Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/04 19:14:03
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Ha-hey, that's nicer looking...I can actually use the computer for other things now :D
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/06 10:44:56
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Quick question (hope it wasn't already asked), can I use other app's for monitoring ETA time completion..like FahMon??
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/06 11:39:34
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formula72 Quick question (hope it wasn't already asked), can I use other app's for monitoring ETA time completion..like FahMon?? Yes, just use the CPU/SMP/GPU0/GPU1/ect folders when you set it up. The only thing that doesn't work is HFM.NET's WU completed/failed totals.
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/06 13:44:23
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Tracker V2 Just started throwing a "unable to update status" message every 3 minutes. I cam back to the machine and it's been reporting for the last 2 hours. EOC has the update from 3pm so I am not sure what is not updating. The only change I made was to shut down Tracker completely and reboot the system before I had coppied the directory over to my C:/ drive. I wanted to see if mounting it on a sata 3 ssd would improve performance. I coppied the entire folder and built a new shortcut for the desktop so I would be sure to start the new folder app. It was still running but shortly after discovering the problem it Bsod'd and I just restarted and have resumed folding from the other HDD I originally set it up in. Any ideas on why it would report the error, and confirmation of SSD higher performance? I am wondering if I need to completely reinstall it in the new drive rather than copy it all there as i did the first time. THanks,
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/06 14:23:02
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Turbo_T Tracker V2 Just started throwing a "unable to update status" message every 3 minutes. I cam back to the machine and it's been reporting for the last 2 hours. EOC has the update from 3pm so I am not sure what is not updating. The only change I made was to shut down Tracker completely and reboot the system before I had coppied the directory over to my C:/ drive. I wanted to see if mounting it on a sata 3 ssd would improve performance. I coppied the entire folder and built a new shortcut for the desktop so I would be sure to start the new folder app. It was still running but shortly after discovering the problem it Bsod'd and I just restarted and have resumed folding from the other HDD I originally set it up in. Any ideas on why it would report the error, and confirmation of SSD higher performance? I am wondering if I need to completely reinstall it in the new drive rather than copy it all there as i did the first time. THanks, Folding on an SSD has no performance gain. Actually, because of the frequent writes it can shorten your SSD's lifespan. I recommend leaving it on the HDD. The error message you are getting is the Tracker failing to save the status.xml file. This file just shows the current status of the clients along with the most recent log entries. The Tracker doesn't get stats from the EOC site so the timing makes no difference.
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/06 16:10:46
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Ok I'll just revert to Ops normal on the HDD, and delete the files on the SSD. I was trying for a little performance increase but I need stability and don't want to kill the ssd as that is my OS drive.
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/12 21:29:43
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so if i have to fold gpu do i make the flag for dual hex cores to -23 or -11 ??
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/12 22:32:03
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You should use 22 cores since 23 causes problems. Core settings that are prime numbers > 7 have various problems. However, in your case you will probably get more PPD with 24 cores and no GPU folding. ATI cards are rather poor folders because they get low PPD and use lots of CPU.
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/14 17:32:12
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Hi, I have been trying to set this up on my sons AMD 1090T computer but the FahCore_a3.exe allways stop working after a short period of time. Here below is the detaied descriptin of the problem from Windows....any idea what could be the problem? (I just did a clean install of W7 earier today). Problem signature: Problem Event Name: APPCRASH Application Name: FahCore_a3.exe Application Version: 0.0.0.0 Application Timestamp: 4d4720af Fault Module Name: ntdll.dll Fault Module Version: 6.1.7600.16695 Fault Module Timestamp: 4cc7ab86 Exception Code: c0000005 Exception Offset: 0002e3be OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.768.3 Locale ID: 1039 Additional Information 1: 0a9e Additional Information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789 Additional Information 3: 0a9e Additional Information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/14 17:42:51
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snuddi Hi, I have been trying to set this up on my sons AMD 1090T computer but the FahCore_a3.exe allways stop working after a short period of time. Here below is the detaied descriptin of the problem from Windows....any idea what could be the problem? (I just did a clean install of W7 earier today). Problem signature: Problem Event Name: APPCRASH Application Name: FahCore_a3.exe Application Version: 0.0.0.0 Application Timestamp: 4d4720af Fault Module Name: ntdll.dll Fault Module Version: 6.1.7600.16695 Fault Module Timestamp: 4cc7ab86 Exception Code: c0000005 Exception Offset: 0002e3be OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.768.3 Locale ID: 1039 Additional Information 1: 0a9e Additional Information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789 Additional Information 3: 0a9e Additional Information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789 Nothing I can do about that. This is a problem with the FahCore and isn't part of the Tracker.
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/14 17:46:41
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Ok thanks, I will see if I can do something to get it to work. Would be a sin to leave this computer not folding while my son is away and a competition is on
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/14 19:20:25
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<snip> Fault Module Name: ntdll.dll <snip> That's a call to a kernel dll. So as to not take this thread off-topic, could you start a new thread with the same info, and include more system specs, including operating system, the paramaters used when folding, number of cores, whether it's overclocked etc?
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/19 19:08:55
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I just found this program... it works great- to make a long story short, my GTX 570 HD SSC is actually folding properly now - I was having trouble getting it "interested" in actually folding, even with the GPU3 client. My 570 HD SC is currently pulling around 16k PPD.... makes me wish I had a better PS so I could throw my previous GTX 275 CO-OP in to help out. :) No PPD for the SMP client yet...
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/19 22:24:24
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Hmm, I have a bit of a quirk; unless I'm not understanding. I have the tracker set to use only 25% of the GPU using Heat Control (Default and the 2 point values I have been assigned so far). However, using EVGA's Precision to monitor GPU usage it shows the GPU spiking from ~5% to 99% usage. If I turn off Heat Usage the GPU has a steady 98% usage rate. So the question is: Why is it fluctuating. The whole reason I want to use Heat Control is because, while using EVGA Precision, I notice that most of my games only tax the GPU for about 80% of it's capacity; with moderately high settings (shadows disabled). So that's about 20% of the GPU that 'could' be crunching numbers. Right now I'm sitting in Rift with a stable 30fps, which is what I get even with the Tracker disengaged. But it stutters on a timely basis; my guess is when the Tracker, for some reason, spikes to the 99% usage. -If anyone's wondering I was hoping to earn a little EVGAbucks to buy the 560 superclock and then dedicate my 260 superclock to folding
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/20 10:27:52
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I have the tracker set to use only 25% of the GPU using Heat Control (Default and the 2 point values I have been assigned so far). However, using EVGA's Precision to monitor GPU usage it shows the GPU spiking from ~5% to 99% usage.
If I turn off Heat Usage the GPU has a steady 98% usage rate. So the question is: Why is it fluctuating.
... When you set the folding client to use 25%, for example, what it actually does is load the GPU to 100%, but for only 25% of the time, which is why you see the fluctuations you do. Furthermore, be aware that some work units weren't desiged to work with heat control, and will ignore the heat control settings and use 99-100% of the GPU all the time. (I can't remember which work units those are).
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/20 12:14:28
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Davabled When you set the folding client to use 25%, for example, what it actually does is load the GPU to 100%, but for only 25% of the time, which is why you see the fluctuations you do. Furthermore, be aware that some work units weren't desiged to work with heat control, and will ignore the heat control settings and use 99-100% of the GPU all the time. (I can't remember which work units those are). Ah nuts, guess I'll have to settle for Folding when the computer's on but I'm not ON it; which is rare
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/20 16:39:34
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Davabled Furthermore, be aware that some work units weren't desiged to work with heat control, and will ignore the heat control settings and use 99-100% of the GPU all the time. (I can't remember which work units those are). The reason for this is the FahCore. Core 11 uses FAH_GPU_IDLE while core 15 ignores it completely. Any WUs that use core 11 will work with Heat Control, and any WUs using core 15 won't.
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/20 18:17:44
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Is there a way to have the tracker show TPF or est. completion time? Something cool to add might be a cpu/gpu temp to the upload. Being able to see temps would be cool to see remotely, especially with the f@hmonitor android app, or in the forum sigs.
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/20 18:36:01
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nick1551 Is there a way to have the tracker show TPF or est. completion time? Something cool to add might be a cpu/gpu temp to the upload. Being able to see temps would be cool to see remotely, especially with the f@hmonitor android app, or in the forum sigs. TPF and ETA are both already visible in the client status viewer. You can open it by clicking the client name. This is the viewer:
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/20 19:14:51
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Damn tracker noobs, lol thanks man.  Kudos to you on the sweet program. My one idea. Is it even possible to integrate a gpu-z or hwmonitor into the tracker? Then have it add a couple entries to the xml file.
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/27 16:25:32
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THANK YOU!!!!!! THANK YOU !!!!!!!! I never would be folding if it wasn't for this fine program making it so easy! Great work jedi and just reading thru the posts answered most of my ?'s, but I just hope I didnt break protocol here when i used Evga's team #. I just finished my first 2 units( hoping thats the right term) on my gpu's. At least i hope they got sent back lol Thanks again man it worked flawlessly on my 470's and they were still in sli but once i disable sli both card got the same ppd. worked in sli but gpu 1 on ab was cycling up and down in gpu usage and had about 3000 less ppd .
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/27 18:19:00
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There is no protocol for folding here. The more the marrier. Make sure you go to "member home" at the top, then go to my profile, and under the evga folding name put in your screen name/folding name (need to be the same). Then evga will track your points and if you break 150k in one month you get 5 evga bucks, and another 5 when you break 350k points in a month. The bucks can be redemmed if you purchase from the evga store. http://www.evga.com/folding/
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/30 01:38:57
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Since the V7 client has been released, I figure I should clarify my plans for the Tracker. First of all, the Tracker as-is will not support the V7 client because it is COMPLETELY different in terms of is interfaces with 3rd party software. That said, supporting the V7 client IS possible. However, due to the massive changes that it requires, it would require a near-complete rewrite of the Tracker. My plan as of now is to continue to support the current version of the Tracker with bugfixes/minor changes as long as the V6 clients are supported by Stanford. This does mean that there will be very few if any new features added though. Now to support the V7 client, I plan on doing a complete rewrite of the Tracker if there is enough interest from users. That said, below is a list of some ideas I have for the new version. 1. Client shutdowns between WUs no longer needed Thanks to the ability to reconfig the V7 client on-the-fly, the current -oneunit on all clients is not needed to ensure that the clients can be reconfigured between WUs. With V7 it's possible to reconfigure the client while it's running without even restarting it! 2. Per-client name/team/passkey options This option is again thanks to the simplicity of the V7 client. Since all options can be modified on-the-fly without restarting the client the Tracker can just directly apply settings per-client without any of the overhead of using -configonly clients to change client.cfg. 3. Built-in EOC stats feed This would just be a simple display like with HFM.NET. It would show your 24 hour PPD average, points today, points last 24 hours, ect. This data would also be exported in status.xml for live signatures. There would also be an option to get your EOCID automatically from your name/team combination, similar to the "Get EOCID" option in the current Tracker config. 4. Hardware monitoring This is mainly to allow for things like "shutdown GPU0 if temp > X," but I think many users would find it convienient to be able to monitor everything in one place. Hardware monitoring would of course have an enable/disable option if the user prefers to use some other software for this. Additionally, if Stanford makes it possible to control the FahCore idle time without client restarts it could be used for "Smart Heat Control." Using this you can set a maximum desired temp, and the Tracker will throttle the client as needed to prevent it from exceeding this temp. 5. Leave clients running on Tracker exit This option would allow you to close the Tracker to update it or simply conserve system resources, without exiting the FAH clients. This is again made possibly by the new interface provided by the V7 client. This isn't possible with the V6 clients because the Tracker needs to watch for client process exit events. This would of course be user-configurable, so users could retain the current behavior of the Tracker stopping all clients before exiting. This also leads me to the next feature: 6. Remote client control Pretty self explanatory, this option would allow you to control FAH clients on other computers remotely using the Tracker's interface. This is again made possible by the new interface in the V7 clients. You could also use a Tracker on any computer to control any client, there would be no predefined "master" Tracker that other instances have to connect to. Also, remote client control should be possible from a smartphone app. I am not a smartphone app developer, but I figured I would point out that this is a possibility with the V7 client. 7. Improved Gaming Pause Currently Gaming Pause uses a list of executables defined in Games.txt to detect running games. The downside of this method is that obscure and new games will not be detected in some cases. The plan would be to add DirectX/OpenGL detection as an option, in addition to the current Games.txt method. The user would have the option to pick which method is used. Additionally, the new V7 interface allows clients to be paused without exiting the client. With the V6 clients the only option was to exit the client and restart it. 8. Better initial setup process The new setup process would walk users through setting up a name/team/passkey, then list all the hardware in the system capable of running FAH. The user can simply select what they want to fold with, and the default settings that work with that configuration will be used. GPU detection would also be moved to OpenCL, in order to accurately detect both ATI and Nvidia cards. 9. Proper Installer This redesigned Tracker would also be available as an installer, in addition to the current portable exe. I have seen countless users set up the Tracker by running it straight out of the .zip archive without extracting it. This results in the Tracker setting itself up in a temporary folder that gets purged on reboot. This leaves the user wondering where it went, and is overall just confusing for less tech-savvy users. The installer version would solve this problem. Of course the Trracker would also be available as a standalone exe for those who prefer the portable setup. 10. Open Source If I do end up redesigning the Tracker to support V7 and include these features, I will release it as an open source project once the basic framework is complete. I have received several requests asking about the Tracker's source code. The main reasons I never made it open source were: 1. It was a way for me to learn programming, so I wanted to overcome challenges on my own. 2. A large portion of my code would be confusing to other developers not familiar with how the Tracker works as a whole But, since the Tracker has become widely used since its initial release a year ago, I think the FAH community would benefit if other developers could contribute to the project. Feel free to comment on this or suggest other things, since the redesign is still in the planning stages and it's easier to add new ideas at this point rather than once the design has been finalized.
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/30 02:43:18
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That sounds like it should be quite good ATM I am still using the console for my smp units because the tracker doesn't like the taskkill.bat file I run from coretemp when temps get a little to high but if it was able to be run entirely from the tracker would save running multiple clients. I have found your tracker great for GPU clients and friends who struggle to work out how to install things I can pre setup the tracker for them so they can just run it without issue. Remote reconfigurations would be a good feature aswell especially for when you pickup a dud WU and need to clear it and change machine number without messing with logmein etc.
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/30 03:12:45
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Excellent features! One thing that is vital for me is some way of linking core shutdown to windows shutdown. I will be installing 2x EVGA GTX 260SSC in a family computer today, and the main thing that is bugging me is that none of my family would know/remember to Exit / Stop Client on teh tracker before shutting down. Now I know when you initiate a shutdown, USUALLY, the tracker stops fine, etc etc especially on Win7, however, i'd have loved a feature whereby, as soon as you press shutdown, FAH Tracker stops clients & exits itself. I keep trying to find apps that would allow me to do this but to no avail :(
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/30 03:44:22
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Guess this would fall under the open source category. Have a color bar fill up the % complete box while its folding along with the number. (I sit away from the monitor and have to squint to see % complete, color bar would be visible from distance.) Don't know if this is possible, but to find the average PPD for WU's using certain gpu's (ie..570) and displaying average in another cell next to the PPD, so users have a ballpark figure of what a stock EVGA 570 should be folding for PPD.
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/30 06:16:16
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Colorbar isn't hard to implement. Average wu ppd is only possible if there is a centralized database which there isn't at the moment. If the tracker goes OS and a willing host would offer asp.net hosting that feature wouldn't be far off ( tied in with the hw detection so it can report clock speeds and whatever other interesting numbers ( utilization/temperature ? )). Jedi: 3. Look in the repository, there already is an eoc class which does what you want I think? 4. HW monitoring is also already in the repository, lacking a proper ui though and I'm still working on the universal interface ( which ties in hw detection with ocl/cuda/cal ).
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/30 06:44:05
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Yes, hope you are able to go forward with your ideas for a V7 Tracker.
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/30 08:15:41
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I am VERY interested in this. Especially remote control and the possibility of a smartphone app. Currently i have to use teamviewer. This looks awesome!
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Re:FAH GPU Tracker V2
2011/03/30 14:15:22
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This sounds like a great idea, jedi95!  I look forward to seeing Tracker for V7 implemented. Your Tracker program has made it simple to get new Folders started & using these ideas for a new version to go along with the new version from FAH will help as always.
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