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PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series


 
So the page has been updated and we have less than a week to go until the start. Feel free to ask any questions here in this thread or on this page: Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge


 

 
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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/14 07:30:11 (permalink)
    I'm so relieved we are back to short events for PG. Definitely in!  I was checking the event page daily looking for an update so I could make a thread here, but I guess I didn't get up early enough today.

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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/14 07:39:37 (permalink)
    LOL
    I started to be all over it when I realized it was only a week away. Short event with short Wu's. Perfect!!


     

     
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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/14 14:13:03 (permalink)
    The folks at PG must've seen yodap testing the tasks for the contest and want to keep us on our toes!  
     
     
    Sometime during Thursday, April 17th (UTC) we are going to install the new FMA3 (aka AVX2) version of LLR on the PPS project, in preparation for the Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge that starts on Sunday.

    Especially on Intel Haswell CPUs, but to some extent also on Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge CPUs, this new app is significantly faster. It also consumes more power, and generates more heat. Please make sure your computer is up to running the new app.
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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/14 15:03:14 (permalink)
    I'm on yodap's six.
    Taking a look at prime grid now^^


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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/14 15:09:34 (permalink)
    Did anyone say short wu's ????
    Just picked up an old friend called Sierpinsky...... 80hrs short....
     
    Hey yodap, all cool^^ JK
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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/14 17:41:49 (permalink)
    Well I'm going to have to run some testing on the new FMA3 work units Friday before the contest, over the
    weekend I ran the Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge work units on my 4P's just to make sure, My 4P's normally
    use 580 to 600 watts while Folding Big Avg,  While running the Contest work units over the weekend they were
    using 720 to 725 watts. I only have Corsair ax850's PSU's. Now they are saying the new FMA3 work unit will take
    even more power.
     Wonder how much more power, wonder if I'll be running to Fry's Saturday morning for Power Supplies.


     
     

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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/14 19:59:41 (permalink)
    wow, is it just me or are these really heating up the computer? I think i am gonna have to figure out some additional cooling if i'm gonna be able to run these without burning up the computer :(


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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/14 20:15:46 (permalink)
    427jmf
    Well I'm going to have to run some testing on the new FMA3 work units Friday before the contest, over the
    weekend I ran the Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge work units on my 4P's just to make sure, My 4P's normally
    use 580 to 600 watts while Folding Big Avg,  While running the Contest work units over the weekend they were
    using 720 to 725 watts. I only have Corsair ax850's PSU's. Now they are saying the new FMA3 work unit will take
    even more power.
     Wonder how much more power, wonder if I'll be running to Fry's Saturday morning for Power Supplies.




    Yeah more testing is in order. jmf are those 48 cores? You could set them to 75% or less if you need to, but that's no fun.
     


     

     
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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/14 20:58:42 (permalink)
    Yes 48 cores. It's not really the heat but the power draw.
     I hope the extra power draws are only on the Intel CPU's, wait I'll have a few of them in the contest too.


     
     

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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/15 04:50:14 (permalink)
    Okay so I tested these a month ago without issue, and last night I get a blue screen. 2600k@ 4.4. Temps were okay in the mid 50's at the time. I'm going to try for a solid 4.0 and go with it. And I don't think these are the new work units although they were just installed on 4-6-14.


     

     
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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/15 06:13:21 (permalink)
    Running PPS LLR's right now. 1:18 estimated run time on all.
    CPU steady at 63-64c 
     i7 3970x @3,5 GHz, HT on.
    Hyper threading was an issue running the Sierpinsky, any thoughts about this one?
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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/15 20:31:19 (permalink)
    I ran about a day's worth yesterday....  3770k @ 4.4ghz, topped out at about 60C, but someone closed the door to my cave and it got pretty warm outside to begin with....  Open the door and it hovered around 57C, on all 8 threads....  My estimates where between 1:30 and 1:45 if I remember right, and the few I watched were on track to finish in about 45 minutes....
     
    Orange, I would assume any performance gains by reducing the threads used on these would be very minimal given the short run times.  But I could be wrong.  I never heard/read about reducing cores and threads for such a big increase until that last challenge....  If I remember right, the improvements were due to the amount of memory on the cpu each task required.  PPS are smaller primes and should require less memory than the PSP primes, so I wouldn't predict much of an increase, especially on newer cpu's, other than maybe improvements from less heat....
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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/15 22:59:38 (permalink)
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    Orange, I would assume any performance gains by reducing the threads used on these would be very minimal given the short run times.  But I could be wrong.  I never heard/read about reducing cores and threads for such a big increase until that last challenge....  If I remember right, the improvements were due to the amount of memory on the cpu each task required.  PPS are smaller primes and should require less memory than the PSP primes, so I wouldn't predict much of an increase, especially on newer cpu's, other than maybe improvements from less heat....



    Yes, I has the same thought. By cutting off HT, and with 1:18 estimates, I should see estimates lower than half. It would be so unlikely that I didn't even bother to try.
     
    Have had them going over night now, all run great at prox 60c.
    Since this rig also carry GPU's, I narrowed GPUGRID to send GPU tasks only, curious on how they worked together.
    The LLR's run together with GPUGRID tasks like a charm. However, I'm anxious if GPUGRID has enough gpu tasks to feed. They was out of longruns at one time, so I had to open for shortruns as well.
    Although it was chewing longruns this morning, so I guess it got a load during night.
    I will watch the log carefully when I get home from work.
     
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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/16 03:25:56 (permalink)
    Sounds like my i5-3570k should be ideal for this since it does not have any HT to start with. I ran one WU when I signed up for Prime Grid to get ready for this challenge but its been long enough ago that I don't remember how long it took to run. I will finish off the tasks I have and load up a set of Prime Grid WU's and see how my i5 does for a comparison to you folks i7's.



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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/16 04:01:03 (permalink)
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    Sounds like my i5-3570k should be ideal for this since it does not have any HT to start with. I ran one WU when I signed up for Prime Grid to get ready for this challenge but its been long enough ago that I don't remember how long it took to run. I will finish off the tasks I have and load up a set of Prime Grid WU's and see how my i5 does for a comparison to you folks i7's.



    Your i5 will shine Khali. I have downed those LLR's on a variety of CPU's. Pentium, AMD 6100. Xeon's, i7 980 and i7 3970's.
    The fastest do those wu's in prox 1:15, and the slowest 1:50.
    So, I wouldn't be too surprised if you was somewhere in between
    HOWEVER, I came over a statement on the Shakespeare announcement page:
    "WU's will take ~15 minutes on fast/newer computers and 2+ hours on slower/older computers."
    BULL.........
    I wonder what CPU they used to finish one of those in 15mins, I'd want a couple....
     
     
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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/16 04:05:15 (permalink)
    I came across this while browsing other forums. While it does not directly relate to Prime Grid, I'm sure the applications work differently, it does show the difference of HT on or off while running Rosetta. Just a little fyi for those interested.
     
    http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=6419#76624



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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/16 06:32:56 (permalink)
    Khalifrio
    I came across this while browsing other forums. While it does not directly relate to Prime Grid, I'm sure the applications work differently, it does show the difference of HT on or off while running Rosetta. Just a little fyi for those interested.
     
    http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=6419#76624


    Right, many projects do run more efficiently with HT on.  However, the "prime" searching projects I've run like prime95 (Sob and GIMPS) and LLR (PrimeGrid's PSP and PSP project) seem to run just as efficiently but cooler with HT off.

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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/16 06:48:14 (permalink)
    I found that for Long Run LLRs HT OFF runs better and Stable so I set the Default to not run any of the Long Run Projects and set Home to Only Long Runs then on each Computer I set the PRIMGRID to the Default with HT ON and then to Home on the Computer with HT OFF to run only Long Run LLRs.
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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/16 08:48:13 (permalink)
    On my dual Xeon system (2.3GHz with AVX) I see power draw at 260W running WCG, 310W running PPS LLR with HT off, 350W with HT on.  With HT off they were completing in around 43 minutes, while with HT on they took around 76 minutes.  So, for this system, it is somewhat more productive points-wise with HT on, but very close performance/watt, so I might run with HT off to keep the heat down.


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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/16 09:18:29 (permalink)
    Yes and the new hotter and more power hungry PPS LLR units will be delivered tomorrow.


     

     
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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/16 09:26:59 (permalink)
    Another option is to keep HT on and limit the application to one task per physical core (not thread).  For example, I used an app_config.xml file with the following contents during the last PG contest to limit myself to 4 tasks even though I had 8 threads available.  
     
    <app_config>
        <app>
            <name>llrPSP</name>
            <max_concurrent>4</max_concurrent>
        </app>
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    I'll need to modify the <name> for the application used for the upcoming contest, but you get the idea.
     

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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/16 09:40:10 (permalink)
    yodap
    Yes and the new hotter and more power hungry PPS LLR units will be delivered tomorrow.

    and I'm very afraid of the power draw with that one...
    planetclown
    Another option is to keep HT on and limit the application to one task per physical core (not thread).  For example, I used an app_config.xml file with the following contents during the last PG contest to limit myself to 4 tasks even though I had 8 threads available.  

    Does that have a different effect than just limiting CPU usage to half the "processors" in BOINC manager?  Are you sure that BOINC manager is smart enough to use one thread per core in that configuration?  I would expect that it simply limits the number of tasks and relies on the OS to schedule them; the OS may or may not assign them to separate physical cores.  Not trusting software myself, I go to the BIOS and turn off HT.




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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/16 09:54:46 (permalink)
    Beginning to feel a bit late to the party, but due to lack of deep knowledge in this matter, I thought I'd see for myself my actual benefit.
    I fired up 12 wu's With HT on, together With two GPUGRID tasks. They finished at 56mins.
    Then I turned off HT, and fired up 6wu's.
    In both cases, one thread was used bye GPUGRID, so it was a race between 5 vs 11wu's.
    The slowest WU With HT off, was 36mins.
    The temp was a couple degrees higher With all cores running.
    So, this would serve as info to those who Wonder, then they can make up their own decission on what will serve them and their rig best.
    I'll leave HT on, and open my window wider lol.
     
    Edit.. Fantastic, I managed to post two screenies of same pic, well sorted out now
    HT Off:
               
     HT On:

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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/16 10:25:23 (permalink)
    my i7 seems to be taking the jobs in stride, tho i can't get the 4p to keep from overheating on them, I'm getting a couple more case fans to put on it this afternoon and will try again. but the question for you guys is if i split the load with something like MC do you think that would help my temps?


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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/16 10:40:01 (permalink)
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    Another option is to keep HT on and limit the application to one task per physical core (not thread).  For example, I used an app_config.xml file with the following contents during the last PG contest to limit myself to 4 tasks even though I had 8 threads available.  

    Does that have a different effect than just limiting CPU usage to half the "processors" in BOINC manager?  Are you sure that BOINC manager is smart enough to use one thread per core in that configuration?  I would expect that it simply limits the number of tasks and relies on the OS to schedule them; the OS may or may not assign them to separate physical cores.  Not trusting software myself, I go to the BIOS and turn off HT.




    You're right.  I should have mentioned using ProcessLasso to assign the PG executable to threads 0,2,4,6.  Making it way more complicated than it needs to be.  Easiest to reboot, turn off HT, fire up BOINC and move on with life .  The KISS method is usually the best.

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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/20 04:38:14 (permalink)
    I'm going with HT turned off on my Sandy's for this one also. My tests have shown a little over an hour for 8 tasks with HT on and a little over 50 minutes with it off. (25-26 minutes for 4)
    Ivy and Haswell may differ.
     
    Less than 5 hours to go.


     

     
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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/20 06:42:01 (permalink)
    Happy Easter Everybody!!
     
    Good luck to all with the Shakespeare Birthday Challenge!  Wish I could join, but I am going to be out of town during this time.  Happy Crunching!



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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/20 07:40:25 (permalink)
    Happy Easter to you uncle.


     

     
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    Re: PrimeGrid's 2014 Challenge Series Shakespeare's Birthday Challenge 2014/04/20 09:23:49 (permalink)
    The race is on!

     
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