kaninja

candle_86
Let's see if they could shoot down 50 B-52's each dropping 70 1'000 lbs bombs from 50,000 feet :D

Easily.

billythekid2014
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the walking dead / under the doom / suits / marvel agents of shield / arrow / the big bang / two and a half men/ and a few more
 

Nereus
rebels already shot down a couple of Ukrainian military aircraft

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o4kareg

Nereus
rebels already shot down a couple of Ukrainian military aircraft

They could shoot them down using mobile anti-aircraft weapons, they can be used within heghts up to 5-6 kms, it's the main height where military aircrafts work. But civil planes fly much more high and can't be shot down via mobile AAW.
And please note, I do not occuse anyone at the moment. The investigation should show who's responsible for that.
BTW, just for you to know - this is the inner view of "Buk" cabin. Ask yourself, could any rebel use it? Operators are being trained for YEARS. And a single launcher just couldn't blow the plane - there should be a whole complex of different types of special machines.
 

o4kareg
, the plane was shot above the territory controlled by Ukrainian army. After it was shot down it can't fall directly down, can it? Satellite photos show there were Ukrainian 'Buk' launchers around. Later, some photos show that one of four missles is missing. And our intelligence says shortly after the incident they moved away. 
Rebels or Russians hardly could shoot at the plane - no need, only problems. I think (I only THINK!) it was a provocation. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. But until that I'm sure the Ukrainian army did it.
As for 'ex-military' rebels - what do you think, could a special forces soldier launch the missle? Or infantry? There's a huge amount of military professions, and the only thing they could do - just drive the launcher, because most of our military vehicles have a lot in common. As for the launcher itself - be sure, there's no such qualified personnel.
 
Still, it's only my thoughts. Lots of weird things. Like you, I don't have enought data to be sure, but it would be a very dumb thing for us to blow the plane, as the whole world is angry with us.
But I really don't think Russians or rebels did it. 

rjohnson11

o4kareg
, the plane was shot above the territory controlled by Ukrainian army. After it was shot down it can't fall directly down, can it? Satellite photos show there were Ukrainian 'Buk' launchers around. Later, some photos show that one of four missles is missing. And our intelligence says shortly after the incident they moved away. 
Rebels or Russians hardly could shoot at the plane - no need, only problems. I think (I only THINK!) it was a provocation. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. But until that I'm sure the Ukrainian army did it.
As for 'ex-military' rebels - what do you think, could a special forces soldier launch the missle? Or infantry? There's a huge amount of military professions, and the only thing they could do - just drive the launcher, because most of our military vehicles have a lot in common. As for the launcher itself - be sure, there's no such qualified personnel.
 
Still, it's only my thoughts. Lots of weird things. Like you, I don't have enought data to be sure, but it would be a very dumb thing for us to blow the plane, as the whole world is angry with us.
But I really don't think Russians or rebels did it. 

Making up lies to cover up the truth. US military satellite and sensor imagery shows the truth and this info was provided to the President of the United States. The fact of the matter is that this civilian flight happened every week about the same time and the aircraft squawk shows it to be a civilian airliner. The Russian separatists rebels caused this. The trajectory of the missile combined with flight analysis shows the truth. Whether the rebels obtained the buk from Russia or stole it from a former Ukrainian military base is unimportant. They launched the missile and they are terrorists. The Russian military leaders claim a Ukrainian fighter jet was also in the area so that means Russia had the proper squawk frequency of the airliner along with its trajectory. What is not known is if Russia provided this very important info to the rebels or withheld it. I'm former military intelligence and you can't force Russian lies upon me nor the world. In addition it was well within Putin's powers to tell the rebels to allow unrestricted access to the crash site. he has not done so. That tells me Russia has something to hide...the truth. 

o4kareg
We are better than you think, and we don't drink vodka all day long :)

candle_86
 
because they are in open revolt agasint a government that was elected, may not have been a valid argument a few months ago, but it is now, and they are still fighting. Russia has promised to protect these people as russia considers them Russians. Lets face it you Russian's elected a KGB and Soviet Party member as your president, you elected a warmonger'r and your country is trying to draw NATO into a fight, which honestly is a mistake on yalls part, your military hardware is outdated by 20 years for the vast majority of it, your navy barely qualifies as blue water, and your air force is 1/10th the size of the US let alone NATO. Your best bet is to abandon the rebels so Ukraine can reclaim their country, if you keep poking you may not like the end result, when your cities are piles of rubble and you count your dead in the millions.

candle_86

kaninja

candle_86
 
because they are in open revolt agasint a government that was elected, may not have been a valid argument a few months ago, but it is now, and they are still fighting. Russia has promised to protect these people as russia considers them Russians. Lets face it you Russian's elected a KGB and Soviet Party member as your president, you elected a warmonger'r and your country is trying to draw NATO into a fight, which honestly is a mistake on yalls part, your military hardware is outdated by 20 years for the vast majority of it, your navy barely qualifies as blue water, and your air force is 1/10th the size of the US let alone NATO. Your best bet is to abandon the rebels so Ukraine can reclaim their country, if you keep poking you may not like the end result, when your cities are piles of rubble and you count your dead in the millions.

Russia isn't afraid of an impotent Nato.  All nato does is threaten, and impose sanctions.  Nobody is going to war with Russia because nobody, not the U.S., not Great Britain, Germany, France, Canada, Australia, etc. want to have to open up new body bag factories to deal with their dead.  Everyone for the past few hundred years has always thought Russia is an easy victory.  Even if you defeat them you lose.  
 
The Ukraine is not going to push the world into a hellish war with Russia.  Even U.S. strategists know what the end result of a war with Russia would be, and it far outweighs anything of benefit.  If Russian soldiers wore sweat pants and FUBU hoodies and ran around taking cell phone videos of themselves beheading people and taking pot shots at Abrams tanks in futility while planning their next mass bombing......then yeah, I would say go bomb them to the stone ages.  However that is not Russia.  
 
When thinking about a war with Russia, overestimate how terrible it will be to the very limits of your imagination......then you are almost there.

we don't need to invade Russia, bomb it, and hit it with cruise missile strikes, after we knock out their navy and air force. This isn't the 1600's anymore, we don't need boots on the ground to force Russia to surrender