buying a dual channel memory at a 1.5v spec that is rated for this board.


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Re: Tri Channel Ram Kit Useless in Dual channel set-up of Classified? 2014/08/04 15:39:59 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby NickNasc 2014/08/24 20:53:18
RAM manufacturers create double-channel and triple-channel packages by grouping together RAM modules that are known to work together. I'm not sure of the details, but I do know that there is a batch number of some kind on each stick.
 
So, right now you have 2 differently matched sets of 3 PC. We'll call them sets A and B. The individual sticks we can call A.1, A.2, A.3, and B.1, B.2, and B.3.
 
Your new motherboard, which uses dual-channel RAM, will have specific slots for each set. Try installing like this, beginning with slot 1 as the one being closest to the CPU:
Slot 1 - A.1
Slot 2 - B.1
Slot 3 - A.2
Slot 3 - B.2
 
Then you have sticks A.3 and B.3 remaining, 4 GB unused. I also recommend against any XMP profiles with triple channel RAM. Try overclocking it manually, using the rated settings. But first get it stable at 1333 (max DDR3 standard speed).
 
Or, you could sell both kits (separately or altogether) on ebay, and buy a 2 x 4 GB kit that is compatible with your motherboard. 8 GB is plenty these days. I bought 16 GB used because it was  good deal, and ended up putting it in my server for the VMs to use and putting my 8 GB stick back in my Z97 board. The most RAM I ever utilized at once was 7.5 GB, and that was with 150 tabs open in IE when trying to complete the EVGA scavenger hunt.

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Re: Tri Channel Ram Kit Useless in Dual channel set-up of Classified? 2014/08/07 10:19:03 (permalink)
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RAM manufacturers create double-channel and triple-channel packages by grouping together RAM modules that are known to work together. I'm not sure of the details, but I do know that there is a batch number of some kind on each stick.
 
So, right now you have 2 differently matched sets of 3 PC. We'll call them sets A and B. The individual sticks we can call A.1, A.2, A.3, and B.1, B.2, and B.3.
 
Your new motherboard, which uses dual-channel RAM, will have specific slots for each set. Try installing like this, beginning with slot 1 as the one being closest to the CPU:
Slot 1 - A.1
Slot 2 - B.1
Slot 3 - A.2
Slot 3 - B.2
 
Then you have sticks A.3 and B.3 remaining, 4 GB unused. I also recommend against any XMP profiles with triple channel RAM. Try overclocking it manually, using the rated settings. But first get it stable at 1333 (max DDR3 standard speed).
 
Or, you could sell both kits (separately or altogether) on ebay, and buy a 2 x 4 GB kit that is compatible with your motherboard. 8 GB is plenty these days. I bought 16 GB used because it was  good deal, and ended up putting it in my server for the VMs to use and putting my 8 GB stick back in my Z97 board. The most RAM I ever utilized at once was 7.5 GB, and that was with 150 tabs open in IE when trying to complete the EVGA scavenger hunt.




 
SO it WORKED!!  ....................  Sort of.
 
SO I used two of the latest revision  ver 5.2 and loaded XMP and WALA!!!  Tried to put the other two from the second kit Ver 3.2a and Power up loop.    SO I can either have 8 gb 1333 or 4 gb 1600 8 8 8 24  or go buy some ram LOL
 
Funny that the two kits worked flawlessly together in my X58 rig.
 
 I think I am going to have to buy some ram.  

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Re: Tri Channel Ram Kit Useless in Dual channel set-up of Classified? 2014/08/07 13:44:28 (permalink)
Glad it (kind of) worked. It could be that the XMP profile is meant specifically for triple-channel, so when you try to run 4 sticks at XMP, it freaks out. I have no technical data to back this up, and I've never worked with triple-channel RAM, but it's just a hypothesis.
 
You could try disabling XMP, and then manually overclocking the DDR speeds to 1600.
 
But for maximum stability, you could probably sell both of these kits on ebay, and make at least the $80-100 necessary to buy a 2 x 4GB kit off the QVL which run better at lower voltages.

Keep in mind that with RAM speeds, from a gaming perspective, it's pretty much like this:
1333 MHz --> 1600 Mhz = modest increase in performance
1600 MHz --> 1866 MHz = okay, it's a little better
1866 MHz --> 2166 MHz = I think it's faster?
2166 MHz --> 2400+ MHz = Um, why did I pay so much for these?
 
Moral of the story - don't buy 3200 MHz RAM as it's crazy expensive and doesn't help with gaming. 1866 or 2166 is plenty.

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Re: Tri Channel Ram Kit Useless in Dual channel set-up of Classified? 2014/08/08 18:44:40 (permalink)
Sprinx
Glad it (kind of) worked. It could be that the XMP profile is meant specifically for triple-channel, so when you try to run 4 sticks at XMP, it freaks out. I have no technical data to back this up, and I've never worked with triple-channel RAM, but it's just a hypothesis.
 
You could try disabling XMP, and then manually overclocking the DDR speeds to 1600.
 
But for maximum stability, you could probably sell both of these kits on ebay, and make at least the $80-100 necessary to buy a 2 x 4GB kit off the QVL which run better at lower voltages.

Keep in mind that with RAM speeds, from a gaming perspective, it's pretty much like this:
1333 MHz --> 1600 Mhz = modest increase in performance
1600 MHz --> 1866 MHz = okay, it's a little better
1866 MHz --> 2166 MHz = I think it's faster?
2166 MHz --> 2400+ MHz = Um, why did I pay so much for these?
 
Moral of the story - don't buy 3200 MHz RAM as it's crazy expensive and doesn't help with gaming. 1866 or 2166 is plenty.




 
Thanx again.  I ended up buying   16gb Gskill Tridentx 2400  2x 8 GB    They were actually less on sale than 1866 Corsair Platinum ( By a LARGE margin )  Top it off Newegg was having a extra $20.00 of that I didn't even know about until I was checking out.  I will have it Monday : ))  I will keep everyone posted.
 
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Final Update....   The TridentX 2400 2x8 sticks went right in , Set XMP and rebooted...  They are running FASSSST and Cool.  I don't think I will ever go 32GB....  
post edited by NickNasc - 2014/08/14 06:55:42

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