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2014/07/17 03:29:48 (permalink)
I'm looking for a rifle that's capable of dropping a target at 750m+. Anyone have any recommendations? And it can't be something ridiculous like a .50BMG or 20mm cannon. I'm looking for something that is available to the public. And to add to that, if they do exist, is it possible to get one for around ~2k?

[Edit]: I was looking at .300 mag rifles but would like some input from you guys.
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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/17 03:42:21 (permalink)

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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/17 04:52:59 (permalink)
    I would go with a .338 Lapua. Thats the primary rifle the British snipers use and is fully cappable of 800+. I also got to mess around with 1 a bit while in Afghanistan working with the brits and its fairly light for what its capable of. If the purpose is for hunting I'm not entirely too sure what kind of damage it will do to the animal though.
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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/17 05:45:24 (permalink)
    I think the Remington 700 would be a good series to check out. It's probably the most commonly used long range platform in use in the US.

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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/17 12:59:13 (permalink)
    the shooter and proper adjustment to minute of angle will probably be more of a factor than the rifle/round.  300 win mag is just fine.  look at the ruger american rifles in the 308 win or 7mm. 
     
    again, the rifle will not be the limiting factor at range.
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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/17 15:29:28 (permalink)
    A good Remington 700 rifle in .308 will be good to ~1000 yards with match grade ammo. This rifle is one of the best I know of, but I can't recall the price. Pretty sure it's significantly over $2K though. There's nothing cheap about shooting at those kind of ranges though. Ammo alone will be over a dollar a round ;) 

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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/17 15:49:27 (permalink)
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    I think the Remington 700 would be a good series to check out. It's probably the most commonly used long range platform in use in the US.


    Just make sure you get a post recall model...
     
    If your up to it why not build yourself a .308 blackout or just build a .308 AR yourself?  I can help you out if you want!  Is this for precision?  Hunting?  Home defense?  Have you ever fired a 300 mag before?
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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/17 17:05:15 (permalink)
    700's are good, but they are more expensive to "accurize" than others. This is due to the fact that the barrel actually screws into and buts up against the receiver. There is no lock/jam nut, so there is more turning time on a lathe to get headspace and bolt play setup properly. However 750m should be doable with a factory rifle and some good ammo. Reloading ammo to your specific gun will do you well.
     
    I would say that you need to put 2k in the rifle alone before optics. Get a upper range Vortex, mid range Leupold, low end Zeiss. If you havent already learn about MOA or Mildot, preferably both and learn the conversion.
     
    I tend to prefer 7mm to 300, or 6mm in bullet caliber, but out of the right gun setup properly, either will do spectacular things.
     
    If you want to do a reasonable AR build that would get you there, I would pop together a 6.5 grendel/264 lbc. A good 24" with a medium weight barrel and a mega arms SBU Billet upper. Drop an AR Gold trigger in it with a PRS stock. MMM MMM MMM
     
    Ill tell you what my long range gun is. It used to be my 300 Ultra Mag then I swapped to my new one. It started as a Savage 114 American in 7mm Rem Mag. I borrowed some time at a buds machine shop and accurized the action on the lathe and put a medium weight shilen barrel on it that is 28" counting the "brake" I much prefer the wood stock to the Tacticool ones they sell on most rifles today, so mine has a leather cheek riser to meet my eye with the Leupold Scope.
     
    Total in the gun, $650 (original purchase price), time rented on lathe $100, Barrel $350, brake $150, cheek riser $35 Leupold scope $1200 and some bedding compound I already had on hand.
     
    Grand total $2485 and it is pretty easy to keep on steel at 1000m when you get a good rest on sandbags. You should be able to take 500 off a scope and have similar results.
     
    Of course keeping with the tradition of nothing totally factory, the ammo is custom load. Running Barnes 168gr LRX bullets with retumbo powder and Benchrest magnum primers.

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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/17 17:10:09 (permalink)
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    700's are good, but they are more expensive to "accurize" than others. This is due to the fact that the barrel actually screws into and buts up against the receiver. There is no lock/jam nut, so there is more turning time on a lathe to get headspace and bolt play setup properly. However 750m should be doable with a factory rifle and some good ammo. Reloading ammo to your specific gun will do you well.
     
    I would say that you need to put 2k in the rifle alone before optics. Get a upper range Vortex, mid range Leupold, low end Zeiss. If you havent already learn about MOA or Mildot, preferably both and learn the conversion.
     
    I tend to prefer 7mm to 300, or 6mm in bullet caliber, but out of the right gun setup properly, either will do spectacular things.
     
    If you want to do a reasonable AR build that would get you there, I would pop together a 6.5 grendel/264 lbc. A good 24" with a medium weight barrel and a mega arms SBU Billet upper. Drop an AR Gold trigger in it with a PRS stock. MMM MMM MMM
     
    Ill tell you what my long range gun is. It used to be my 300 Ultra Mag then I swapped to my new one. It started as a Savage 114 American in 7mm Rem Mag. I borrowed some time at a buds machine shop and accurized the action on the lathe and put a medium weight shilen barrel on it that is 28" counting the "brake" I much prefer the wood stock to the Tacticool ones they sell on most rifles today, so mine has a leather cheek riser to meet my eye with the Leupold Scope.
     
    Total in the gun, $650 (original purchase price), time rented on lathe $100, Barrel $350, brake $150, cheek riser $35 Leupold scope $1200 and some bedding compound I already had on hand.
     
    Grand total $2485 and it is pretty easy to keep on steel at 1000m when you get a good rest on sandbags. You should be able to take 500 off a scope and have similar results.
     
    Of course keeping with the tradition of nothing totally factory, the ammo is custom load. Running Barnes 168gr LRX bullets with retumbo powder and Benchrest magnum primers.


    I don't know I really like Spikes Tactical Lowers and BCM Uppers...  I personally go for a forged system rather than billet...  If you do decide to build it make sure you get MIL-Spec and not the commercial spec crap....  Is this your first rifle?  Would you be interested in an AR?  What will your primary purpose of the rifle be?

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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/17 17:11:33 (permalink)
    Guys, I'm doing this for precision shooting. I live out in the desert so I'll be laying on the top of a mountain shooting at targets at 250-750m. I want to learn how to precision shoot, and I'm already really good with our old .22 that we have. I'm looking to step it up. I'm also not worried about ammo price, that's what my second job is for :P.

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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/17 22:10:20 (permalink)
    Okay well if you need help again you can pm me for my opinions don't want to start a debate on here everyone has a differing opinion on weapons.

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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/18 00:12:39 (permalink)
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    Okay well if you need help again you can pm me for my opinions don't want to start a debate on here everyone has a differing opinion on weapons.


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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/18 18:03:37 (permalink)
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    I don't know I really like Spikes Tactical Lowers and BCM Uppers...  I personally go for a forged system rather than billet...  If you do decide to build it make sure you get MIL-Spec and not the commercial spec crap....  Is this your first rifle?  Would you be interested in an AR?  What will your primary purpose of the rifle be?


    I have nothing against spikes or BCM, never used the latter, but I have used spikes stuff often.
     
    The reasons that I stated to start with the Mega Arms SBU is that it already has the ejection port enlarged for beowulf or grendel. No need to mill it out later and its also a slick side which I love. It was designed from the ground up between AA and Mega to be a precision upper, its barrel extension location is actually smaller than a barrel extension by fraction of an inch. Nine times out of 10 you have to heat the upper and freeze the barrel to put the together. Zero play between those two when the temps equalize. Out of curiosity, have you seen the thickness on this thing? Here is a link.
     
    http://megaarms.com/ar-15/upper-receivers/billet-uppers/sbu-billet-upper-wo-ch-slot/
     
    Plus one on the staying milspec vs commercial. The one place that I would say stay away from milspec is trigger. Unless you wanna clean up the mating surfaces by stoning it, you will find yourself replacing it after a few rounds of slinging lead long distance.
     
    Feel free to shoot me a PM as well, if you are interested. Ill share what I know about long range and the links to information that can get you started if you haven't already found them. I tend to be pretty objective with firearms, I wont try to turn anyone from something just because I prefer another manufacturer. I would rather provide the information needed to make an informed decision and let them take the plunge any direction they prefer.
     
     

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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/18 18:52:38 (permalink)
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    I don't know I really like Spikes Tactical Lowers and BCM Uppers...  I personally go for a forged system rather than billet...  If you do decide to build it make sure you get MIL-Spec and not the commercial spec crap....  Is this your first rifle?  Would you be interested in an AR?  What will your primary purpose of the rifle be?


    I have nothing against spikes or BCM, never used the latter, but I have used spikes stuff often.
     
    The reasons that I stated to start with the Mega Arms SBU is that it already has the ejection port enlarged for beowulf or grendel. No need to mill it out later and its also a slick side which I love. It was designed from the ground up between AA and Mega to be a precision upper, its barrel extension location is actually smaller than a barrel extension by fraction of an inch. Nine times out of 10 you have to heat the upper and freeze the barrel to put the together. Zero play between those two when the temps equalize. Out of curiosity, have you seen the thickness on this thing? Here is a link.
     
    http://megaarms.com/ar-15/upper-receivers/billet-uppers/sbu-billet-upper-wo-ch-slot/
     
    Plus one on the staying milspec vs commercial. The one place that I would say stay away from milspec is trigger. Unless you wanna clean up the mating surfaces by stoning it, you will find yourself replacing it after a few rounds of slinging lead long distance.
     
    Feel free to shoot me a PM as well, if you are interested. Ill share what I know about long range and the links to information that can get you started if you haven't already found them. I tend to be pretty objective with firearms, I wont try to turn anyone from something just because I prefer another manufacturer. I would rather provide the information needed to make an informed decision and let them take the plunge any direction they prefer.
     
     


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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/18 19:11:07 (permalink)
    I assume just target shooting and maybe light hunting?

    I'll let the guys who have a lot of experience take this question, but as far as caliber goes... .50 BMG, while cool, is dumb for this purpose IMO. I know you weren't considering it but I agree there, way too expensive and overkill for what you want. Personally if it was me, I'd be looking at .338 Lapua Magnum. :)

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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/19 09:51:05 (permalink)
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    I assume just target shooting and maybe light hunting?

    I'll let the guys who have a lot of experience take this question, but as far as caliber goes... .50 BMG, while cool, is dumb for this purpose IMO. I know you weren't considering it but I agree there, way too expensive and overkill for what you want. Personally if it was me, I'd be looking at .338 Lapua Magnum. :)



    I think if I was looking into the BMG, .338 lapua, 416 Barret range I would be leaning to a 408 Cheytac. Its ballistic coefficient is freaking nuts. I have kicked myself for a year now that I didn't get one I saw on gun broker. Believe it or not it was a semi-auto .408 Cheytac. Looked crazy beefy. For a first long range gun tho I would suggest something that is more availble in factory loaded performance ammo. 7mm Rem mag, even ulta mag versions of 7mm and 300 will be easier to find in store than .338 or BMG, and especially easier than cheytac. If you plan to reload then this is of no consequence.
     
    If outright speed and thus minimal drop is your aim, then a Larreroni in 7.21 firebird would be an epic choice. Almost 4000fps from a .284 bullet. These however are well out of the $2000 price range and you can bet that your barrel life will be significantly shorter than a 7mm rem mag or even an ultra mag.
     
    One thing I forgot to mention earlier. Unless you are getting one with brake or boss on the end, get a good clean target crown on the end of the barrrel. 11 degree is pretty common and will make a noticable but not huge difference at these ranges when compare to the rounded end most manufacturers put on them.

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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/19 23:09:15 (permalink)
     Shoot the gun your thinking of buying, at least a gun of the same the same caliber ...At a shooting range of course. "Wear hearing protection",,, then shoot it again the next day <<. Some gun ranges have an overhead canopy,that can lead to extensive hearing loss. Shooting such rifles in a more open areas will deaden the primers concussion >" Decibals" but that will not deaden any recoil. If you buy a rifle clean the barrel b\4 u ever shoot it, possibly again Period.. I would hope you've shot a pattern .. If New, then clean the barrel b\4 you ever shoot it & after every shot at least for a box of shells, Clean patches are a Heavens speak. "A Tac Driver is no less or no more." Sk
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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/20 19:14:23 (permalink)
    are you looking for a "bench rifle" or long carry and hunting rifle? I might have something you will want to look at.


     
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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/22 01:34:22 (permalink)
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     Shoot the gun your thinking of buying, at least a gun of the same the same caliber ...At a shooting range of course. "Wear hearing protection",,, then shoot it again the next day <<. Some gun ranges have an overhead canopy,that can lead to extensive hearing loss. Shooting such rifles in a more open areas will deaden the primers concussion >" Decibals" but that will not deaden any recoil. If you buy a rifle clean the barrel b\4 u ever shoot it, possibly again Period.. I would hope you've shot a pattern .. If New, then clean the barrel b\4 you ever shoot it & after every shot at least for a box of shells, Clean patches are a Heavens speak. "A Tac Driver is no less or no more." Sk


     
    I always wear hearing protection unless I'm shooting the .22 then I don't bother. And I do plan on shooting the gun I want to buy once I finally make a decision, which I really haven't because this has now because a afterthought due to some BS with my car accident case.

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    are you looking for a "bench rifle" or long carry and hunting rifle? I might have something you will want to look at.



    Pretty much a bench rifle. I will never be toting long distances and it will always be mounted on a rock, or dirt. 

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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/22 02:08:12 (permalink)
    my dad and I shot 1000yrd bench competitions with this custom built .308baer heavy barrel on a over built 300 win mag action and 100lbs of lead and 50lbs of mercury cartridges(the absorb recoil for follow up shots) it mounts on rails so we can re-zero every shot on the 2 -piece tri-pod. it's total over kill but @ 1000yrds 10inch ground are a bad day.  

     
    if something like this is what your looking for let me know I can help you find a builder. if you just want a factory gun 300win-mag to reach out that far or .338lapua. ruger and Mossberg make some nice stuff. the heavier the better if you not lugging it out hunting.
     

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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/22 02:29:48 (permalink)
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    my dad and I shot 1000yrd bench competitions with this custom built .308baer heavy barrel on a over built 300 win mag action and 100lbs of lead and 50lbs of mercury cartridges(the absorb recoil for follow up shots) it mounts on rails so we can re-zero every shot on the 2 -piece tri-pod. it's total over kill but @ 1000yrds 10inch ground are a bad day.  

     
    if something like this is what your looking for let me know I can help you find a builder. if you just want a factory gun 300win-mag to reach out that far or .338lapua. ruger and Mossberg make some nice stuff. the heavier the better if you not lugging it out hunting.
     


    No such thing as overkill, but I would like to just get a factory gun for now, and work on building one later. I actually thought of the. 338 as well but my uncle keeps saying I will never touch a target at 750m with it. I call bs and want to prove him wrong lol.

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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/22 03:11:45 (permalink)
    .338 reaches 1000yrd easy. 6.5 grendel does good in an AR platform also( mark larue did some mountain to mountain hunting with it). I have years of ballistics data if you want help with loads.

    Scope wise nightforce hands down if you have the money. If not millet lrs-1 is a cheap option.


     
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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/22 09:32:31 (permalink)
    If and when you do buy you should get it from grabagun.com. That place is the best, they even have payment plans if you don't want to spend a lot at one time.

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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/22 15:00:46 (permalink)
    Hate to say it but a bench rifle for 2k won't happen. Just a good stillen action is in excess of 1100.

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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/22 15:03:42 (permalink)
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    my dad and I shot 1000yrd bench competitions with this custom built .308baer heavy barrel on a over built 300 win mag action and 100lbs of lead and 50lbs of mercury cartridges(the absorb recoil for follow up shots) it mounts on rails so we can re-zero every shot on the 2 -piece tri-pod. it's total over kill but @ 1000yrds 10inch ground are a bad day.  

     
    if something like this is what your looking for let me know I can help you find a builder. if you just want a factory gun 300win-mag to reach out that far or .338lapua. ruger and Mossberg make some nice stuff. the heavier the better if you not lugging it out hunting.
     


    No such thing as overkill, but I would like to just get a factory gun for now, and work on building one later. I actually thought of the. 338 as well but my uncle keeps saying I will never touch a target at 750m with it. I call bs and want to prove him wrong lol.


    snag a 338 ultra and we will get you to 1200-1500

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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/22 23:25:06 (permalink)
    Hey i was at my local gun shop today and found a nice 300win mag for $1200ish. Has a nice break on a heavy barrel and custom stock. Also comes with 200+ rounds and only has a mag or 2 through it. Just add optic and go. Lanco tactical, google them and shoot nathan an email.


     
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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/23 00:13:57 (permalink)
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    Hey i was at my local gun shop today and found a nice 300win mag for $1200ish. Has a nice break on a heavy barrel and custom stock. Also comes with 200+ rounds and only has a mag or 2 through it. Just add optic and go. Lanco tactical, google them and shoot nathan an email.

    That's around the price I'm looking for, but I don't have the money right now, I'm waiting for my settlement to be done with my car accident.

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    Re: rifles capable of 750m shots? 2014/07/23 02:04:19 (permalink)
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    Hey i was at my local gun shop today and found a nice 300win mag for $1200ish. Has a nice break on a heavy barrel and custom stock. Also comes with 200+ rounds and only has a mag or 2 through it. Just add optic and go. Lanco tactical, google them and shoot nathan an email.

    That's around the price I'm looking for, but I don't have the money right now, I'm waiting for my settlement to be done with my car accident.


    10-4 when your ready shot me a pm or them an email and see if its still around.


     
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