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2014/02/23 20:19:46 (permalink)
Hello,
 
I am looking for some advice from the community.  I have an X58 SLI 3 system running a 950 with 6 gigs of DDR3.  Several months back, I replaced my 560TI with a GTX 780 in an effort to extend the life of the system a year or more.  I did notice a bit of an increase in performance, but that notwithstanding the system has been showing it's age lately in games.  One of my friends who I built an X79 system for has a 670 and he's loading up faster than I am with a Gen2 i5.
 
I've read up as much as I can, but somewhere along the way I gathered that the bottleneck on my system's performance is the X58/950.  Is it time to trade up?
 
Thanks!
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    Re: X58 to Z87 Question 2014/02/23 22:16:48 (permalink)
    Do you have a SSD as the bootable drive (does your friend?).  How much ram does your friend's X79 system have?  Both these things increase speed.  I just upgraded a X58 4GHz CPU, 12GB ram with an SSD to a Z87 4.2GHZ CPU, 16GB ram with a SSD.  The increase in speed is about 25% overall but boot up times are only double from 20sec to 10sec between the two systems.  If you only had a HDD, boot up times may take a minute or two, which would alter your perception of speed.

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    Re: X58 to Z87 Question 2014/02/24 03:10:05 (permalink)
    For gaming and basic apps you can still stick with your X58 if you wish to do so but try an SSD upgrade, if you haven't done so, for your system drive. Keep your mechanical hard drive for storage and apps.

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    Re: X58 to Z87 Question 2014/04/22 21:46:58 (permalink)
    Hello.
    I apologize for the lengthy delay in response.  Life intervened.
     
    I am back on the hunt for the next move...  To answer you both who were kind of enough to reply... I do not have a SSD.  I have been mulling that decision for some time.  I figure that if I am going to take the plunge and get a new MB/CPU, a SSD will be part of the package.
     
    Right now, I'm considering the Z87 Stinger with a 4670K and 4 gigs of RAM.  Suggestions are welcome -- I've seen some concerning posts on the forums regarding the Stinger (Amazon seems to be having a decent deal on them).  What Brand/size of SSD and RAM?
     
    I don't really consider myself an enthusiast.  I do play games -- a lot, but I don't have a ton of overclocking experience with the latest series of chips.  My plan is for the GTX 780 (hopefully) to finally get to unleash its power in a PCI Express 3 slot.
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    Re: X58 to Z87 Question 2014/04/23 03:42:15 (permalink)
    Rumor has it that that Z97 motherboards will be launching within the next month. 

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    Re: X58 to Z87 Question 2014/04/23 07:36:06 (permalink)
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    Hello.
    I apologize for the lengthy delay in response.  Life intervened.
     
    I am back on the hunt for the next move...  To answer you both who were kind of enough to reply... I do not have a SSD.  I have been mulling that decision for some time.  I figure that if I am going to take the plunge and get a new MB/CPU, a SSD will be part of the package.
     
    Right now, I'm considering the Z87 Stinger with a 4670K and 4 gigs of RAM.  Suggestions are welcome -- I've seen some concerning posts on the forums regarding the Stinger (Amazon seems to be having a decent deal on them).  What Brand/size of SSD and RAM?
     
    I don't really consider myself an enthusiast.  I do play games -- a lot, but I don't have a ton of overclocking experience with the latest series of chips.  My plan is for the GTX 780 (hopefully) to finally get to unleash its power in a PCI Express 3 slot.


     
    Are you sure you want a micro mobo. You will be limited to just 1x PCI-E slot and only 2 DIMM slots. You can get a really nice ATX Mobo for under $180 from other mfgs.
     
    Be sure to look at all the features they offer too.
     
    MSI Z87-G45 Gaming ($134 after rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Pro...x?Item=N82E16813130693
     
    ASRock Z87 Extreme6 ($135 after rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157371
     
    ASUS Z87-PRO ($167 after rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131979
     
    GIGABYTE G1.Sniper Z87 ($168) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128671
     
     
    I would recommend at least 8GB of RAM for any gaming rig.


     
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    Re: X58 to Z87 Question 2014/04/23 09:22:39 (permalink)
    What are you running your CPU at? I just upgraded from an x58 classified, x5650 @ 4ghz and 6gb ram. Yes the z87 setup is faster, but not omg faster. X58 is still a great system. I originally was just using a 7200rpm HDD until I fried it switching psu's and then got an SSD. HDD seemed "fast enough"... I am only running a gtx 680 too. Biggest difference I have seen between both systems is I don't get as many stutters while playing Alice: Madness Returns with physx on high. Older game but just started playing it. Other games I really haven't seen a huge difference and same with benchmarks, although I get a lower CPU score in 3dmark only as I went from 6 cores HT to 4 cores no HT (4670k)

    Long story short what are your specs lol.
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    Re: X58 to Z87 Question 2014/05/03 13:49:54 (permalink)
    Thanks to everyone for the replies.
    I'm not sitting in front of my PC at the moment but in my OP, I mentioned I am running an x58 sli3 board with a 950, 6 gb of ram, gtx780 and three wd blacks.

    Much of what has been already stated has not been lost on me. If I don't do a complete overhaul, the SSD as my main seems like a good option. Any recommendations on brand/size? Or is it just a factor related to how much I want to spend? Part of what brought me to this dilemma was browsing another forum that spoke rather unkindly about the SATA controllers on the x58 board.

    SLI hasn't really caught my attention. I bought the 780 with the desire to not have to go the SLI route. My intent was to have one solid gpu. The z87 fits that niche, doesn't it? I play games like Rome 2 which renders constantly. I would love for nothing more than to watch tens of thousands of pixel troops marching to war rather than the few thousand that doesn't choke my frame-rate. So should I consider the FTW. Should I reconsider SLI?

    As for overclocking... Let's just say that I haven't had much luck stepping it up to a stable platform with my 950. And blue screening mid-game never excites anyone. So, I have become a bit more conservative sticking closer to stock values.

    As for the Z97's? They are looking really clean. My question there is in considering the new chipset, what about the processor. Up until now, the 4670k was the solid choice. Notwithstanding my prior experience, I am willing to take another run at overclocking. So, shouldn't I spring for the hyperthreading on the 4770k if opting for a z97? Presumably, hyperthreading will catch on with game developers. But, most forum posts have been speculating on that for years now...
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    Re: X58 to Z87 Question 2014/05/04 18:31:49 (permalink)
    SSD is by far the most economical way to improve over all system performance.  As far as the X58 goes... there is a reason why I am buying up as many X58 classy boards as I can.  With a good chip and a mild OC the X58 platform will be more than suitable for gaming for a few years to come and for the following reasons:
     
    1. Games and software in general is still behind the hardware curve and will be for several years.

    2. Gaming at 1080P is still the main stream and will be for a few years.  This is relevant because most single GPU cards since the GTX480 are capable of driving this rez with DX11 perfectly fine and the newer generation GPUs have yet to saturate PCIe 2.0 X16

    3. USB/SATA 3.0 are on a few X58's (the EVGA Classified 3 is one) but if completely necessary you can get this through an add in card and they are even bootable from X58 boards.
     
    4.  Hardware prices are falling for X58 gen tech (minus RAM which went way up for everything) so upgrades within the X58 in terms of CPUs and possibly mobos are at great price points (although good mobos are hard to find).
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    Re: X58 to Z87 Question 2014/05/12 19:51:28 (permalink)
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    Hello,
     
    I am looking for some advice from the community.  I have an X58 SLI 3 system running a 950 with 6 gigs of DDR3.  Several months back, I replaced my 560TI with a GTX 780 in an effort to extend the life of the system a year or more.  I did notice a bit of an increase in performance, but that notwithstanding the system has been showing it's age lately in games.  One of my friends who I built an X79 system for has a 670 and he's loading up faster than I am with a Gen2 i5.
     
    I've read up as much as I can, but somewhere along the way I gathered that the bottleneck on my system's performance is the X58/950.  Is it time to trade up?
     
    Thanks!




    I would stay X58 and buy one of these
     
    http://www.amazon.com/Int...8-1&keywords=X5650
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    Re: X58 to Z87 Question 2014/05/12 21:14:13 (permalink)
    A Xeon?  Really?  I'm not being sarcastic.  I'm really asking.
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    Re: X58 to Z87 Question 2014/05/13 05:28:32 (permalink)
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    A Xeon?  Really?  I'm not being sarcastic.  I'm really asking.




     
    Yes. An overclocked 6 core Xeon > 4770K 
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    Re: X58 to Z87 Question 2014/05/13 19:42:45 (permalink)
    Keep in mind that not all apps/games will use all 6Cores/12Threads, just keep that in mind, but most of the time the Xeon will be better for you


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    Re: X58 to Z87 Question 2014/05/13 19:52:58 (permalink)
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    Keep in mind that not all "Older" apps/games will use all 6Cores/12Threads, just keep that in mind, but most of the time the Xeon will be better for you




     
    fixed for you gomez. When Haswell came out i went from a 4.4Ghz Bloomfield quad to a 4770K. When i ran the benchmarks Haswell was faster but that 75 dollar Xeon was right on its heels 
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    Re: X58 to Z87 Question 2014/05/13 19:57:19 (permalink)
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    Keep in mind that not all "Older" apps/games will use all 6Cores/12Threads, just keep that in mind, but most of the time the Xeon will be better for you




     
    fixed for you gomez. When Haswell came out i went from a 4.4Ghz Bloomfield quad to a 4770K. When i ran the benchmarks Haswell was faster but that 75 dollar Xeon was right on its heels 


    I know of quite a few newer games that don't utilize the full 6Core/12Thread that some CPUs have to offer


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    Re: X58 to Z87 Question 2014/05/17 08:18:16 (permalink)
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