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2014/04/21 11:45:05 (permalink)
This is a vent as well as a decision

My 295 broke down so I received a 480gtx which also broke down and I got another 480 gtx which broke down and I got another 480gtx and it broke down I got another 480gtx.....

Well this 480 also is now dead, and i do mean dead, am I supposed to rma this card again or just throw it in the trash and call it quits... The shipping charges is adding up for me and evga both as I live in hawaii..

Ive been almost ready to splurge buy a asus 770 but the bottom line is id be more then happy to have my 295 gtx back as I basically play only team fortress 2...

Seems that every 480 that evga sends me lasts for about 3 months before errors start eventually resulting in a faulty card...

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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/21 12:01:18 (permalink)
That HX1000...
You -are- splitting up the two connections to the videocards across BOTH 500w rails (not just one) right?
 
What are your room temps there in the islands bro?
A single GTX 480 is underpowered and greatly stressed at 2560x1440... one can imagine the FPS that TF2 is running at and the temps.
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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/21 12:14:19 (permalink)
I dont think tf2 pushes the 480 at all, temps is fine and card is not overclocked, I think the psu is splitting it like you mention but really shouldn't be a problem when it gets down to it...

The Gpus always start of small like crashes here and then and always slowly get worse throughout the months.. My current gpu is at the point that I can no longer get into windows on a full fresh reformat...

Bottom line is im pretty darn sure the failures is not on my end as this is not my only pc

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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/21 12:52:24 (permalink)
That sounds like exactly what happens when there's a problem on the 12v rail as maniac was suggesting. Most of the time running the power connectors off the same rail wouldn't be an issue unless a single rail carries insufficient amperage for the card on it's own. I would also suggest checking your 12v rail either in BIOS or with a multimeter. In the BIOS will provide an idle state reading, which may not be indicative of an issue under load. Basically you want the 12v rail between 11.4v and 12.6v, with little to no fluctuation. If it does a large fluctuation or fluctuates frequently, you're PSU is most likely your problem. 

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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/21 13:11:07 (permalink)
My psu has been tested time after time with no fluctuations through the bios and with a fluke multimeter under load....On top of that you can put a stronger 670 in my pc with no issues, put the 480 in and the pc wont even get to the desktop....

All my failed Gpus have been tested and tried on other pcs.....5 months is about the maximum life expectancy im getting from evga 480s

My thread is about quality control issues, im 100% sure my pc is not the culprit

Yes I'm not taking all the power from one rail, its using 2 rails and splitting it to the gpu

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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/21 18:51:46 (permalink)
Yes I know TF2 is not stressful... that means very high FPS and THAT is stressful on the card running 2560x1440.
 
As for the HX1000 it is (2)500w units in a box and compared to todays modern PSU's is very outdated.
Should it be 6+ years old--> it is certainly now putting out less wattage with way more noise...
PSU's are like car tires bro... the longer and harder they are used, the faster they go down hill.
 
480's are known to be tanks and many still run them. I have heard of no real quality issues.
 
The primary issue with such a high powered and HOT running card, is cycle stress.
Getting the card very hot, cooling down... over time this can cause solder failure (IE: the baking fix)
This issue can be much worse in high humidity
 
That the failures occur -repeatedly- in the exact same manner (as you have posted) really does point to a confg issue more than card quality. 
 
 
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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/21 18:55:58 (permalink)
I would recommend replacing the PSU, and if you want to, bake the card


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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/21 18:57:51 (permalink)
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I would recommend replacing the PSU, and if you want to, bake the card


+1 It's cooking time. 
 
If you're out of warranty that is.
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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/21 19:31:21 (permalink)
 
Getting a new PSU would be the best possible choice.

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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/22 01:42:45 (permalink)
This sounds something very similar here http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?p=567472
But this guy changed from the hx1000 to 750tx and all was gravy. Apparently the hx1000 was the worst of the bunch a couple of years ago.

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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/22 02:21:26 (permalink)
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My psu has been tested time after time with no fluctuations through the bios and with a fluke multimeter under load....On top of that you can put a stronger 670 in my pc with no issues, put the 480 in and the pc wont even get to the desktop....

All my failed Gpus have been tested and tried on other pcs.....5 months is about the maximum life expectancy im getting from evga 480s

My thread is about quality control issues, im 100% sure my pc is not the culprit

Yes I'm not taking all the power from one rail, its using 2 rails and splitting it to the gpu

What they are trying to say is that your corsair psu is 2 500 watt units bridged from back when you could get away with that and a 1000 watt psu was a big deal. What your probably having happen is your not pushing the psu past the 500 watts of the first unit, so its like running one 500 watt psu, which will def fail after being so old with cap wear etc... Even if you split the rails with the molex to 6 pin dongles, you may not see any difference if your rated amps on load isn't enough to engage the whole psu. Get a loaner psu from a friend, or take it to a shop and ask them to do a quick wire up of a newer quality unit and you might get a different result.

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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/22 10:10:42 (permalink)
What boggles me is the fact that im currently running a far less superior gpu with no problems at all.... I guess ill change the psu when i step up to a 770gtx and sell my 480gtx..

Even if my hx1000 might be losing power the problems still follow the faulty gpu in question.. I dont think my pc could be pre maturely wearing down these gpu's...?

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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/22 16:47:31 (permalink)
It is possible as over or undervolting significantly wears down on components, and usually the GPU's are the first to go


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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/22 22:09:25 (permalink)
I had issues with my 480( i thought) as well. I was also using a hx1000
 
Swapped to a 850 G2 and a new hard-drive( psu swapping fried my other hdd)
 
And it's running like it should. Maxing games out no artifacts or false shut downs etc.
 
I'd try a new psu man. It fixed my problems
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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/22 22:53:47 (permalink)
Load tested the psu and voltage is fine
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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/23 02:53:35 (permalink)
One thing you can do is contact EVGA Support via phone or email to have them check the testing results on your cards to see whether they are passing or failing.  If they are passing, it might be a sign that it's something else, such as the psu that many are suggesting.  If they are failing, then you can work with EVGA to see if there's another replacement option available or have them do extended testing on a replacement card.  Best to see what sort of information is available to help figure out what's going wrong.

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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/23 10:24:53 (permalink)
Thanks everybody for your replys and information, I will contact evga to find results on the bad card

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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/23 11:06:12 (permalink)
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Load tested the psu and voltage is fine


Voltage is not the only concern. Ripple is a major concern with older PSUs due to capacitor aging. You can't tell whether the ripple is good or bad without an oscilloscope.

Everyone is telling you to buy a new power supply. Why not do that? It is very unlikely that you have received that many defective cards. Something is causing them to fail. You have first hand statements from people who had the same PSU who are telling you to buy a new one.

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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/23 15:04:23 (permalink)
Because capacitor degradation is something that happens sure but bottom line is there are tons of 15+ year old psu's working just fine...

Sure i can afford a new psu easily enough but the problems with the refurbished gpu's FOLLOWS the gpu...

Basically 480s fail and i blame my psu but at the same time i can stick a asus 670 in my pc overclock the gpu and it works flawlessly for months with no breakdowns? So why would I change a psu that runs a 670 with zero breakdowns in order to run a obsolete 480...

The only case I see for myself is the psu is degrading the Gpus into premature failures but why not my 670?

After every 480 i returned I run another gpu just swap it out and my pc works with absolute zero crashes...


.....This post will be updated upon further testing as I will run the 670 under heavy loads.....(wont be the first time it's been done)

I still blame evga for quality control...

I dont take everyones recommendations for a new psu lightly but will not change it until I see my current gpu crash..

I brought myself to finally mail rma back the gpu because it really was about to go in the trash can...
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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/23 16:51:55 (permalink)
Ok...
Everyone tells you that PSU has caused the same problems with the same video card. And your cards keep breaking after a while. Don't you think it is extremely unlikely that all 480s are defective? Don't you think that a 480 is not the same thing as a 670? Obviously the 480 has different voltage regulator circuitry than the 670. Also, it consumes more power which would put more stress on its voltage regulator circuitry on a dodgy PSU. Why wait to break another video card before you finally decide to change the PSU?

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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/23 20:33:01 (permalink)
I was going to ignore this thread, but since it's on-going, i'll add abit of information i think could be of use.
Please don't mis-interpret this as critisizing or bashing or what not.  It's just information.
 
Way back in the mid to late 1990's i bought a used system with a keyboard that used the AT connector to connect to the mainboard. Over the span of afew months i had 3 mainboards crap out on me.  I got together with a friend with some disposable computer components and eventually we discovered through the process of elimination that there was something wrong with the keyboard and it was actually frying a chip on the mainboard that had to do with keeping system time.
 
That was just a keyboard.  Nothing else.  You could take it and connect it to any system, current at that time, and in a matter of weeks the mainboard would no longer work properly.
 
If you had a tire go flat on your car and got it replaced on warranty and it happened again 4 more times (by which point i'm sure the dealer would no longer be willing to replace your tire) would you eventually entertain the possiblility that there might be something wrong with the rim these tires were going on ?
 
A very good article  i found ages ago regarding Power Supplies.  Do be sure to look at that pictures..
http://www.hardwaresecret...eviews-Are-Wrong/410/3
 
All your PC components are connected to your power supply.
You've had what? (5) cards fail in your system.  There's also the possibility that components on your mainboard are going out of spec and toasting the gfx cards.
If it's not the mainboard, are you prepared to replace all your PC components should the power supply lose regulation and send a current and/or voltage surge that fries everything in your PC Case ?
 
A GTX 770/760 is 3 generations newer and more energy effiecient as a result,  so it's not actually a valid comparison as far as power usage and current draw.
 
And on a final note.
A 100-watt Marshall Guitar amplifier draws 375 watts of power at the wall.
Try listening close to someone playing one at full volume for more than a few minutes.
A GTX 480 under full load takes more power than that...
 
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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/23 20:51:40 (permalink)
In general, I replace my power supply after the warranty period has expired and save the old one as a spare.  It's always good to have a spare around anyway for troubleshooting purposes.
 
Jonny Guru gave a good review on that HX1000 of yours but said that there was some ripple on +12V2 on the high-output end (70mV).  As ty_ger07 mentioned you really need an oscilloscope to see it.  70mV isn't much, but that's when the power supply is new.  I know you mentioned there are some 15yr power supplies; at light load that's possible.  The best (metal caps) should make 10yr easily, but I would not trust the plastic cased electrolytic caps that long.
 
So, I'd stick with the other recommendations as well and get a new power supply.  Either that, or get an oscilloscope and you can prove everyone wrong.  :)
 
Here's the article on your power supply below.
http://www.jonnyguru.com/...p;op=Story&reid=89
 
Edit: Reading again, I see this supply is using polymer caps.  OK, so they're not all electrolytic.  But, it's not 100% polymer either.
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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/24 07:22:17 (permalink)
Is this slightly off topic?

You can make a very simple oscilloscope for very cheap, but its accuracy is hugely unknown. All you need to do is put the input voltage to one end of a high resistance multi-turn potentiometer, ground the other end, and tap out the middle to your sound card. By biasing the output to the sound card, the load on the source remains relatively unaffected but you can adjust the output voltage to the sound card low enough to keep it from frying. Then you record the sound and look at the waveform. Accuracy is very questionable though since you won't know how much your sound card hardware or software filters the input. It's best used for comparisons only.
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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/24 10:00:02 (permalink)
Ok guys im ordering a new psu and putting my corsair in my other pc, thanks again for all the comments, I will keep this updated with the replaced 480 and new psu...

Any recommended psu for 480-780gtx 920 4ghz?

Thinking a supernova 750


Oh ...something crucial i left out...this is a lifetime warranty card , this 4 cards was in a 4 year span
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Re: Evga cards keep breaking down 2014/04/24 21:15:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby EVGATech_BrittonT 2014/04/24 21:21:06
Whatever you do get, I would look for a review of it first that has the elements of a good review:
- Oscilloscope readings that show ripple at light and heavy loads
- Hot box testing that shows it can take the heat
- Are the caps all higher temp rated (105C) or the cheaper 85C caps
- Does the power supply meet efficiency ratings at the various loads
 
I also only look for power supplies that are modular (cleaner cabling) and a 5 year warranty or better.  I also tend to stay away from something that was "just released"; it's too new to tell if there's a problem with it.
 
Based on Jonny's review I ended up with the AX1200 as EVGA didn't have power supplies back when I needed an upgrade.  There are good and bad supplies occasionally from no matter who makes them so I'd look around a bit.  And remember that most people post to complain; not to say that something is working great.  (So one bad posting isn't a big deal; a trend of posts might be a bad sign.)

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