o4kareg
People, stop winkies measuring (Russian definition to finding out who's the best). Speaking of weapons, you never know who will be the best. At least, our Kalashnikov is still the best assault rifle ;) But it's all offtopic, of course. Hate war.

GhostImage, cheers

HAZMAN_THE_GREAT
My first question is skimming through all the post is why were they flying in a war zone area in the first place? I am very sadden for sure that lives were lost from that crash. EVERY LIFE IS IMPORTANT in my view. But interesting enough ANOTHER PLANE IS LOST  according to the video link down below. Very Shocking to me thats for sure. Like a comment on this thread said, note to self not to fly on this airlines. Please if you can guys pray for those families that lost loved ones and that are currently missing.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZhysd-tTMg&list=UUhD-zWutIego-bcHKOatFWA
 
 

Vlada011
Stories about Nazi in Ukraine are not real danger, Putin YES. That's what I explain Nazism is recognized buy society worldwide and condemned but communism only in some civilized countries. That's ideology if you kill you can kill only own people in own country and nobody can't go to resolve situation because he is culprit than.  No matter if communism kill even more people than Nazism worldwide, mostly regimes kill own populations. Smart generations, advocates, doctors, intelligent people, professors everybody who is capable to think and ask maybe something.
Nacism never growth in such ideology where brother betray brother for reward and sign "loyal to country" only to provide peace for self and avoid to other betray him first one day.
Hundred thousands innocent people die on such way in communism or live in prison.
And this is not over. I would love to Serbia separate on two parts. For EU and for Russia.
Official Serbia government is for EU, but lot of people and group of people sabotage that work and in Serbia is enough to bribe 2 man with 1.000.000$ and they will spoil reforms. Berlin Wall II on half. And people who want to support Russia should sign papers one day if they stay hungry near Russia nobody to help them. Not as in Berlin when people under Soviet Union jump over wall to buy chocolate in West Berlin and risk their life in completely isolation and chaos. Soviet generations destroy own life and that is not enough for them, they want more generation to live and share their ideology and philosophy. I don't know how Russian Army resist in such conditions where their food is not priority and clean uniform, and clean life because country invest in new military project, very expensive capable only to make small number. 
 
Same as Russia sacrifice own people on that way is capable to treat and all their friends and countries in union and federation with them.
Look only after some disasters how many victims die because they look different on human life. They are danger and they were always treat.
I remember of disaster in Ukraine in Nuclear Power Plant, Chernobyl, they didn't want own people not world. Swedish scientist measure huge radiation during normal procedure near their Power Plant and they recognized something is wrong, Radiation cloud cover half Europe in that time. After all others who had Nuclear Plants confirm everything is OK, spy satellites found disaster, reactor completely collapse, magma burn, graphite and uranium, people look like as fireworks from windows.  Parents didn't give us to walk on grass, two years we didn't eat fruits at all in Serbia. In Ukraine Soviet Union first days didn't warn people in that town. Government even brave them to go out and celebrate communism national holiday on streets instead to evacuate people. That's their mentality. Lies and only lies.
Same happen with Kursk and many other disasters when they didn't want to UK or someone help maybe to save that people.
Ukraine have special problem with Soviet Union because lot of people die from hunger during Stalin regime.
And Ukraine is country with enough wheat for all Europe, only because Stalin hate them and because bad organziation.

Vlada011
One Russian mafia boss, ex boss but still with strong connection in Russian and Chechnya underground who live in France, Monte Carlo I think explain that Russian people are not for democracy... That's cruel people and cruel country and Democracy can't resist there... They need mafia or dictatorship to lead them. France didn't want to give him citizenship first but I'm not sure what happen exactly but looks like some France journalist is kidnapped probably somewhere in Chechnya during war... And nobody didn't know where is, later he call few people his friends from jails (he was during Soviet Union in jail with them and they had own connections, that always work no matter on war) and they release him. Later that guy got France citizenship and live there with family.
He explain Russia is such country they will forever to be under some kind of dictatorship or they will fight to remove one dictator than mafia will lead country and after several years their mentality will find new leader. That's Russia. Russian had huge problems and with Chechnya... crazy number of victims die there mostly because bad tactics and because they push people sometimes with bad intelligence data and then much more people die than need. Off course many people and don't know that Russian president deal with some of Chechnya mafia boss to do what they want in Moscow, sell drug, keep prostitutes anything, only they can't spend money earned on weapons against Russia. And many of them betray true fighters and soldiers who are for independence, they share data with Russian secret service how to find other fighters. Later Putin finish and with other group but some of them still spend money in Moscow and enjoy in nice life. 

ty_ger07

candle_86

HAZMAN_THE_GREAT
My first question is skimming through all the post is why were they flying in a war zone area in the first place? I am very sadden for sure that lives were lost from that crash. EVERY LIFE IS IMPORTANT in my view. But interesting enough ANOTHER PLANE IS LOST  according to the video link down below. Very Shocking to me thats for sure. Like a comment on this thread said, note to self not to fly on this airlines. Please if you can guys pray for those families that lost loved ones and that are currently missing.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZhysd-tTMg&list=UUhD-zWutIego-bcHKOatFWA
 
 

why should people have to avoid an area because of terrorists, that lets the terrorists win, I just wish the response would be given, you know carpet bomb eastern Ukraine with say White Phosphorus 

Why was the flight purposely routed off-course? If it was normal to fly over that area, fine. But why purposely re-route it over an area of conflict when that wasn't the flight's normal route?
In aviation, there is a term 'TFR' (Temporary Flight Restrictions). I am sure that an area of conflict which has airborne ordnances qualifies.

ty_ger07
That's stupidity. They should have diverted around the storm in a different direction. Or landed at an alternate destination in the case that they didn't have enough fuel to divert in a different direction and still make it all the way. Flying over an active military base in the US for instance would never happen under these circumstances.

I wonder why the Maylasia Airlines operators though it was ok to flirt so closely with airspace advised against by ICAO. It is the operator's right and duty to request air traffic control to revise the flight path in unsafe conditions.

Fine Maylasia Airlines to the point of non-existence in my opinion. Safety should be priority over financial burden.

BF3PRO
There is still no proof they did it to save money... Although they don't seem smart enough over there to even care... I know here without the FAA the airlines would still not fly over there because they wouldn't be bailed out by us...

kaninja

Vlada011
Russia should be faced with complete sanction because no one can deal with that in modern world and to keep normal life.
OK for Russia is "normal life" completely different than for people in Europe, USA, Australia, even some part of Asia as Taiwan and South Korea live normal compare to Russian people. Than when everything gone from market if only one part is produced out of Russia they will touch what they want Soviet way of life. They want Soviet repression and McDonalds all Iphones in shop. They must choose. They will lived with things smuggled over black market from China probably and everybody who participate in such violation of economic embargo must be punished.
 

You can't punish countries for trading with countries that you don't like. If the U.S. wants to put sanctions and trade embargoes on Russia they certainly can. They can't force other countries to follow suit. Russia, China, India, and Brazil can do just fine without the U.S. and Europe. The U.S. needs to stop trying to police the world and realize isolation does not work.....Cold War mentality in this day and age is laughable.

kaninja

BF3PRO
Well I don't disagree but Brazil is a pretty crappy place... The problem that we have now is government here trying to punish citizens for doing business with Russians and Russian products.... The only reason Russia failed in the cold war isn't because if sanctions it's because their spending was not sustainable and capitalism won... Anyways the Russians as citizens should just stand up and fight back to get their Czars back... Isolation for Government because hthey isolate citizens and infringe on my property rights and by isolating any citizen only works in a Tyrants favor....

 
Yes, I pretty much agree....except for Brazil, what an amazing place and a wonderful people.
 
I don't think Russian citizens are too unhappy with Putin.....I mean as a whole.  Sure there are those that don't like him, but his popularity is near an all time high.  Russia is in the best financial state they have been in since before the fall of Communism.  There are jobs, and there is food and goods in the stores that people can actually afford to buy.  Russia has just annexed the Crimea, and National pride is soaring.  The Czars are from a bygone era and are never coming back.  That would be like saying the U.S. needs her King back.....lol, not happening.