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I have an OCz Vertex 3 and it keeps forgetting the master boot record. It also is no longer being seen by my BIOS. If I boot up, it has a 50% chance of working. Will work for anywhere between 10 minutes and 8 hours before windows stops responding and i need to restart. Ctrl + Alt + DEL does nothing. It seems to be forgetting the boot record while in windows. I would like to diagnose this but the only program I have for hard drive errors is GW Scan and im not sure if it works on SSDs. (Have not been able to run it yet. Been busy but will update later) Another idea I have had was that maybe my CMOS battery is just going bad. It has a small rust stain on it from god knows what. So I will replace that tonight and see if it becomes more stable.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
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Thanks for the link. I am not 100% sure if its the drive. I just want to diagnose it to be sure. It could very well be my Sata controller or something else on my motherboard. With the voltages ive been pumping through that thing over the years i would be surprised if it didnt have issues.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/03 06:15:02
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OCZ has a terrible record of unreliable SSDs - I wouldn't buy one.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
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HalloweenWeed OCZ has a terrible record of unreliable SSDs - I wouldn't buy one. It was on sale. I think I bought this 120GB version for $80.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/03 14:41:36
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I think my motherboard might be dying. Its an ASUS P6T. I am still going to replace the CMOS battery first, but the symptoms are congruent with mobo failure. IE sata ports not detecting the HDDs, RAM annoyances, and a few other small things ive fixed over time. I just wanted it to be the SSD so badly because thats still under warranty. Think it would be worth it to buy a new mobo used off of the forums? I am waiting to do a full rebuild until about summer 2014 since the new consoles will hopefully have pushed out the new hardware and lowered prices.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/03 15:48:05
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I had similar problems with the same brand of SSD drive... Solution was to update the SSD's firmware, and then reinstall the OS. No problems since then.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/03 15:48:21
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kidcrumb I think my motherboard might be dying. Its an ASUS P6T. I am still going to replace the CMOS battery first, but the symptoms are congruent with mobo failure. IE sata ports not detecting the HDDs, RAM annoyances, and a few other small things ive fixed over time. I just wanted it to be the SSD so badly because thats still under warranty. Think it would be worth it to buy a new mobo used off of the forums? I am waiting to do a full rebuild until about summer 2014 since the new consoles will hopefully have pushed out the new hardware and lowered prices. Are you talking X58 EVGA mobo? If so, be aware: EVGA X58 mobos don't S3 sleep properly, you can't do it. You have to settle for S1 sleep - W/fans running, CPU 15% minimum. Also, there are well documented threads of USB issues, both 2.0 and 3.0 - but I did not have them issues with my EVGA X58 SLI E758. And don't use BIOS 83. I picked up an Asus R3E off e-bay and it has been running flawlessly now for 1.7 years. They are awesome, and have UEFI BIOS - although I am skeptical of the usefulness of the UEFI over the legacy BIOS on that model. But technically speaking, you *SHOULD* be able to use >2GB boot partitions W/R3E, as opposed to EVGA models. FYI.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/03 16:08:55
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I didnt specify an exact brand. I dont care what it is as long as its ASUS, EVGA, or...well thats really it for me. As far as Nvidia chipsets are concerned. I am testing with a new battery. I dont expect different results but my last battery did have some stains on it from idk what. Rust or something crazy. I used HD Tune Pro on my SSD. Came up perfect during the test. So everything is fine. My mobo is just on the fritz.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/03 16:16:39
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kidcrumb I didnt specify an exact brand. I dont care what it is as long as its ASUS, EVGA, or...well thats really it for me. As far as Nvidia chipsets are concerned. None of these are "Nvidia chipsets". kidcrumb I am testing with a new battery. I dont expect different results but my last battery did have some stains on it from idk what. Rust or something crazy. I used HD Tune Pro on my SSD. Came up perfect during the test. So everything is fine. My mobo is just on the fritz. PSUs can cause all kinds of strange failures too, I personally have a CM that I need to RMA it did things like this to me. I even replaced my used P6T! RMA'd a WD HDD bc of failures detected by WD Lifeguard diag. Just like you. Unfortunately I disposed of the P6T before I figured out it was the PSU that was the prob. Srry, I only just now noticed that you have a CM PSU. FYI.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/03 17:39:17
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I dont really know why i said nvidia chipsets. lol. I was not thinking straight. I meant those are the only brands I would consider. Its possible that my PSU is causing some issues. It is a BETA model that ive had for a while. Is there anyway to test this? My BIOS shows that they are supplying the correct voltages on each Rail. I do have 6 HDDs though. Not sure how much power they use, but I cant see my rig even overclocked, pushing over 850w.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/03 18:40:31
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These are the joys of building your own PC. You have lots and lots of parts that can and will go bad. The first thing I would do with the SSD is unplug and reseat the cables. If necessary you could make a 'System Image' using Windows. Then Secure Erase the SSD and reflash the Firmware. Then restore your System Image. I do this regularly to restore performance to my array. Try different SATA cables. If this doesn't solve anything then it's on to Memtest86+ for a few hours. When my PC works I love it. It does anything I ask it to do because I built it that way. When something goes wrong I hate it for the same reason... I built it this way! lol Any part can fail at any time. Now is when the real fun starts! lol
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/03 18:51:45
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Zuhl3156 These are the joys of building your own PC. You have lots and lots of parts that can and will go bad. The first thing I would do with the SSD is unplug and reseat the cables. If necessary you could make a 'System Image' using Windows. Then Secure Erase the SSD and reflash the Firmware. Then restore your System Image. I do this regularly to restore performance to my array. Try different SATA cables. If this doesn't solve anything then it's on to Memtest86+ for a few hours. When my PC works I love it. It does anything I ask it to do because I built it that way. When something goes wrong I hate it for the same reason... I built it this way! lol Any part can fail at any time. Now is when the real fun starts! lol Im more of the "If it breaks Ill do the absolute minimum to fix it" kind of guy. lol. Unless its completely necessary, I will probably avoid what you just said at all costs. haha. Its great advice, but that just takes so much time.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/03 19:05:32
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I know what you mean. I have a very limited budget so I have to try and fix the problem without guessing. I had done everything to try and solve USB devices dropping out. I ran Memtest for 16 passes and went through the rest of the routine and still had problems. I decided to replace my motherboard and then my PSU just for good measure. I even got me a new case for everything. It looks really nice but I still had the problem. USB devices would give me 'drivers failed to load' warnings and errors in my Event Viewer. Major bummer! I eventually found out, after much yelling and cussing, that some Windows Services were set to Manual instead of Auto Start. My bad. To make things worse, I think I bent a pin in the CPU socket of a perfectly good Gigabyte P67A-UD4-B3 motherboard. So, unless you really just want to upgrade for the sake of upgrading then I really think you should just try some basic silly troubleshooting. On the other hand I am incredibly lazy so when this breaks again I will just replace everything. lol Good luck with everything.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/03 20:43:24
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There is no 100% certain way to test your PSU. There are more factors involved than just voltages. There is power "quality." Did you know you can have "dirty" electricity? When speaking of DC that's electricity that has spikes or AC bleed-through, or just not properly 'smoothed out' by the capacitors. There is no such thing as perfect power (except from batteries, and even then the voltage changes over time), it always has some little flaw, it's just a matter of how bad the flaw. Some of these flaws can only be measured with an oscilloscope (like the one in my avatar when I am online), and no matter because what the given mobo will allow before it affects performance also changes with each model, and perhaps each production as well.
So the only way to tell for sure is to try another PSU. GL.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/04 01:08:52
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Zuhl3156 These are the joys of building your own PC. You have lots and lots of parts that can and will go bad. The first thing I would do with the SSD is unplug and reseat the cables. If necessary you could make a 'System Image' using Windows. Then Secure Erase the SSD and reflash the Firmware. Then restore your System Image. I do this regularly to restore performance to my array. Try different SATA cables. If this doesn't solve anything then it's on to Memtest86+ for a few hours. When my PC works I love it. It does anything I ask it to do because I built it that way. When something goes wrong I hate it for the same reason... I built it this way! lol Any part can fail at any time. Now is when the real fun starts! lol I don't understand why you have to do any of that to maintain performance. z77 has trim in R0 so you really should not have degrading drives at all.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/04 16:56:38
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☢ OMG A FURRY ☢ I had similar problems with the same brand of SSD drive... Solution was to update the SSD's firmware, and then reinstall the OS. No problems since then. This ^ Seriously, every problem you've described fits the typical SandForce SSD controller bug where the SSD vanishes. Windows will continue to operate for awhile before hard locking, the BIOS won't see the drive, etc etc. This isn't a MBR problem, it's a typical SandForce problem that favors X58 motherboards in particular. Download OCZ's Toolbox software and update the firmware on your V3 SSD. In fact, before you do put the SSD on an Intel port, do NOT use the Marvel 6 Gb/s ports. You'll get better performance anyway even though the Intel ports are limited to 3 Gb/s. Even OCZ recommends doing this to prevent flashing problems.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/05 04:39:57
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HalloweenWeed OCZ has a terrible record of unreliable SSDs - I wouldn't buy one. I had 2 120G Vertex 2 and one failed after my 30 days return was over. My pc will not boot up with it plugged in. The other one has random slight freeze like every 5-15 minutes. I threw them both into the closet and didn't even bother to rma it. I think the warranty ran out anyways and I don't care either way, and yes there were times the SSD just vanished during boot up. I would have to reset the pc and then it'll see the Vertex 2 again. I have the Samsung 840 Pro and no issues with after 3 months. I wish the Vertex 2 could last that long....... I'll never buy another OCZ SSD again until they improve big time.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/05 19:59:48
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daddyd302 I had 2 120G Vertex 2 and one failed after my 30 days return was over. My pc will not boot up with it plugged in. The other one has random slight freeze like every 5-15 minutes. I threw them both into the closet and didn't even bother to rma it. I think the warranty ran out anyways and I don't care either way, and yes there were times the SSD just vanished during boot up. I would have to reset the pc and then it'll see the Vertex 2 again. I have the Samsung 840 Pro and no issues with after 3 months. I wish the Vertex 2 could last that long....... I'll never buy another OCZ SSD again until they improve big time. After seeing shi* like this over and over again on these forums for years, concerning OCZ, it makes me sick when I see Maximum PC give the OCZ Vector a 93% and "editor's choice" endorsement (the current issue). The prob is, they won't factor in historical failure rates. I was similarly disappointed in Consumer reports for the same reason: They do not rate most things for reliability nor durability. That is often my #1 concern when I purchase something, especially if it takes my entire week's paycheck (or more). That's all I need: something else to have to troubleshoot and fix, taking my time away from pleasure/leasure. That's why I wouldn't buy an OCZ product, even if it is 90% off. I don't want the hassle. I'll spend 90% more for something that I don't have to keep fixing.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/05 20:10:32
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I don't understand all of the OCZ bashing. My first SSD was an OCZ Agility 2 and it worked flawlessly for over 18 months as a boot drive in my old ASUS P5N-D setup. It is still going strong in my old laptop. I only had one out of seven OCZ drives fail on me. It was an Agility 3. After OCZ received the drive on a Wednesday afternoon it was tested and approved for replacement by Thursday morning. The replacement was shipped direct from the factory in Singapore via FedEx overnight express on Friday morning and arrived at my door on Saturday morning. This is one of the reasons I stay loyal to OCZ products.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/06 15:44:49
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Zuhl3156 I don't understand all of the OCZ bashing. OCZ had two problems going for them that combined to make them one of the most visible companies for SSD failure rates. The first thing, is that OCZ began using very cheap NAND in several value models. The Vertex 2 were excellent drives with good reliability ratings... right up until OCZ switched from 34nm NAND to 25nm NAND. Then people were having the drives die anywhere from from a week up to within six months. The same happened with the 25nm Agility 2's if I recall. Likewise, the Octane was reliable. But the Petrol value-brand version was not... even more users posted regarding failed drives starting from day one. Well over 1/3rd of verified Newegg purchasers that left a comment claimed to have one (often multiple, including replacements themselves) die on them. It got so bad that I made an excel list, removed duplicate comments, and only counted comments from verified purchases. The numbers I got for some models was over 40% had one or more SSDs die on them. The Newegg pages are still up there if anyone wants to analyze them, literally dozens upon dozens of models/sizes on record. The 25nm V2s and Petrols were the worst offenders. Of course this depends on model... The original Vertex and original Vertex 2, Octane, all had a great track record, and the Vector probably will too. But it just depends on which model people bought, or which flash NAND version since OCZ updated multiple drives during their lifetimes without changing the model number. OCZ has since learned from this, the new Vertex 3 with different NAND is now called the Vertex 3.20 for example. The second problem, is that in the middle of these failure rates the SandForce bugs happened. OCZ was the single largest seller of SandForce powered SSDs by then, so they were hit the worst by the innumerable number of problems SandForce SF-2281 drives suffered from. What this thread OP is describing fits the description to a T, for example. It's simple fact that OCZ shot themselves in the foot while cutting corners on value-oriented models, and got broadsided by the SandForce bugs at the same time. Personally I have used OCZ SSDs since the first OCZ Summit (what a terrible, terrible controller) to the Vector (very strong controller), and even use an old Vertex 3 in my main desktop. I have had personal experience with several SandForce bugs as well, and they are definitely not pleasant to have.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/06 16:01:57
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I had an issue with one of my Vertex-3 drives dropping out of my array. This is similar to what the OP is experiencing and it was resolved easily by performing a Secure Erase and reflashing the Firmware. I never had problems after that. I seriously don't know why the OP won't even try it.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/06 20:57:14
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The best thing to do is contact OCZ support as listed above.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/07 07:52:33
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Its not the drive though. Every test Ive conducted, firmware updated, and all the stuff and it still happens occasionally. The only thing that stopped it was replacing my CMOS battery because the old one had rust on it. (Probably from my watercooling days). I dont know why this would fix it. Doesnt make much sense to me. But im fine with it so far. haha.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/07 16:23:57
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But did you try changing the ports though? You'll want to use the Intel 3Gb/s ports. Even the latest firmware does not guarantee a fix, Anandtech's SSD editor made a post about that somewhere when he was discussing the Intel 520 launch.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/07 21:49:04
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A CMOS battery bad or good wouldn't have any effect on whether the BIOS sees the SSD though. This issue with the drive disappearing was a common issue with some of the OCZ drives. Wait and see however, if you wish.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/08 10:22:23
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NazcaC2 A CMOS battery bad or good wouldn't have any effect on whether the BIOS sees the SSD though. This issue with the drive disappearing was a common issue with some of the OCZ drives. Wait and see however, if you wish. I know. But if the battery dies while the computer is on, i could see it having some issues. It would only be fixed with a power cycle and complete cold boot. (Unplugged for a few hours) This weekend I plan on updating the firmware and performing some much needed maintenance that I have been putting off for a long time. Off topic slightly. Why arent CMOS batteries recharged by the PSU? I used to think this was the case until I learned better. But come on, a rechargeable battery makes sense. Turn the computer on once every 10 years to keep the battery charged for another 10. New Idea for you EVGA! (Patent Pending of course. I will require a few EVGA bucks or a free GPU to give up the rights to this idea) XD
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/08 12:23:00
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Yes, there are some issues when the battery dies. I've replaced several CMOS batteries for computers that have come in to our shop with the typical scenario not being able complete boot past POST. Your issue with the OCZ SSD not being recognized and workaround via a power cycle and complete cold boot were common to OCZ SSD owners. They identified too that the drive was see-able again after waiting a few hours before powering on again. This is the reason why I was pointing you towards OCZ's support, I saw the similarities. CMOS batteries aren't charged by the PSU because the lithium coin cell batteries aren't designed to be rechargeable. The lifespan of these batteries can span up to 10 years and are cheap to buy. The CMOS battery often outlasts the time of the computer in one's possession.
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Re:Best Diagnostic Tool for SSD? SSD forgetting boot record while in windows.
2013/04/08 14:00:44
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I'd keep a eye on it and make sure you back up. I had a similar issued that started BSODing with a F4 code just before it gave up.
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